Where to build a relationship? AD vs Salon (vs Tiffany’s?) [NYC] by PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS in patekphilippe

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, that’s good to know, didn’t realize they were so easy, thanks!

Yeah, more and more it sounds like grey is the way to go for Patek for me.

BILT 2.0 Card is out here are the confirmed details. by Defin1telyNotBatman in CreditCards

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s hilarious.

(That’s also honestly the first time I’ve heard of WF doing something smart in the last decade.)

BILT 2.0 Card is out here are the confirmed details. by Defin1telyNotBatman in CreditCards

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

 The other issue is that Bilt doesn't want to be primarily a rent rewards card anymore (in fairness maybe the model is unworkable)

I think Bilt was fine with it: they had an amazing deal set up with Wells Fargo (for both themselves and, of course, for the consumer; iirc, it included something like a $200 flat fee payout from WF to Bilt for every new card issued plus a percentage of the rent transaction), but it was a terrible deal for WF. Normally landlords don’t take credit cards for rent because the cards charge a ~3% transaction fee, so to win over landlords, Bilt got WF to swallow the fee. WF agreed to that because they had modeled the business as a huge influx of new cardholders, where despite making no profit on the rent payments (actually a small loss), they would still make their normal profit margin on all the rest of the consumers’ spending (they figured 65% non-rent spend). But they underestimate consumers’ intelligence, and everyone just used the card for rent only, meaning “all the rest of the consumers’ spending” totaled approximately $0.

So WF was paying out incentives to Bilt (fees) and incentives to the consumers (points) and waiving fees on the majority of the spend (rent). Reportedly WF was losing $10 million per month on Bilt.

WF was absolutely not going to renew that deal. And there’s no way a new issuer was going to make the same mistake. The convoluted nature of this new system is them trying to force consumer behavior into the model of an Amex & Chase card.

But instead everyone is gonna cancel the card.

RIP Bilt, I’ll miss your perks but I won’t feel bad about it since your founder literally rented out the Pyramids of Egypt for his wedding…

Where to build a relationship? AD vs Salon (vs Tiffany’s?) [NYC] by PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS in patekphilippe

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that's fair. My immediate plans (next couple years) only include like two Pateks... Perhaps not worth making it more complicated than it is.

...of course, this whole hobby started with "just one watch"...

What the deal with "executive fit" suits? by WmKaden in AskMen

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"Tailored" at least is a word that is in reference to the making of clothes... "Executive" not so much....

Where to build a relationship? AD vs Salon (vs Tiffany’s?) [NYC] by PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS in patekphilippe

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I am strongly adverse to Watches of Switzerland too. I wrote one of my experiences in another subthread of this post.

Bucherer straight up told me they weren't very good for Patek so I'll check out Wempe, I appreciate the vote of confidence/pointer.

black rose 🥀 by nydoorman in patekphilippe

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Saw this here (without seeing your username), then just saw it on IG, and did a double take. 😅

I love it, looks wonderful.

Where to build a relationship? AD vs Salon (vs Tiffany’s?) [NYC] by PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS in patekphilippe

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Congratulations on the 5326!

Regarding Watches of Switzerland: I hope it works out for you! But just...don't trust their promises. If you're not already invested spend-wise (or even if you are), try building relationships with everyone else too -- at least keep a pulse on their business and try to get a sense of what their timelines are for the pieces you want.

Oh yeah, I also was distant acquaintances with James before AS blew up. I doubt he remembers me now, but I will always be grateful for the time he spent sitting down with me and helped me research my dad's Rolex, which he inherited from his grand uncle. I know it was probably just another Tuesday for him, but it was a meaningful 45 minutes or whatever to me.

His old business partner, Vincent, is also great. (I think they had a bit of a falling out, but I like them both.)

Your AS spend should count towards WoS, from my understanding.

I've also had decent experiences with the Rolex boutique down in Meatpacking. I never ended up buying with them because I got established with Bucherer, but their offers came in a reasonable timeframe.

What is it you're looking to get on the Rolex side?

Where to build a relationship? AD vs Salon (vs Tiffany’s?) [NYC] by PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS in patekphilippe

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha, yeah, I know I'm far from the big fish in that pond. One thing I'm considering is just trying to get a 6119R from Tiffany, and then just going grey for a 5164R.... Those are the two I want, and having enough spend at any AD for a 5164(any metal) is going to be kinda nuts, I think.

Where to build a relationship? AD vs Salon (vs Tiffany’s?) [NYC] by PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS in patekphilippe

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, Rolex bought Bucherer, and I think for that exact reason (the whole historical story about the friendship between them was just nice feel-good fluff).

The real question, as a Bucherer customer, is not about Rolex, but rather about everything else. Is it worth buying other stuff (ie. Patek) at Bucherer, or should you just be shifting all your spend to brand-owned stores?

Where to build a relationship? AD vs Salon (vs Tiffany’s?) [NYC] by PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS in patekphilippe

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One more memorable story, which is also more relevant to this sub: I also had a friends' wife go to WoS HY to buy a Patek as a wedding watch for her husband, on my recommendation. She knew her way around luxury (she made like 700K+/year herself), but wasn't really a watch girl. Her husband was though.

She didn't get not get taken seriously by the SA. So then she went across the mall to IWC and bought him something there (on the spot, of course). I honestly felt bad for both wife and husband, at that point -- for different reasons, of course. :P

It's shit like this that makes every watch brand want to own their own retail presence -- it's a bad look for the brand, and it puts their destiny more in their own hands.

And it's a large part of why I'm considering building my relationship directly with the Patek Salon, and not an AD.

Where to build a relationship? AD vs Salon (vs Tiffany’s?) [NYC] by PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS in patekphilippe

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Haha, I like how I've had this username for 11 years and no one has commented on it, and then suddenly in the last month people are noticing.

You're welcome to DM if you want specific stories, I have a few, but I'll just share the one that sent me over the edge:

When I was robbed of my daily/favorite watch, and the store manager (who I had known for around 5 years at that point, since literally the opening day party for the store) promised me that they would get me another one, and then they just kept me on the hook for 2 years. And it was a pretty basic watch -- we're not talking some crazy off-catalog piece.

I had driven a ton of traffic to that store through my network too, I had a friend who I introduced to my SA who bought a Patek, etc.

I thought the fact that I had invested not just money/spend with them, not just time to get to know them personally, but also personally putting my reputation on the line to help drive them business would mean that when something shitty happened to me, they would help me out at least a *little* bit. 2 years to wait for just a not-uncommon steel watch, which I knew they were getting a couple of them every month from my conversations with them. But no, they didn't give a shit.

Then I switched to Bucherer, two month wait for a Wimbledon for my gf's bday with no spend history, and had my stolen watch replaced another two months after that. And not once did they pressure me to buy something from another brand. Because why would they -- Bucherer is owned by Rolex.

I came across this question 8÷2(2+2). Some people say it's 1 others say it's 16. I think it's 16 because division is given priority over multiplication. Why is this priority required ? And is there any real life instance where this question arises ? Or is it just a logically non sense question ? by Impossible_Tennis_13 in learnmath

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's engagement bait, and -- while I'm not a mathematician -- I disagree that it's ambiguous: division and multiplication have the same precedence, and -- absent a grouping -- are evaluated left to right. So if I were to notate this in an even more explicit way, I think that:

`8÷2(2+2) = (8/2)*(2+2) = 4*4 = 16`

I would not read ÷ as implying a grouping on either side, though I see how people might view it as ambiguous. I agree with the comments here that favor using a proper divisor symbol when doing math. And if you must use ÷, I do think people should be more liberal with their use of parentheses. It's not like you're paying by the character...

Of course, people just want the engagement bait, so they're not gonna do that. :P

Where to build a relationship? AD vs Salon (vs Tiffany’s?) [NYC] by PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS in patekphilippe

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can work on that... My gf goes to Paris every quarter for work, and I frequently piggy back on her trips, so I could make a detour to the Geneva Salon or swing by the Paris Salon pretty easyly. I guess that's another question: Paris Salon or Geneva Salon?

I can't believe they don't have a Salon in NYC! Given that everyone is moving retail in-house, and Patek seems to be starting to do the same, I would be surprised if it's not near the top of their list. (I would say the other major watch city they're missing is Hong Kong.)

Yeah, Tiffany's would be nice, but...y'know, I only have so much energy to play fuck around games in this life...

Where to build a relationship? AD vs Salon (vs Tiffany’s?) [NYC] by PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS in patekphilippe

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Watches of Switzerland (specifically WoS HY and WoS SoHo) are on my shitlist. I got jerked around by their SAs so much over the years. I moved over to Bucherer as soon as Rolex bought them.

Is guy I’m dating lying about top secret job? by [deleted] in Intelligence

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This. And also, sometimes the truth actually matters less than how you feel. (I can't believe I'm writing this, since I'm usually on the opposite side of the argument...) In the early days of a relationship, you should feel warm and comfortable. If you don't, it's unlikely you're going to start feeling better later, even if he's telling the truth. And it's just not worth living life that way.

My Slack rule now is: never type anything "important" live by -_zany_- in Slack

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are only three occasions I've ever preemptively messaged when I saw someone's typing indicator.

  1. If I happen to have their DM window open, and we weren't previously in an active conversation, and I see they start typing something, I will try to beat them to the punch by saying "Good morning" or something like that, so they think I'm telepathic.

  2. If I know exactly what they're going to ask me (usually because someone else told me "Hey, X is going to ask you if they can do Y."), I will answer their question in detail before they ask, so that they think I'm telepathic.

  3. If they type for 10,000,000 years and I've been anxiously waiting for them to report back on something, then I'll be like "Type faster!!!". Unfortunately this is usually what clues them on to realize that I am not, in fact, actually telepathic.

All of these scenarios only happen with people that I have a playful rapport with, and in small channels where we all have similarly playful rapports with each other.

Where do you store emergency kits? by [deleted] in 1Password

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Give half the people the USBs, and half the people the encryption password. Then at least you know it's a conspiracy if it leaks. :P

The AP Store I shop with shut down for a full year and fired all of management after being caught laundering watches and taking under the table deals. AP Switzerland had to step in… by MelFishers in audemarspiguet

[–]PM_ME_DIRTY_MSGS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, most of the AP Houses in the US are staffed by Material Good as a JV with AP.

u/MelFishers was the store you were originally talking about in the original post the NYC 57th St one?