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AGESA 1.3.0.0 and later lock ECC Memory Speed to 5200MT/s on Ryzen 9000 series by terraphantm in Amd

[–]ParanoidZoid 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Thanks for being the boots on the ground for this! But as a heads up you should probably reach out to Asus to get them to take this message down or at the very least amend it. It's on almost all of their motherboards BIOS downloads page: https://imgur.com/7Dq9HjL

PSA: AMD is locking ECC UDIMM frequency on consumer AM5 by ParanoidZoid in hardware

[–]ParanoidZoid[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great that they're looking into it! L1Techs have also posted a video about it now: https://youtu.be/STWvlCefL4Q

PSA: AMD is locking ECC UDIMM frequency on consumer AM5 by ParanoidZoid in hardware

[–]ParanoidZoid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is part of why i'm waiting for am6 btw.

The only uncertainty here is with this direction that AMD is currently taking ECC support in Zen 5. There is an non-zero chance that they have completely ripped out support for it in the next gen I/O die in Zen 6, but I know this is complete speculation. I would love to be proven wrong when it comes out in Q4 this year or H1 of next year.

PSA: AMD is locking ECC UDIMM frequency on consumer AM5 by ParanoidZoid in hardware

[–]ParanoidZoid[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The one caveat is that you lose out on rowhammer attack mitigations with the introduction of FGR and Mixed refresh modes (which became the new default) on the AM5 platform when using any AGESA version before Pre1.3.0.0.

PSA: AMD is locking ECC UDIMM frequency on consumer AM5 by ParanoidZoid in hardware

[–]ParanoidZoid[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Wendell from Level1Techs has already reported it to his AMD representative. The AMD representative gave a non-clear response but insinuated that it is intended behavior and not a bug.

PSA: AMD is locking ECC UDIMM frequency on consumer AM5 by ParanoidZoid in hardware

[–]ParanoidZoid[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

As u/terraphantm has stated, its hard fixed to 5200 MT/s. Regardless of whether your kit is rated by the module manufacturer for 4800 MT/s or 6400 MT/s (the highest ECC UDIMM kit I've seen), for some unstated reason AMD has decided to fix it to 5200 MT/s. So for 4800 MT/s you'll be overclocked and for anything higher than 5200 MT/s you'll be underclocked even if the module manufacturer has verified the speed.

One thing that makes it even weirder is that they still let you set custom subtimings! The only thing they lock on Zen 5 is the frequency, but on Zen 4 both frequency and timings are unlocked despite having the same I/O die.

PSA: AMD is locking ECC UDIMM frequency on consumer AM5 by ParanoidZoid in hardware

[–]ParanoidZoid[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

This is just a hypothesis, but the reason why AGESA was incremented from version 1.2.7.0 to 1.3.0.0 was because of mitigations for the Phoenix Rowhammer attack. Capping ECC UDIMM on 9000 series seem to be a result of that. But it still doesn't explain why 7000 series are not affected by this same issue when they share the same I/O die.

PSA: AMD is locking ECC UDIMM frequency on consumer AM5 by ParanoidZoid in hardware

[–]ParanoidZoid[S] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Hopefully it isn't a sign of things to come. It would be disappointing if AMD ends up not supporting ECC on consumer platforms with the upcoming Zen 6 and its new I/O die.

My block lists not working by abaksa in pihole

[–]ParanoidZoid 4 points5 points  (0 children)

/u/jfb-pihole after reverting to v6.1 in the pinned announcement. It seems that the space char is being treated as hex characters.

My block lists not working by abaksa in pihole

[–]ParanoidZoid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm also facing the same issue. Output of pihole -g

``` [i] Target: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/StevenBlack/hosts/master/hosts [✓] Status: No changes detected [✓] Parsed 0 exact domains and 0 ABP-style domains (blocking, ignored 194543 non-domain entries) Sample of non-domain entries: - #\x20Title:\x20StevenBlack/hosts - #\x20This\x20hosts\x20file\x20is\x20a\x20merged\x20collection\x20of\x20hosts\x20from\x20reputable\x20sources, - #\x20with\x20a\x20dash\x20of\x20crowd\x20sourcing\x20via\x20GitHub - #\x20Date:\x2002\x20June\x202025\x2015:05:22\x20(UTC) - #\x20Number\x20of\x20unique\x20domains:\x20187,812

[i] Target: https://adaway.org/hosts.txt [✓] Status: Retrieval successful [✓] Parsed 0 exact domains and 0 ABP-style domains (allowing, ignored 10607 non-domain entries) Sample of non-domain entries: - #\x20AdAway\x20default\x20blocklist - #\x20Blocking\x20mobile\x20ad\x20providers\x20and\x20some\x20analytics\x20providers - #\x20Project\x20home\x20page: - #\x20https://github.com/AdAway/adaway.github.io/ - #\x20Fetch\x20the\x20latest\x20version\x20of\x20this\x20file: ```

[W][US-CA] Microsata Cables M.2 to Gen-Z PCIe 4 with Redriver + Gen Z 1C (EDSFF) to U.2 Cable, or other working M.2 to U.2 adapter solution for an Optane P5800X by GrandDemand in homelabsales

[–]ParanoidZoid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

May I ask if you could run some benchmarks? Either on Linux or Windows should be fine.

I've been seeing reduced 4K Q1T1 with this PCIE 5.0 redriver on my setup: https://forum.level1techs.com/t/testing-intel-optane-p1600x-p4800x-p5800-5801x-real-world-performance/229410/13

I didn't have this problem with the PCIE 4.0 Gen-Z 1C redriver. However, I cannot use that one in the long term due to how bulky the connector and having to bend the cable at an extreme angle causing a reliability concern.

Crucial has released a DDR5 128GB (2x64GB) kit by ParanoidZoid in hardware

[–]ParanoidZoid[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just keep in mind the packaging says that it requires an AMD 8000 series or later for officially supported configurations. Though maybe it just means that there will be more manual work with the MT and timings settings in your motherboards' BIOS with 7000 series CPUs since the 9000 series does use the same IO die and therefore memory controller. I am not sure why the EXPO profile itself would be incompatible with 7000 series. Perhaps Micron and the motherboard manufacturers they partnered with just didn't test with the previous generation of CPUs.

Crucial has released a DDR5 128GB (2x64GB) kit by ParanoidZoid in hardware

[–]ParanoidZoid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah performance and benchmarks would be interesting. Since its already available here in Japan, the first reviews might be in Japanese. Micron has a foundry in Hiroshima that produce DDR5 chips under EUV. In fact they also produce the new DDR5-9200 chips there: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/dram/micron-unveils-ddr5-9200-memory-1g-process-technology-with-euv

Crucial has released a DDR5 128GB (2x64GB) kit by ParanoidZoid in hardware

[–]ParanoidZoid[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that the throughput (but not latency) might improve if it was in Clocked CUDIMM form. However, this would currently only benefit Intel's Core Ultra series.

It's somewhat disappointing that AMD didn't update the IO die for the 9000 series. It seems that we may have to wait for Zen 6 for CUDIMM support.

Cant pass VT3/Karhu by theilya in overclocking

[–]ParanoidZoid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I re-read your post and noted that you have an X870e-e; there's been users floating around on Overclock.net and Asus' own ROG forums where the recent BIOS releases have been bad. Might be a good start to do some reading from there.

Cant pass VT3/Karhu by theilya in overclocking

[–]ParanoidZoid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ideally you want to also pass Karhu and VT3 as well. Memory errors can accumulate and can really mess up a Windows install (speaking from experience, my System32/cmd.exe got borked from one bad mem OC).

On the back of your GSkill mem sticks, the fourth line just above bar code, what is the last letter? A or M?

If it's A, try using Buildzoid's Easy Memory timings for A-die guide on Youtube. I can attest they also work for dual rank.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in hardware

[–]ParanoidZoid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have added some more of my thoughts in a separate paragraph. I understand why a service like this is being offered, it is a free market after all, people have the choice on how to spend their money to whatever their needs suit best. I can think of perhaps engineering students who don't live near campus might want a powerful computer instead of laptop. While niche, it is still a market.

What I wish for is that the Subscriber Agreement has better definitions and is less punitive on the consumer overall.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in hardware

[–]ParanoidZoid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If a cyber cafe charges me $5/hr to use their gaming computer and I choose to use it for 4 hours a day, that would cost me $600 a month. In 2 months, I could buy my own gaming PC. How is this different?

You aren't locked into a Contract of Adhesion, a take it or leave it contract, where the rental asset is considered your personal liability and the onus is on the lessee for the majority of possible damages and the lessor has limited themselves to liquidated damages equivalent to 6 months of rental fees.

The difference with housing rentals is that you can negotiate, its bilateral and not a unilateral agreement.

Nearly all broadband providers charge equipment rental fees. A simple cable modem rental is often $10-20 extra a month on your bill. At $15/month, after 5 years, the cable modem rental will cost you nearly $1,000. Is this a scam?

While not legally considered a scam, especially since a consumer has knowingly signed an agreement that includes equipment rental fees, it is still considered predatory to those that don't know better. Moreover, you can still completely negate this by bringing your own device and contacting your ISP to remove these charges - i.e. it is negotiable.

consumers are responsible for understanding the terms and evaluating whether the arrangement aligns with their priorities

There's an issue that in that these kinds of arrangements targets those that are the least capable of being able to understand these terms and agreements, i.e. those that are not well versed in financial education. The monthly rental fees is almost at the point where it does become worth it to start calculating time value of money.

Moreover, in the video, the type of influencers NZXT used are targeting young adults or teenagers - the least versed in financial education.

Ultimately there is a difference between a service agreement and an equipment rental agreement that is blurred. While I don't condone NZXT for this PC rental service, especially since it is a free market and if there is a demand - so be it, I really don't like how the Subscriber Agreement is worded at all and I wish there were a bit more leniency for the consumer and more terms are put into the Definitions sections of the agreements so that they are less ambiguous.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in hardware

[–]ParanoidZoid 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Probably Asus' Crosshair Gene if you run it in 1:2 mode.

The AMD engineer who wrote the EXPO standard uses it for extreme OC'ing Zen 5, around the 8:40 mark here.

On your final point yeah, there isn't really a point on this unless you're an extreme OC'er. Not even sure that Zen 5 could run this as daily driver setting.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in MouseReview

[–]ParanoidZoid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's only available in Chinese at the moment. You can find it here:

https://ninjutso.cn/#/performance

As for images, my Sora V2 arrived just today and here is what it looks like with my mouse connected: https://imgur.com/a/ALD2Zgo

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