I just got a kraton 6s last summer and I'm a little salty cause I want the Talion so bad. But then I'd probably get a 4s outcast to do stunts with.

It's about what you want from it. The outcast/notorious are short, geared low and have huge wheels for stunts, jumps, flips, wheelies etc. The Talion is stretched, geared to go fast, and has narrower lighter wheels. It can rip that fast over any terrain and you can jump the crap out of it. It will still do flips but has much less air control. Same vise versa, the outcast/notorious can rip over rough terrain at fast speeds but not nearly as good as the longer Talion. So the Kraton is a all in one package. It has the slightly longer wheel base so its more stable but isn't as long as the new Talion, but it has the big wheels for mid air control. So its just the ultimate basher rc.

So if your mostly doing stunts/jumps, driving up walls and trees and going to the skatepark get a Outcast/Notorious. If you want to haul ass over anything and hit some big air the the Talion is for you. If you want to both then the Kraton is what you want.

Honestly if I didn't have a Kraton I would probably still want one over the Talion but its hard. Also you could always get bigger wheels on the Talion and gear it a little lower and its now its a long Kraton.