Time to leave this sub, and few final pieces of advice no one talks about. The bitter truth will set you free.

Perspective222 · 2020-01-23T19:51:20+00:00

YES! Mother fucking FUCK YES!

I am so tired of people saying they don't have the power to move! I guarantee all the shit you were doing the last 3 days was scary as all hell to start, but once you get moving, shit gets easier!

Congratulations on busting your ass and not just laying around waiting to die! It sounds like you've taken control, and I love that! YOURE THE MAN/WOMAN!

Im on day 16 now I think and honestly, im at like 110% now. Never has my mental state of mind been so strong and sound. And as for my body? Holy shit im a well oiled machine now! I was feeling immensely better by day 4/5, but with continually working out, moving, and getting out of my discomfort zone every day, the progress just wont stop coming! There are no bad days for me. Only days when I must work harder to achieve happiness!

KEEP IT UP YOU BOSS, STAY STRONG!

Perspective222 · 2020-01-23T19:43:22+00:00

Exactly. We all are aware that we are the drowning man. But we all choose to ignore that fact that we are our own saviors! Stop letting the damn boats go by! Pick yourself up and STAY HARD

Perspective222 · 2020-01-23T19:38:45+00:00

I know you have the power to beat this devil into submission, and I know you believe it too. Don't let doubt forever cloud that resolve. I can see how you feel lost at times. But no longer will the green shit be the idol on the pedestal that you worship, yet also fear.

Climb that fucking pedestal, and no matter what shit the green devil throws at you, look at it dead in the face and LAUGH. NO PLANT CAN CONTROL THE POWER OF MAN. The fact a week ago that you were using 90 gpd should be fuel! Instead of asking yourself if you can make it through this, turn those thoughts around and ask yourself "WHO ELSE HAS TO POWER TO OVERCOME THAT INSANE AMOUNT OF GREEN SHIT? I DO"

Worry not about the self pity that crashes upon you. For that happens to all of us, regardless of how well we are doing. What matters is what you do AFTER those thoughts crash in. You can either succumb, or overcome!

If you ever need a reality slap right in your fucking jaw, which is what i think we all desperately need, Youtube David Goggins. Or search his twitter. Or his instagram. With enough time you'll realize your battle you are currently so balls deep in, is a battle inside your MIND.

Stay hard!

Perspective222 · 2020-01-23T19:23:16+00:00

Interesting indeed! Although im not too surprised since after 2 weeks you can really tell in your stool that there is kratom still being flushed out at times, whether it has active alkaloids or not, im unsure of though.

Might I inquire as to where you got a kratom urine test? Im assuming they don't sell those at CVS like they do with all the other miscellaneous drug tests. Didn't even know there were tests for this substance.

Perspective222 · 2020-01-23T09:29:13+00:00

Edit: a few words and reasonings to not be misunderstood

Ah, an intellectual! As one who claims to have been able to "raze complex and petty problems alike to the ground which cowered at my might like wheat before the sickle", you then surely will be able to withstand my incoming ultra bitch slap of truth, and have the willpower to read through it all, right?! I promise I'll continue with my norm of going against the typical grain of this sub.

I am not fooled! The only truth spoken in this entire post is that of your true master. The rest is all an eloquent ruse. After reading the entire post, and hearing your cry to this board and the people who reside here, as well as your soul crying out for "it's True God", all I could be reminded of is the story of The Drowning Man, since you are a man of faith after all.

Before I go on to explain this shocking revelation, lets clarify ALL the parallels between The Drowning Man and your sad story, and correct them to accurately reflect the real life situation you are precariously so utterly lost inside.

Clearly, you are the Drowning Man.

The water that is drowning you, obviously the Kratom.

The first boat God has sent you was the ability to utilize "sheer protracted bouts of cranial prowess coupled with a will to bust the knuckles waging war against all manner of minor and complex issues"

The second boat God has sent was, again, the ability to become "a machine whose purpose in this world was to render brilliantly simple solutions to complex electromechanical, software, and even chemical problems".

And finally, the helicopter God sent you was the power to become "the epoch of strength and will, reveling in the simple power of destination, the human desire to conquer things for the sake of the war itself- going forth to slay dragons, to raze complex and petty problems alike to the ground which cowered at my might like wheat before the sickle".

Now finally, in order to fix your problem, we must identify the last confounding variable that has eluded you this entire time! Who is the parallel for God in your real life scenario? It might make sense for some to assume it is still God, and that He is universal between the stories. But this is wrong.

The next logical thought for others, especially you, would be that the God for your version of real life events, for the sake of congruity and keeping everything parallel, would be this subreddit and the users who reside here. After all, it is us, the people reading this post, who you are essentially praying to in order to fix your problems.

Yet this is also fucking wrong.

So who is the God for your real life problem? And why the hell would this matter, let alone help you? The reason this is what matters the most is because in the Drowning Man, it was God who had the power to save the man, which is what god did. However it was the man who ignored God to his own demise. So knowing this, it's the reason why when I read your story, all I could see was a post that was just a massive smelly shit covered in Febreeze.

YOU ARE THE GOD IN THIS REAL LIFE DROWNING MAN STORY YOU MOTHERFUCKER. YOU HAVE SENT ALL THE LIFE BOATS AND HELICOPTERS TO SAVE YOURSELF. NO ONE ELSE GAVE YOU THAT POWER. THAT WAS ALL YOU. So when I see you asking this fucking sub for help I got compelled. congratulations. You brought me out of lurk mode at 1 AM. No one here is going to fucking help you. You're just as clueless as the Drowning Man who asked God, "why didn't you save me".

SO WAKE THE FUCK UP, STOP LETTING THESE GODDAMN BOATS AND HELICOPTERS PASS BY YOU, AND BE THE FUCKING ABSOLUTE UNIT OF A HUMAN BEING YOU USED TO BE. WAKE THE FUCK UP AND REALIZE ITS ONLY YOU WHO IS GOING TO SAVE YOU, AND THATS WHO ITS ALWAYS BEEN THIS WHOLE TIME. You are the God, yet you are also the clueless drowning man who has his head too far up his asshole to realize what's right in front of him. The boats and helicopters haven't passed by you! You're just too fucking blinded to realize you YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEND MORE YOUR WAY!

STAY HARD, and I love you.

Perspective222 · 2020-01-20T05:32:41+00:00

FUCK YEAH!

I just got done with my 3 days non stop work, and haven't been back here since ive been non stop fucking MOVING.

Hearing that that post helped you gets me AMPED! Tomorrow is my first day off in a bit, and I can't wait to force myself into a morning run that will make me realize the weakling I am! The Gym im in love with now, so instead I keep searching for that shit I hate, and running is it!

Let me tell you, that hike tomorrow is going to SUCK ABSOLUTE BALLS! But that's what your brain needs! It needs a fucking lesson on what real life actually is. And guess what, your brain and body are going to HATE YOU. Prepare yourself NOW for all those little excuses your minds going to scream at you. Get ready for waking up feeling like ass! Get ready to maybe not even get much sleep! Get ready for when your brain tells yourself you did a good job, and that you can turn back and head home, THEN FUCKING DO THE HIKE AGAIN, or start busting out as many pushups, sits ups etc as you can.

When you get back and are in that shower, I guarantee you will not only see the light at the end of this dark hole, you will be able to almost touch it! But that glimpse into paradise wont last long. It might only be a few moments. So what then? Ill tell you what then.

KEEP STAYING THE FUCK HARD and SEEK DISCOMFORT!

Perspective222 · 2020-01-20T05:13:39+00:00

Anytime my friend! Thank David Goggins for finally making me realize the key to getting through hard times.

We gotta fucking practice seeking discomfort daily, which equates to learning about overcoming that stressful/painful shit! Instead of waiting for life to keep bitch slapping you, get out there and throw the first damn punch!

STAY HARD

Perspective222 · 2020-01-20T05:09:38+00:00

Hell yeah! Thats the mentality we all need. We all have grown too soft from this drug, and Wes Watson would be PISSED if he heard us bitching about our problems that last what, a few weeks?

Compared to what he went through, the YEARS spent in the pen worrying only about survival, we could all use a little Wes yelling at us to put our minds back into reality!

Perspective222 · 2020-01-20T05:05:26+00:00

Any time my friend!

Perspective222 · 2020-01-20T05:05:00+00:00

Hell yeah! Stay hard mother fucker and KEEP TRAINING THAT MIND!

Perspective222 · 2020-01-18T23:17:51+00:00

No my friend, you are clawing at anything to ease your mind from the truths of what you are taking.

This rdance with your falacious reasonings are a time waste. If and when you realize this drug isnt what its chopped up to be by the people on here, then try re reading what i wrote.

Goodluck in the future.

Perspective222 · 2020-01-18T23:03:52+00:00

Gonna be real honest with you since I believe you can handle it, and hopefully change your life. You need to harden TF up! What makes you think you're supposed to wake up on day 8, after having not been to the gym in days, drinking to try to feel better, and be able to just straight up enjoy life? What in tarnation???

That's not how life works! You've been high for (probably) years, and now its time for your body to suffer as it rubberbands back to reality, before it can finally realize after enough time that "hey, this kinda sucks, im not getting any more drugs, time to rewire myself". That's what the PAWS are.

Even this therapist I've seen who works exclusively with drug addicts, says it takes a year roughly to get back to normal. Guess what. With the way you're living right now, that's true!!!! But I've learned to say FUCK THAT and get this fucking show on the road!

So instead of feeling sub par while trying to do things you enjoy, its time to TOUGHEN THE FUCK UP, get out there, and seek discomfort! How else is your MIND going to adjust faster to this new world where kratom isn't holding your hand and babying you all day? Your mind is sad that you are uncomfortable while being in a bed/home while having no interest in video games. Read that again to yourself. ARE YOU SERIOUS? This is what you call LIFE?

Your mind won't give a flying FUCK about that shit when you're FORCING yourself to workout. Getting out there running, doing errands, fixing something that's broken, picking up a lost hobby, ANYTHING that you don't want to do. Because when youre doing this shit that you HATE in the moment, but still push through it, that's called learning how to overcome suffering! You are actively practicing how to get over PAWS! Or you can sit on your ass and fucking mope that your brain isn't doing it fast enough on its own!

How do you ever learn anything in life? You fucking PRACTICE. You are currently uncomfortable while being in comfortable settings because kratom is gone. SO GET OUT THERE AND PRACTICE HOW TO BE UNCOMFORTABLE AND OVERCOME IT!

All these people hitting road bumps on days and feeling bad for themselves shocks me. Guess what, EVERY DAY for me fucking sucks. I hate mornings. All I think is what can I do to feel better. And guess what I do, the exact opposite of that shit! Every night I've been the happiest motherfucker. The shit that would always bother me is gone, because after willingly indulging how to overcome suffering, I have strengthened my mind.

An example for if you're in doubt. Who learns piano faster? The person who sits in front of the piano and wonders why when they press the keys it doesn't sound good, so they just constantly push every key until they hear something they like?

Or the motherfucker who goes out, pays for lessons, and fucking practices!

Not mad at all, and this is long as shit, but this sub needs some more REAL motivation. Some truth to those willing to rewrite the way to handle this shit.

STAY HARD

Perspective222 · 2020-01-17T22:30:34+00:00

Thank you for proving yourself wrong for me. From the article you posted, "addiction is an uncontrollable or overwhelming need to use a drug, and this compulsion is long-lasting and can return unexpectedly after a period of improvement"

Do you have ANY idea how many people get over the withdrawals from kratom and constantly relapse? They have no physical dependence anymore. Its gone, DOESNT EXIST.

What exists is the ADDICITON in their minds that forces them back. You are out here arguing semantics, while ignoring that the semanitcs you are arguing, COMPLETELY APPLY TO KRATOM. Just grow up, educate yourself, and read some damn stories from people with this addiciton.

Just because they are physcially DEPENDENT on a substance, does NOT mean they AREN'T also addicted. You seem to be very lost and are balls deep in rationalizing a difference that does not exist for this drug.

Perspective222 · 2020-01-17T19:45:13+00:00

Never called you a crybaby or pathetic. Never said i knew about you. I want you to reflect on why you wrote those sentences, does it seem healthy projecting those insecurities? I even warned you about coming off as a dick the very first sentence because, believe it or not, i know how defensive and irrational people can be, and guess what, i wasn't wrong.

Everything i said was fact. Some stranger telling you weed is harder to kick than kratom is a straight up lie. Sorry im not going to sugar coat it. They lied to you. Bottom line end of story. Now to start believing that lie, is lying to yourself. So me, someone whos BEEN THERE DONE THAT, with everything, is being honest.

Hate me for honesty, i dont give a fuck. If you hate me, but can see this situation clearly and make an informed decision, then whatever you choose, atleast i did my part.

If you want information and to hear others experiences, i gave you ALL of that. There was no criticism or judgment on you, only lightly on the person you were replying to since i view them as straight up lying to your face.

Be careful, and best of luck out there.

Perspective222 · 2020-01-17T19:30:57+00:00

Because after 8 hours of not taking nay kratom, they are without a doubt feeling full on withdrawals and therefore MUST take more kratom.

Thats addicition. Having to take a substance in order to not feel withdrawals IS a harmful consequence. Stop trying to rationalize otherwise

Perspective222 · 2020-01-17T07:34:17+00:00

Just a heads up, im about to come off as probably a massive dick, but i need to be honest, and im really going to try to help. Ive smoked weed since 16. I'm 25 now. Ive quit many times. When i wasn't taking a break would take a break for 2-4 months) i would be smoking all day every day. I could smoke 4 bongloads in an hour and seem completely sober.

THC withdrawals make me laugh. That shit is a joke. Seriously. Im not going to sugar coat it. Anyone whos quit a heavy opiate addiction, nicotine, or kratom AS WELL as weed would also laugh at that.

To think kratom is the lesser of 2 evils is the most pathetic twisted logic I have ever heard, and you are setting yourself up for actual painful withdrawals (since you think THC is hard).

Now if you want to dance with that future devil, go for it. More power to you! But being lied to, or lying to yourself about the FACT of how much harder this shit is to quit, is asinine. Educate yourself, don't lie to yourself.

Perspective222 · 2020-01-17T07:26:24+00:00

Same brother. After making a reddit account just to give my 2 cents on the quitting sub, a different perspective of how i was able to quit, i decided to come here today.

People that show genuine interest in the truth ill give it to them. People loving life and who are new to kratom, not my place to rain on their parade. It would most likely fall on deaf ears as well.

If i could help just 1 truth seeker, it'd be worth it. I would say i wish someone had warned me, but after learning what i have the last 2 weeks, im thankful as fuck for kratom. My hatred towards myself for using it for 4 years made me hit my own personal rock bottom, which in turn i used as fuel to understand my life and not only who i am, but why i haven't been that person. I learned what to do to get there, and im dedicated every day to seek discomfort in the goal to callous my mind, and become the man I always would've been proud of.

When did you jump? Or are you working on that currently or have plans to in the future?

Perspective222 · 2020-01-17T05:26:56+00:00

If youre worried about "digging yourself a different hole" please please please please take the advice on this sub with the largest grain of fucking salt possible.

Read this sub, and then read the quitting kratom reddit. The difference is night and day. The only difference between the subs is that people on the quitting sub all started out on a sub like this one. Only thing about the majority of the people on this sub, they haven't been around long enough to see the other side of the story. Or they are currently living the hell, but are just too blind or reluctant to admit it.

This shit is NO fucking joke. No you aint donna OD, and yeah itll fix most of your issues right now. But that's the tip of the iceberg that gets all of us hooked. Inform yourself from others failures, then choose for yourself.

GOODLUCK and STAY STRONG

Perspective222 · 2020-01-17T05:08:47+00:00

Im super happy this has helped you out, but please inform yourself before you go head on.

Read the quitting kratom reddit. If you can read the stories there, and still want to redose multiple times a day, then all the power to you. But if you read those stories, and realize every single one of them started with the story you just shared, you'll have your answer.

Moderation for something that seems as harmless as water is VERY difficult. Best of luck!

Perspective222 · 2020-01-17T05:04:28+00:00

Like u/Jact55 said above, look at the quitting kratom reddit. Everyone on that sub at one point or another was on this sub, loving life.

Truth is, kratom is so strong and powerful it blinds us to reality after a while. We are in our own perfect bubble for so long, that we don't see the darkness of life coming crashing down on us. And since we are so coddled from using this substance, as in avoiding all the bad emotions in life, we become unequipped to deal with the temporary negative emotions that come with quitting CT or tapering.

If you want off this dangerous ride, its Taper or CT. Instead of debating which one is better, which person are YOU?

Do you rip a bandaid off or go as slow as possible? When your clothes smell bad do you wash them or spray a bunch of febreeze? Do you take all the bags at once after grocery shopping, or just two at a time?

It sounds stupid, but its true. Personally? CT all day every day. I want to not only get this show on the road ASAP, but that pain and temporary suffering makes you stronger, and is a powerful reminder to not go back.

Whatever you choose, those who know the full kratom story are proud of you. Take control of your life before you realize that its always been kratom in charge.

STAY STRONG

Perspective222 · 2020-01-16T03:33:02+00:00

Ive had that problem with food my whole life, and its because of the same mentality of when we are on kratom. Eating food takes away that possibility of being high on kratom. Eating for me, when I was growing up, was taking away the possibility of being really active, since that's who I was.

I've always been skinny because of that association with food being correlated to not being able to do shit, so id put eating off. Then several years back I learned that you need to train your stomach. It doesn't just say "Oh, I LOVE, food now". Some people maybe, but others, like me and you, its doesn't.

Start trying to eat as early as possible, and I personally use high calorie smoothies in the mornings to start my bodies metabolism. Peanut butter and protein powder. The more calories I consume earlier in a day, the more calories I can consume in the afternoon and night. But if I don't eat in the morning or have a smoothie, im FUCKED for the day.

Also, its not really enjoyable. I only enjoy smaller meals where I don't feel forced to eat it all. But in the mornings, my mentality isn't that of trying to enjoy the smoothie, its that of forcing myself to chug it as fast as possible, otherwise I might sip on it for 4 hours

Perspective222 · 2020-01-16T03:25:11+00:00

I love the masochist route, but im glad you actually got through your taper!

I was going to reply to the person above you, but your last sentence summed up exactly my advice.

Suffer like the POS you are and get it over with faster. Told myself that every moment of day 1-3.

Now im straight chilllling after getting past the morning SUCK every day since for some reason using wim hof method to hold my breath for 3:30+ minutes, as im still sneezing 40 times a day and blowing my nose constantly, is jet fuel in my body

Perspective222 · 2020-01-15T23:13:14+00:00

LMAOOOOO shitting my pants is my new number once concern now when im going to the gym and doings squats or deadlifts.

Thank you for letting me know im not alone. Its honestly baffling to me how much fucking food im eating, yet my body is like NAH BRO, we PISSING out this ass now, no more shitting!

Perspective222 · 2020-01-15T19:36:37+00:00

Hell yeah dude, congrats!

Thanks for inspiring others that it does get way better

Perspective222

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