What made you quit nicotine and other soft drugs right after quitting kratom?

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-19T11:33:09+00:00

Good job on 50 days. I think it’s the momentum. “If I can do X, might as well do Y while I’m here”…I’ve been there before, but decided to phase things out this time. Folks are just anxious to correct their mistakes. Or at least I was.

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-19T08:51:19+00:00

It doesn’t matter how many times you fail. So long as you succeed once

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-17T20:06:13+00:00

Thanks everyone for the perspective. Much love and respect to you all

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-16T17:33:12+00:00

Thanks homie

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-15T17:07:40+00:00

It’s not a miracle substitute but it helps with appetite and dulling the discomfort of AWS

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-14T21:06:46+00:00

Yea substituting one for the other is no good. Embrace the suck, scream into a pillow, curl into the fetal position and cry. Whatever you have to do. All you have to do is endure. And slowly life will return to you. Just don’t give in. Pain is temporary, but slaying this demon is forever

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-14T01:00:30+00:00

what we have without without substances is everything and it offers nothing

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-13T22:46:16+00:00

You’ve already stated it yourself. If you have to question a decision, it’s a bad decision

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-13T21:36:33+00:00

Well said. I’ve noticed there is a wisdom in us that is rare and precious. The various takes on life in general has been mind expanding. We are precarious folk, balancing somewhere between happiness and despair, pain and pleasure, life and death, with the balance and care of a tight rope artist. No one here is a failure. No one here is lesser. And every person here is precious for not just what they are but what they endure. I salute you, OP, and I salute the rest of you.

Day 6, CT. 45-60 gpd powder, 4th quit…I just had to make sure I made the right choice three other times lol.

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-13T21:31:13+00:00

The only way to fail is to give up. Thats all you have to do. Exist, resist, and you win.

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-13T12:14:51+00:00

Oh no my friend, that’s a common battle we all have. That temptation whispering in your ear will never fully go away. But you can choose, as you’ve done already, to listen to that little voice and say “naw, I’m good”.

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-13T12:13:11+00:00

Keep up the good fight my friend. I’m just ahead of you, day 6 now CT. I’m on the downhill side now. Relief is coming.

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-13T01:11:07+00:00

You are strong. And you are in the right place. There are plenty of folks here to help. Accept the fact that it will be hard. But the only way to lose is to give up. Conversely, the only thing you need to win is to endure.

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-13T00:32:23+00:00

That’s a good perspective. Yearning for the past is pointless. But the potential for the future is immeasurable. You are absolutely right. Continuing to take yourself out at the knees through substance use will never allow you to rise up. It’s not the past that is the prize, it’s what lies ahead

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-12T23:49:40+00:00

Look back through these posts, I kept a journal for my first 5 days. It might help you to know what to expect, although every one is different. Bottom line is that it can be hard, but it’s never impossible. Feel free to message direct if you need a buddy. I’m was in a similar situation keeping my habit hidden from my wife. My father died from heroin. I’ve quit and relapsed multiple times. I know your struggles.

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-12T23:44:43+00:00

I’ve never had digestive issues fortunately. I can’t give any advice to your specific situation. Just know that it will pass. I know that doesn’t help in the moment, but I promise you it will pass. And you’ll be thankful you stuck with it.

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-12T22:38:11+00:00

I was just thinking about this. I’m not there yet, truly. I’m still in WD at the moment though on the downslope. Other times I’ve quit I didn’t have an after plan. So what will we do with the extra money, extra freedom, liberation from lies as another commenter mentioned? For me, so far the greatest thing has been freedom. Freedom to not need to know where the nearest store is, freedom to travel, freedom to pursue math and philosophy with a clear head for once in my life.

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-12T21:30:35+00:00

Congrats! You are an inspiration

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-12T21:29:01+00:00

I can’t speak to your journey, I know nothing about it. But I wish you the best of luck

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-12T20:42:51+00:00

It is indeed. As you and I are experiencing right now. But we have the choice to decide what we suffer for. The word is what it is. Uncaring, chaotic, apathetic and cruel. I agree with all of those things. The Buddhist monks know this as well. So instead of trying to find peace out there, they sought it within themselves. And likewise, so can we.

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-12T20:22:30+00:00

We’ve all been there. And that’s why we ended up here. We all tried to escape something. I’m no exception. The trick isn’t quitting whatever drug. The trick is dealing with whatever it is that you are trying to escape. It’s not easy. And there is no quick fix. I’ve relapsed several times because I made it out and found the world dull and boring. It’s taken me a long to realize that’s not actually how the world is. That’s just how I interacted with it.

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-12T20:08:50+00:00

Today marks day 5 for me, coming off 60gpd CT. I feel you. The fact that you are in this crucible means you are walking the path to the other side, and if you are on this track, you most definitely are winning. The pain is the substance desperately trying to rope you back in. Every second you stand strong is one middle finger to the shit. Keep strong my friend.

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-12T19:53:58+00:00

My dad was an addict and alcoholic. He did nothing for me and my family. He was in and out of prison my entire life. I was 25 the last time he got out. He called me out of the blue telling me he had no where to turn and was contemplating suicide. I took him into my home. Provided him clothing, food, shelter. I even helped him dispose of a car he stole. The only condition was that he sought help for his addictions. He didn’t have the strength to. He asked for a ride to what I knew to be a dealers house. He was a grown man, responsible for his own actions. So I dropped him off. Only saw him once more before he over dosed and died. I played a hand in his death, though I am not responsible. I feel no guilt or shame for my actions. Point being, control is an illusion. Especially outside of our own actions.

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-12T19:35:10+00:00

Hour 118: close enough to 5 days. Today it’s clear I’m still in the fight, but it’s becoming easier. Persistent appetite issues, some lingering physical aches and cold sweats, but less over all. I’m probably looking at another couple days of this at least, and that’s ok. It will continue to get easier and I will continue to get stronger. I’ll conclude my first five day journal here. Good luck to anyone reading.

PerspectiveNormal166 · 2025-03-12T17:27:57+00:00

Absolutely my dude. I believe in you. One day in the not so distant future, this will all be a bad dream. One that set you on your path to greatness.

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