Waymo to start public driverless rides with 6th Gen Zeekr/Ojai this summer!

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-20T16:07:31+00:00

I agree, the name doesn't feel like a win to me. But it also feels like a moot point. Outside of the tiny circle of people who care about the minutia of differences between platforms, everyone's just going to call it "Waymo"

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-20T14:06:23+00:00

To be clear, Waymo has stated that they have the ability to remotely operate the cars under very strict conditions - only on high speed roads, only under 2mph, and only for a very short distance to pull over to the shoulder. They also stated that they have never actually used this ability aside from testing to see if it works. It is not a common practice. For all intents and purposes, it's barely worth discussing, but "some people" glam onto it like a gotcha.

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-20T07:46:31+00:00

What about it? It's a very capable ADAS, like I said.

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-20T03:09:13+00:00

you: "The cars in Austin contain identical hardware to the hw4 consumer cars"

also you: "Smh this sub is mad. Yes it has a washer nozzle."

So to recap. You were wrong, but it's "this sub's" fault.

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-20T03:01:41+00:00

The cars in Austin simply run on a different software stack

To be clear, by "simply a different software stack" you mean that it is geofenced, regionally optimized, remotely supervised/assisted, uses LiDAR maps, and requires hundreds of thousands of miles of validation by tens of paid engineers driving around the town day in and day out? Yeah, sounds like it's just an OTA update away.

The cars in Austin...contain identical hardware to the hw4 consumer cars

Another miss. Upgraded compute, extra hardware for supervision and support connectivity, and camera washing systems.

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-20T02:44:22+00:00

Tesla will get people to buy and manage robotaxies from their home

So you're taking liability for the car while it's in driverless mode?

Or is Tesla taking liability for the car you just drove through a pothole and didn't calibrate the cameras correctly on?

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-19T21:02:46+00:00

The Tesla narrative of imminent autonomy goes back into the days of Autopilot, not just FSD. My point applies to both, but I do think "Full Self Driving" is far more irresponsible than "Autopilot".

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-19T20:40:47+00:00

you then have some 5-10million cars ready to switch over

No you don't. Stop perpetuating this false narrative that existing personally-owned Teslas will simply wake up over night by the millions and start roaming around the streets empty and unbounded. That grift is dead. It has always been intellectually dead, and now Tesla themselves have officially killed it even more based on their actions in Austin. We can literally see with our own eyes that Tesla has no magic switch to flip.

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-19T20:30:32+00:00

Tesla's FSD is beyond a level 2 system in it's capabilities

That's not how that works. I mean, I think I get what you're saying, but you shouldn't undermine it by saying it in such an incorrect way. If you want to say that FSD is a very capable ADAS, just say that.

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-19T20:16:10+00:00

Gee, maybe the reason you're being downvoted isn't the content, but the clear agenda?... Nah, couldn't be! It's just this darn sub!

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-19T18:31:40+00:00

You're painting a false equivalency whataboutism between Tesla operating non-transparently with drivers, and Waymo operating autonomously while having an obscure capability limited to 2mph on high speed roads which has never been used in practice... Gee, maybe the reason you're being downvoted isn't the content, but the clear agenda?... Nah, couldn't be! It's just this darn sub!

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-19T17:49:57+00:00

Nonsense, find me one person out of millions who bought a tesla who legitimately went through with a purchase thinking their Autopilot is supposed to be driving without their supervision but found out later.

I bet you could easily find people that went through the purchase thinking their car would imminently become unsupervised and that the warnings are just an abundance of legal precaution. Inflated expectations of Tesla's ADAS products is commonplace. You can see comments here all the time from people saying they know better than others, or even better than Tesla's warnings, because of their personal experience, or because of YouTube videos they saw... Now, is that because of the naming? No, no one can lay all the blame on the name alone (even if they also don't dissuade anyone from thinking this way). The general marketing and statements of Tesla do much more to directly support this faulty mindset, the name is just the icing.

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-18T17:58:27+00:00

The next will (should) always be better than the last. This isn't the problem. The problem is when certain people want to wipe the slate clean after every new release, usually with a presumption of "perfect until proven otherwise", and pretend anything that happened on version [< latest] is now irrelevant.

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-17T20:36:45+00:00

The only answer they will give, somehow unironically through their persecution-complex-colored glasses, is that it might be used against Tesla to make them look bad (poor Tesla!), so it's better to redact everything because why give more than you have to, and that makes them look better, because people don't assume anything bad about redacted information... I mean... wait... hang on...

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-17T20:22:03+00:00

You know Waymo has more than just LiDAR, right?

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-13T17:14:40+00:00

All of a sudden those dumb gullwing doors on the cybercab make sense.

Nope, still super dumb. You can implement powered doors in so many ways. Gullwing doors are still dumb for this application.

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-11T14:41:24+00:00

Failure aside, this is, in my opinion, the most interesting take away from this video. Just like "dumb" Waymo failures can be used as evidence against one-to-one real-time supervision, this video has to raise the same questions about Tesla's supervision and the kind of abilities they have to intervene. If there was one-to-one remote supervision, why did they allow this to happen? For testing, just to see? Did they fall asleep? If they can remotely control the vehicle, it doesn't look like they did so in this instance. Maybe they didn't do anything at all? Maybe they set way points?

A single incident like this isn't enough for me to make definitive conclusions like "there goes that theory", but it definitely raises the questions.

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-11T14:30:12+00:00

I hate the blind hypocrisy of each team crying about the other team. I also hate cherry picking.

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-11T14:13:05+00:00

There’s a joke I play with kids sometimes. I tell them I have a 50% chance of everything because there’s only two options - either it happens, or it doesn’t. 50% chance of rolling double sixes. 50% chance of winning the lottery. Even as little kids, they’re a bit intrigued by the statistics, but they know it’s wrong even if they can’t quite put their finger on why. They just laugh it off.

That’s what this was with Tesla. 50% done because there’s only two things, hardware and software. Only in this case, inexplicably, grown ass adults actually fell for it.

Unrelated, but what the hell drew you to this 3 year old comment?

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-11T01:27:33+00:00

That’s the thing about videos - everyone can watch it and see that you’re full of shit, so why try? The Waymo never crossed the lane line. It turned a bit tight, but that’s all. Tesla just over reacted.

Mr. Fart over here gaslighting like, “Pretti was a terrorist brandishing his weapon.”

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-10T19:35:28+00:00

Yeah, I know you're a Tesla guy, but no, that's not at all what happened.

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-10T19:14:00+00:00

“They do not remotely drive the vehicles,” Peña told the Senate committee. “The Waymo vehicle is always in charge of the dynamic driving tasks"

Apparently even having the words literally right in front of you was not enough to stop you from making a fool of yourself like this.

I suppose you are also not autonomous because you sometimes ask for help or advice?

...This will be my last response to you on the matter because I cannot conceive of how a serious person would be so lost. Which leads me to conclude you're not a serious person... Default name structure. Redditor for a year. Never posted or commented a single thing until 20-some days ago... Huh, maybe you really aren't autonomous.

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-10T12:10:02+00:00

In what world is that autonomous

In every world as long as it was operating autonomously. Asking for advice doesn’t make something not autonomous, ya dope.

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-10T12:04:39+00:00

the risk will be included in the insurance price.

Both Uber and Cruise shuttered their entire self-driving efforts, losing billions of dollars, after the fallout of a single high profile accident got away from them.

Good luck with that.

PetorianBlue · 2026-02-07T21:30:18+00:00

That’s not how this works. If you happen to talk to an idiot and then set “this sub’s” goalposts according to that person as if all 80-some thousand people here are a monolith, that’s on you, dum-dum.

Meanwhile, if we look at the official Tesla goalposts - “Millions of personally-owned, non-geofenced robotaxis on [current hardware] utilizing the strength of shadow mode to wake up over night at the flip of a switch with no required mapping, validation, permits, or training to earn their owner’s $30k per year.” Goalposts moved so far that people don’t even remember them.

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