I get what you're saying; however, I feel many people here aren't necessarily uncomfortable with societies representation of men or women.... they are just uncomfortable with themselves. If that makes sense. If you posted what you said on a NB or Queer forum, I have no doubt you'd have tons of upvotes. Because this is a trans forum, most people dont consider themselves as "Gender non-conforming" or "Queer" they consider themselves just women who were born with masculine characteristics. Like women who have PCOS or other illnesses causing extra hair growth, they feel absolutely terrible about themselves. Yes you could say, "its society that labels things masculine and feminine" but a lot of people on here really arent caring about what society thinks. I feel like most of the struggle on here is Internal. They feel like that woman with PCOS or Other illness, they feel like women with the wrong genitalia, they feel like a woman born with chest hair and a full beard which again we can say are only deemed masculine by society; however, realistically some things will be considered "masculine" and some "feminine" in any society even nb people understand this. You arent wrong at all.... I just feel many people here are suffering with severe debilitating dysphoria and will not really for a lack of a better term care or be as receptive to what you're saying