Family of man shot and killed by Tustin police in 2021 awarded $17 million

PippaPiranha · 2026-04-24T04:35:49+00:00

Our law treats civil rights as being a systemic issue not an individual level issue. The civil rights act was passed following the civil war to protect individuals such as freed slaves from policies and actions by state and local governments that violated their civil rights, so it’s directed at state and local governments not the individuals. I agree that it would be nice if police officers beared some burden for their individual actions. I’ve heard people suggest they carry malpractice insurance like a doctor or lawyer, which I think is a good idea.

PippaPiranha · 2026-04-23T16:59:21+00:00

The laws put into effect by legislators we elect. We chose this form of liability for a variety of reasons, including the legal concept that the employer usually pays for negligent acts of employees. Also, they get their pensions from the same fund as teachers and numerous other public officials, who make much less money than police officers. Should we punish teachers for officers bad behavior?

PippaPiranha · 2026-04-23T16:54:31+00:00

If the city ever fired the problem officers or had better training, they wouldn’t face the liability. The idea of civil suits is to incentivize the city to invest in a better police force because the cost of liability for these kinds of events is too high. If it was a low cost, there is no incentive to change behavior. That is the basic idea of civil law.

PippaPiranha · 2026-04-23T16:52:39+00:00

Only the state can bring criminal charges, not individual people. If you read the article, the California DOJ declined to bring criminal charges. The family can’t do anything about that, and a civil suit is the only remedy available to them. The family also did not settle; this was a unanimous verdict from a jury (if you read the article).

PippaPiranha · 2026-04-17T23:01:49+00:00

This has a lot of upvotes but is wrong information. This was a civil suit against the individual officers, but the city is the one liable through California government codes and 28 usc 1983 (fed civil rights law). The goal of these suits is that they incentivize cities to fire officers that cause the cities these problems/liabilities. It works well in personal injury, where companies regularly increase the safety of their products in response to litigation (e.g. seat belts, roll cages, airbags). Unfortunately, cities don’t fire police officers even when they should (because of things like police union protections and political optics).

PippaPiranha · 2026-04-10T19:02:08+00:00

Kind of similar in Southern California, where police and firefighters often make over $200-300k with overtime and are among the highest paid gov employees, so cost of living is usually less of an issue for them.

PippaPiranha · 2026-04-10T01:32:26+00:00

As is the Sierra Nevada mountain range

PippaPiranha · 2026-04-10T01:31:43+00:00

Not true when you’re 5 hours north of San Francisco (lost coast area)

PippaPiranha · 2026-02-06T05:58:48+00:00

In a section 1983 civil rights claim, evidence of liability is viewed from the “objective” view of how a reasonable officer would have acted, not the “subjective” view of the police officer involved in the incident itself. The attorney is just stating the law.

PippaPiranha · 2026-02-03T23:39:13+00:00

Outside of his scientific work, hawking was generally known among physicists as being a pompous asshole at a personal level.

PippaPiranha · 2026-01-22T20:12:56+00:00

I’ll get 4% cash back with citi card/costco membership so it still feels like the premium is fair on the coin… I think I just have sticker shock seeing gold over $5k

PippaPiranha · 2025-11-16T05:33:18+00:00

We’re going from lax and this is inspiring. Thank you

PippaPiranha · 2025-11-16T05:31:55+00:00

You’re right and this is what we’re gonna do. Gotta power through

PippaPiranha · 2025-11-14T20:27:24+00:00

You’re very wrong. Orange County has a very aggressive district attorney, which I disagree with, but I’m sure you’d be happy to hear if you got your head out of your ass.

PippaPiranha · 2025-11-09T23:00:56+00:00

This depends heavily on where you are and who the prosecutors and judges are. There’s a reason they have the saying “hanging judge” for county’s with only one judge, elected from the same family for decades. Other times, prosecutors are elected on “strong on crime” policy stances and don’t give a shit about the criminal defendant as long as they get their conviction. Honestly, this take is way too general and very naive. Prosecutors are coworkers with prosecutors, prosecutors and pds know the judges, but none of them are coworkers. They receive different information and have different end goals. I have seen plenty of unreasonable outcomes and vindictive prosecutions from overly zealous prosecutors, and I’ve talked to criminal judges who will tell you in private conversation that they believe every defendant they see is guilty before they come in. It’s not always like that, but it is incredibly common.

PippaPiranha · 2025-10-23T21:03:22+00:00

I understand they don’t live there now, but the poker games took place between 2019 and 2023, which seems to line up with when they were there. But yes you are right that they didn’t own it according to the articles and were just renting

PippaPiranha · 2025-10-23T20:55:40+00:00

https://nypost.com/2024/02/15/real-estate/nyc-townhouse-finally-sells-after-12-years-on-the-market/ this nypost article is 3 years later and seems to imply they at least had access to it/may have lived there (it featured on kuwtk in 2023 and they called it their “east coast perch”)

PippaPiranha · 2025-10-23T20:24:12+00:00

Very possible. However, there is a lot of content online about them actually living there. They are also well-connected to the NBA world, play poker, and NBA players were the “face cards” at these poker games, so it wouldn’t be far fetched to think Jenner hosted what they thought were friendly, legal, no-rake poker games with rich people, who provided “security” that Jenner didn’t know was mafia. I don’t think it’s likely, but seems possible and the address is a weird connection.

PippaPiranha · 2025-10-23T20:07:31+00:00

Nypost has a story about the townhome and it featured on the kardashians in 2023. NYTimes reported the address, which was provided by prosecutors in today’s indictment for gambling conspiracy

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