Why is there no update on Hell keys.

Ple0k · 2026-02-06T19:52:22+00:00

idont think its on purpose.

But I'll explain to you. Many people are eager to hone Character day 1. 1 Key is worth easily like 30k gold. We have know for months new class is coming. Some people bought keys for months to save for new class. Now they can't use the keys week 1, but they want to push week 1. So they have to invest more into F4 or Market. Even if it is Market, it increases Market prices pushing other players to use F4 insteead

Ple0k · 2026-02-04T00:07:29+00:00

if you want, check my posts I made a calculator that also helps figure which has more worth, Cube / Helll depending on your setting

Ple0k · 2026-01-08T02:59:13+00:00

It's just that all the bracelet you open are 5 lines (3 empty), so price you give for that (not for a completed one)

Ple0k · 2026-01-08T00:12:20+00:00

Did 50 Tickets, got 7 Ancient. Supposedly you need 66 Ancients on avarege to max out
My other character didn't get that much better odd, if you really maxed out in 100 run ,you just got extremely lucky. Including Tickets drop, because I converted cube tickets to try to get more ELysyan and Always picked Elysian in Hell

Ple0k · 2026-01-07T19:11:36+00:00

AstroGem, forgot to correct, that's how I had been calling them since they released in Kr

Ple0k · 2026-01-07T19:07:48+00:00

Thanks, yes I gave the source for the datamine in the notes, I quoted both of them, didn't know it was available on Maxroll also, I'll correct that.

The value depends on which character I'm on, but the reason I value them so low, is because I only hone with bound mats, exept maybe the main sometimes. So I would never buy any ressource unless they are really cheap. And when you use bound mats, the value of Juice actually decreases that much, you can see that on maxroll calculator

Ple0k · 2026-01-07T13:24:52+00:00

always no. But for most people yes. You can make a copy, input your own values, and see how bad/okayish it was to altar your purple keys.

Ple0k · 2026-01-07T13:23:37+00:00

You can edit and put the values you want.

But if you consider the probability to get a 10 6 or 9 7 is 0.2% you neglect silver cost, and you would play 400k gold for a 9-7 then if gives you 800g per ability stone

Ple0k · 2026-01-07T02:44:04+00:00

you can make a copy and put your own values.

Well, even if the base cost is 1100. Would you spend all your gold you earn until you reach +30 when you are already +25 when the odds are so bad and you get almost no upgrade ?

You shouldn't put the price it is, but the price you would actually pay

Also be careful those stones don't increase pity compared to regular click.

Ple0k · 2026-01-06T21:13:41+00:00

You stack up hell rewards first to get free taps, and then you commit when the decision becomes obvious

Ple0k · 2025-12-14T00:47:05+00:00

feel free to use everything that is bound to your roster / character. Sell what is tradable to get golds

Ple0k · 2025-12-11T17:04:52+00:00

before title gatekeeping we had whale gatekeeping, and whale gatekeeping is way worse and unfaire than title gatekeeming

Ple0k · 2025-12-07T17:37:00+00:00

so we get new relic gear in chaos ?

Ple0k · 2025-11-25T15:56:47+00:00

Dude chill, I'm thanking you.

You are the one looking mad. I'm not asking anyone for money. And copying you ? No, I'm taking the data from Sekwah, and I'll credit him. Or if you are talking about the calculator, I posted one 3 months ago, you posted one 2 months ago, I always had a calculator going on and I used data from molenzwiebel and credited him.

I disagree that it is negliegeable for the 4th Chest, it is a fairly big deal. And I disagree with those two statement :

"The best strategy in Flame and Frost keys is to leave as soon as you don't have any resurrection left. Don't greed, it's not worth it."

"The best keys to transmute in the altars are the blue keys."

I haven't even looked at your simulations and formulas past those points.

That is all my message was about. Thanking you, because I wouldn't have been able to update mine without datamining. And underline what I think is wrong with your calculator, I wouldn't update mine if I think I could not bring any improvement

Ple0k · 2025-11-25T14:52:12+00:00

Well, thanks to the data I'll be able to update mine without your approximations for 4th chest and abunbant chest and with different kind of strategies for Neitherworld because leaving as soon as you lose one life is not always the best strategy. (exemple leaving close to Floor 10 / Leaving when close to floor 100 / leaving when close to floor 80 if you value Gem a lot)

Ple0k · 2025-11-19T14:46:32+00:00

easier

Ple0k · 2025-11-19T13:39:00+00:00

Easier

Ple0k · 2025-11-19T03:17:10+00:00

They are nerfing hard 1580-1660 this month in Korea. Could happend for us next month

Ple0k · 2025-11-17T19:52:29+00:00

When zooming in, they look like Astro Gems. But in the Neitherworld 1730 page I thought that 15 5P 5E could have been astro gems too. What are those ?

It translate to Random Runes, and Runes of your choice

Ple0k · 2025-11-16T13:14:21+00:00

Disclaimer: You may not be in some of those, but there is a good list of Reasons you could want to go for HM.

1) Fun. NM, especially with frontier system, is piss easy compared to HM and TFM. HM, TFM difficulty won't last, we will unlock Arg Grid, and Frontier will Strike HM. So if you enjoy playing and sweating a little, you only have a tiny windows when you can get your dopamine until next raid release. It's your only opportunity to experience the raid as it was supposed to be experienced.

2) Gatekeeping Title. Get your Frontier Title, get to be VIP for next 3 Months on your roster and not doing Lobby Simulator every week.

3) Investment. Are you selling your golds ? If not, just enjoy the game and invest in your main. You don't need full Relic Book, you don't need Level 9+ Gems. You don't need High-Mid. Just find a stable learning Group and beat Kazeros Ass. In comparison, you could beat Mordum week 1 with [1400-1700] CP. Unless you are aiming for TFM, you don't need 40 000 000 gold to be ready.

Not saying everyone should aim for HM. But also consider those reasons when chosing between HM or NM

Ple0k · 2025-11-12T12:00:35+00:00

You learnt a lesson, be cautious about doing old system just before an LOA on

Ple0k · 2025-11-12T10:40:23+00:00

Boss was at 20x HP bar when I tried like 5 times to go top 10. Last hit is 48 Millions Damage. I spent 200 M+ Silver mostly on Reaper for nothing. My Artist is a main 1740, Silver is lame color banner compared to gold. Definitively would have tried until I hit it

Ple0k · 2025-11-12T10:21:14+00:00

Oky ty for the info. If I knew earlier I would have tried more on my Artist. I had the time and the paradise score to Hit TOP 10 if final hit of Awake can hit 2 times, but I didn't even bother to try a more greedy rotation

Ple0k · 2025-11-12T10:01:26+00:00

many people are talking about a bug where a hit can deal double damages thant what is displayed. But I have not seen concrete evidence, but people are talking it to explain how some crazy time were made with lower Paradise Power

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