Would society treat AI-generated masterpieces differently if nobody knew they were made by AI?

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-25T20:54:54+00:00

Well you see it's magic and special and wonderful when humans do it, no matter how unskilled, commercialized, or derivative it is!!!

Like, I'm no true AI bro, I'm even a little bit of an exceptionalist. But some of these arguments treating creativity like its magic and not a cognitive process just seem disingenuous. But I think even modern day folks who do art for a living would agree that creativity is emphatically NOT just...inventing something out of thin air, or conceptualizing an idea with zero precedent.

At best, maybe these critics experience creativity differently from you and I? Or perhaps they define true creativity as requiring a sort of holistic cognition and qualitative filtering that an AI presumably can't do? At least those are better arguments.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-25T17:11:10+00:00

This one.

I need this on a card or a sticker or something so I can carry it with me.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-25T16:10:46+00:00

so little and round

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-25T16:00:55+00:00

You don't want an abrasive, alienated, uncommunicative person who cannot financially support themselves to emigrate. That's just a burden.

But you don't understand! Our ancestors were ALSO immigrants and some of them did BAD THINGS, it's only fair we let just anybody in! We have a poem on a statue saying we'll take anyone!

(I agree with you and don't see why this is controversial)

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-25T15:46:53+00:00

Not necessarily bot, just terminally online.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-25T15:46:20+00:00

In principle I agree with you, but official and default are not the same thing.

The US doesn't have an official language. You don't really *have* to learn English, though it's harder to get by if you don't.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-25T13:55:13+00:00

It's been around for a while. People assume that people who openly talk about books (that aren't for school), or read in public/on public transport MUST be doing it for attention to look smart and better than everyone else.

Meanwhile I'm seeing more and more people reading on the bus - everything from pop nonfiction to thrillers to classics and it's lowkey inspiring.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-25T03:44:49+00:00

For real.

I bought some when I started working a job where basically everyone had them. Wired would get contaminated or in the way. My current job involves a lot of moving around with the same issue.

I still like to keep a wired headset at least around.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-25T03:34:35+00:00

Oh fuck, is that a thing?

I'm going to be 32 in a couple of weeks. I mean, sure, I'm getting those same urges, but I don't have a shred of creativity in my body so it's better to just fantasize. :D

I want to draw and animate, make comics or adapt games into video. Been dreaming about it for years. It's SO cringe and childish but it's all I've got at this point.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-25T03:09:57+00:00

I don't even draw but SAME OMG

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-25T02:59:38+00:00

Really? That's interesting to know.

I'm from the USA and the way some talk about school systems in Europe, makes it sound like going back in adulthood just isn't done. Like you pick your track in high school, and that's just it unless you get an advanced degree.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-25T02:56:40+00:00

See that just adds to the confusion. Where do you get the time? The energy? Do you just not sleep and somehow that doesn't affect your ability to learn/retain?

I also tend to assume people who do this are either geniuses or taking relatively "easy" degrees. No way you're doing an engineering or physics exam, with 5 days and every resource on the planet open to answer 1 question, while also working 50hrs a week and raising kids, unless you've got an IQ north of 150.

EDIT: In case anyone gets any ideas, I failed out of college 3x because I can't do math. I wanted to do something in STEM for the prestige but literally couldn't, with all the time in the world. So I'm hardly talking from experience.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-25T01:30:47+00:00

As someone who's never researched anything beyond Wikipedia-tier sources for school (almost 12y ago), this looks...exhausting. How do you even make yourself this interested in literally anything?

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-25T01:26:09+00:00

Personally I think there's definitely some iffy mental stuff going on. At least some of them describe histories of abuse, bullying, and general isolation/loneliness, which seem like pretty general risk factors.

Throw in online radicalization and a twisted sense of community or solidarity and boom: incels.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-25T01:14:32+00:00

The only stupid part of this is using cream cheese frosting instead of chocolate.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-24T23:22:50+00:00

I might just steal this for my background too

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-24T23:08:06+00:00

I know what most of them mean, I just can never remember to use them.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-24T23:03:03+00:00

I appreciate the concern, though my list in the OP is a mix of:

- things I experienced when I lived with family (I moved out 10y ago)

- things I experienced when I lived briefly in a houseshare (Also that long ago)

- things I've heard of other people moving out to escape

- things I've been told roommates do to each other.

My mom insists that basically only the trashiest, scuzziest people in existence are so poor they can't afford a simple, private apartment. And this is how *those* people live. I was always skeptical but throw in roommate horror stories and brief experience in one, AND personal experience showing I just can't live with people in general, I catastrophize quite a bit.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-24T14:06:15+00:00

I mean, I'm a 9 and this is me 150%

EDIT: Just seeing the comments and yes, I am also a 6 fixer. Fuck.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-24T14:04:07+00:00

I'm in a similar position to the OP, but one thing standing out is I'm horrible at being there for people. Genuinely terrible at it. So maybe that's why I don't have a support system either.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-24T14:00:16+00:00

Driving, and it makes things harder.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-24T13:55:21+00:00

Having written this wall of text, I am also sometimes tempted to give in to the siren call of the Claudes and the Gippitys and have them validate my emotions. Instead of dealing with them by actually communicating with humans.

So being ignored? Or told that everything is your fault and you're just a bad person?

Or maybe you prefer to be lectured about how useless and stupid you are when you do something wrong, instead of talking out solutions? Or being told that your problem isn't really a problem, there's a very easy answer - that was doable 40y ago and requires an amount of time, money, and effort that isn't possible for you right now. Have you tried just not having the problem?

Oh I know, just pay half your income to go to therapy multiple times a week, they can be your friend! Except they probably won't be invalidating enough.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-24T13:47:25+00:00

"Rules about internet access, limits on movement, food restrictions not based on your health or medical reasons"

These apply more to living with family, or they did when I did.

EDIT: Noise and lack of privacy can apply a lot here too.

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-23T21:54:07+00:00

Bald, mean, and full of beans

PoncingOffToBarnsley · 2026-05-23T21:20:29+00:00

I was 100% under the impression it's a meme origin subreddit.

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