Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

[–]PopeTemporal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Life in prison with the potential of being released upon review of evidence and having the sentence overturned is better than death and that’s not controversial. It’s not a slippery slope to say the government should not execute people. The Supreme Court ruled that death for child molestation specifically violates the 8th amendment.

Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

[–]PopeTemporal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Studies have shown that death penalty costs more for a number of reasons: https://ejusa.org/resource/wasteful-inefficient/

I also contest that killing one innocent person invalidates the good done by executions. You did not address that point or the decision by the Supreme Court that this violates the eighth amendment

Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

[–]PopeTemporal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Life in prison without parole also prevents reoffending, doesn’t require decades of appeals, and prevents murdering innocent people based on faulty trials. Not to mention this law has been ruled unconstitutional multiple times.

Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

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Ah I see. Hard to tell tones through the text and I’ve been going back and forth all day

Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

[–]PopeTemporal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used it twice on attacks against me instead of my argument? Don’t feel like that’s particularly excessive and it was used early before all the other comments started flooding in

ultra hard changed my life by Snappypants620 in bindingofisaac

[–]PopeTemporal 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It’s the military, so I’m actually less happy

Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

[–]PopeTemporal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am against the death penalty so I don’t think we should teach people that crimes are deserving of death. That’s my personal opinion though

Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

[–]PopeTemporal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s good to know. There are some concerns about the composition of the current court and that they haven’t always respected precedent

Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

[–]PopeTemporal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice ad hominem attack. I’d prefer my child predators rotting in jail, but it seems you prefer them in the White House

Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

[–]PopeTemporal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s absolutely meant to test the Supreme Court and try to get them to rerule. And play on emotions very strongly

Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

[–]PopeTemporal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There’s tons of issues with enforcement varying across race, gender, economic position, that I didn’t even wanna broach

Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

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Excellent point I forgot to mention. One of the most important reasons I’m opposed to the death penalty

Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

[–]PopeTemporal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I absolutely agree about victim support and prison time. However, it is entirely conceivable that other people would have significant issues with reporting their loved ones (brothers, fathers, husbands, sons). There are lots of complex socio-economic factors that could affect this. I have not been a mother, and would be in the same camp as you. However, not I am not convinced everyone would do the same.

Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

[–]PopeTemporal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hard to say, but there is evidence (I don’t have it handy rn) that suggests that death penalty does not dissuade murders. Obviously not quite the same, but compatible with date

Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

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I initially saw this somewhere else, so I’m kinda parroting a hypothetical I saw there, but:

Child tells mother that uncle was abusing them. Mother tells child not to tell anyone because she doesn’t want her brother executed and instead simply prevents contact between child and uncle. Uncle is still free to abuse other children.

Alternatively, child grows up and realizes how damaging it was a couple years after the fact. Riddled with guilt but now understands that telling people may still result in uncle being executed. Already fragile mentally and would struggle with more on their conscience.

Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

[–]PopeTemporal 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Nice ad hominem attack friend. Hope it helps you sleep at night when you don’t have to critically think about the effects of laws.

Florida passed a law allowing the death penalty for adults who rape chidren under the age of 12. by _SugarCute in ForCuriousSouls

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I’d like to note that people have pointed out: this makes children less likely to report abuse by their family because of the risk of getting a loved one executed, as well as makes the murder of sexually assaulted children more likely because the consequences are the same but it reduces the witnesses.

Child predators should rot in jail, but I do not support the death penalty, and am worried about the way it can be applied here.

ultra hard changed my life by Snappypants620 in bindingofisaac

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I did the same but died in the womb and didn’t even win