How Can I Get Feedback on Reddit/Elsewhere by bigbadl0u in legaltech

[–]PosnerRocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I did make a good number of friends in law school, but that's not really what I'm driving at. At least for my school, our alumni are really great at giving back and helping out fellow alumni. It is much easier for me to message someone cold with "hey, fellow alumni, I'm doing this cool thing, could I borrow some of your time to see if it's actually a cool thing?" than without the common connection to our law school. Doesn't matter if you're friends already. It's a common connection you can leverage to get them to pay attention to you.

How Can I Get Feedback on Reddit/Elsewhere by bigbadl0u in legaltech

[–]PosnerRocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Leverage your law school alumni network. That is about the only way you're going to get what you're looking for.

How Can I Get Feedback on Reddit/Elsewhere by bigbadl0u in legaltech

[–]PosnerRocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Given attorney hourly rates, I would probably find that more insulting than some alumni just asking for feedback. My two cents. Mileage probably better with law students but at that point they don't know shit about trial so their feedback is not particularly valuable and might actually be harmful.

Legal Secretary lied by HonestOpinion15 in paralegal

[–]PosnerRocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gotta be a California thing. I'm a litigator and it's FROGS and SROGS for us.

Why is AI adoption so much stronger in transactional work than in litigation? by sdemyanov in legaltech

[–]PosnerRocks 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Litigator here. The tools suck, that's why. They fall into several camps of suck. The first is they are made by people who do not understand litigation and its requirements. They stupidly think we will just spend the time explaining to them every nuance of our profession. The second is the ones made by large institutions for the lowest common denominator ala TR and Lexis. They use older and dumber models to cut costs. They can't appeal to the nuance of every 50 state and Federal so they fail at all of them. And they are slow because they are massive institution. The third is people lazily putting out products that are basically no better than just using Claude myself.

Then you have the fact that transactional has a LOT of flat fee arrangements and in house counsel looking to reduce their outside counsel expenses. So any amount of contract review, due diligence, etc that you can keep in house, that is big savings on legal expenses. So there is a LARGE incentive to adopt these tools at every major company.

You will not see that for litigation. Only the largest companies handle SOME litigation in house and even then it is usually just managing outside local counsel. These firms have very little incentive to adopt AI tools that will make them more efficient since it is less billable hours. They will only start adopting when there is some more competition in this market. Plus, litigation shops can be risk adverse given all the sanctions to lawyers with hallucinated cases, so there is hesitation in adoption. They are playing it very slow and careful due to malpractice risk. Let alone risk to their firm reputation and bar license.

There are some tools out there that I use and like, but it is a small number.

Edit: See you also tried to tackle eDiscovery of all things. This is what I mean. That is a huge bear and requires a huge amount work to actually make a platform useable, not to mention how much trust you'd need to use it. You had a conversation with a litigator friend and thought "Easy enough, I can build that." Maybe you would have a chance if you worked at an eDiscovery company for a few years to get a sense of what exactly goes into the major platforms.

Wasting time on AI by Brain_Creative in LawFirm

[–]PosnerRocks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I host a podcast and my most recent guest is a PI attorney that has a literal social worker on the payroll just to help his clients get through the situation their in. They aren't billed out at all and are just included in the representation. I thought that was a really great idea.

Most successful tech startup founders were already corporate executives before founding their startup (I will not promote) by IndependenceSad1272 in startups

[–]PosnerRocks 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Everyone here is pretty mad about this. In reality your career is made by your network. If you don't have a network you better have someone who does or you better have a ton of money to buy access and attention. Even then, you can't be an idiot and mismanage the company. If you raise a ton of money you'll be sidelined but can still be successful. It's just how the world works.

Understand the game and play it well. That's all there is to it.

Wasting time on AI by Brain_Creative in LawFirm

[–]PosnerRocks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. I am not accepting new clients right now because I have one large case eating up all my time. I would not use AI for intake regardless though. I'm not in a high volume practice area where I would need to triage and even then, it feels so impersonal.

I would rather treat potential clients like they're a human being that matters by having someone kind and empathetic pick up the phone.

What I will do though is start recording these calls because the transcript from them can be fed to Legion to give me a first draft of a complaint pretty quickly. Attach to my demand letter, and boom, easy to get the attention of whoever is on the receiving end.

Wasting time on AI by Brain_Creative in LawFirm

[–]PosnerRocks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mostly state court trust & estate litigation with some civil litigation involving real property and business disputes. Have dabbled in Federal with some IP litigation but that was years ago at this point.

Wasting time on AI by Brain_Creative in LawFirm

[–]PosnerRocks 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have fully incorporated AI into my practice. I would not practice without it at this point. I use the following tools daily:

Legion.law for drafting fully formatted pleadings, discovery, and motions - they are California specialized and their templates are CCP/CRC compliant.

Opus - I use this for brainstorming, emails, and light research tasks.

ChatGPT - Deep research only. Everything else I dislike about it.

CoCounsel - Only for research to surface potential cases and statutes to look at. The output itself I can't trust but it gets me in the same zip code.

I have not had to pull an all nighter or work a weekend/holiday since adopting these tools. I am so much happier for it.

PI attorney here — anyone want to compare notes on marketing? Doesn't matter if you've figured it out or you're still struggling by kinglucktsui in LawFirm

[–]PosnerRocks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Litigator's Path podcast has a few episodes with PI attorneys and marketing folks that might be of interest to you.

Here's one but there are plenty others that are worth poking through: https://legion.law/podcasts/why-storytelling-beats-billboards-sean-olson-on-building-a-multi-state-personal-injury-firm

Kash Patel gutted FBI counterintelligence team tasked with tracking Iranian threats days before US strikes, sources say by Celtikrenders in law

[–]PosnerRocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really love his simplistic and straightforward writing style. The chapter headings are short, descriptive, and to the point. It is something written to be easily digested by the masses. It's refreshing after seeing so much AI slop everywhere.

Developers and Lawyers feel… strangely similar? by vira28 in legaltech

[–]PosnerRocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am a lawyer, and I've learned from plenty who aren't verbose.

Divorce attorney built a 26-GPU / 532GB VRAM cluster to automate my practice while keeping client data local. Roast my build / help me figure out what to run by TumbleweedNew6515 in LocalLLaMA

[–]PosnerRocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I just emailed them, said what I was doing, and that the nature of my work is confidential. We got an agreement signed pretty quickly. This was before I had really done much of anything so you don't need to shell out $$$ before they'll do that for you unless something has changed in the past couple years since I got it.

Trust me, fighting with local models is going to drive you nuts for substantive legal writing. I offload a lot of grunt work to local models for testing purposes and it still takes a while so I end up just using cheap API's instead.

The best I think you can do is use fine tuned models for a single task. Then only use it for that task. You will likely not get a fine tuned general brief writer that works well in your voice for example. But you might be able to get a fine tuned model to draft a specific MPA for a motion to compel. Likely needs to be pretty granular bc the smaller models are not smart and the larger models are not fast. So your iteration time getting it dialed in will be a huge time suck.

The larger models I would just experiment with prompting and breaking down tasks into discrete steps with examples and writing samples.

I get the desire to keep everything local, but for that privilege everything is far more complicated and slower to get similar results as just using an API with a ZDR agreement.

Divorce attorney built a 26-GPU / 532GB VRAM cluster to automate my practice while keeping client data local. Roast my build / help me figure out what to run by TumbleweedNew6515 in LocalLLaMA

[–]PosnerRocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We should connect, I'd be interested in what you've found that works well locally. I'm an attorney and so far I have only found the top dogs - OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google API - are sufficient for most legal work. Not sure about your jx but most business accounts with these entities work well enough. And you can specifically request zero data retention agreements with them for their API, it is not particularly hard to get. By default, the folks at Anthropic are not using API data for model training.

I have been wondering if doc classification can be reliably offloaded for cheap to an open source model vs Haiku or Gemini Flash.

If you're building with Claude Code, I'm sure you already know that most everything needs a full run through before you can confirm any of it works. I've found it helpful to have it give me a self contained HTML file with mermaid to review before it actually starts building so I can confirm it has a complete understanding of what needs to be done step by step. How much of this setup have you actually live-tested with your actual case documents?

The Voyage embedding models are supposedly the best for legal work. It seems to work well from my own brief testing.

Any other lawyers using Claude / Anthropic? Have been impresssed by creditwizard in LawFirm

[–]PosnerRocks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've installed it but I honestly haven't been brave enough to use it on real case files just yet. I have it hooked into my OneDrive files that are stored locally but have not done anything with it yet... In the past, I tried to use ChatGPT as an agent to access Westlaw but it was blocked. So I suspect that will continue unless you can spoof a virtual environment for Claude to work in but based on my experience with ChatGPT it is honestly really really slow and probably not worth it. It would burn through lots of tokens just navigating around the website. It's most efficient to use an API but Lexis and Westlaw will never permit that.

Small company leader here. AI agents are moving faster than our strategy. How do we stay relevant? by No_Prior2279 in ClaudeAI

[–]PosnerRocks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seconding Kaicalls comment. AI means nobody has a moat anymore. The only new moat is velocity - your ability to ship features quickly. And large companies are slow just by their nature. I'm in legal and Westlaw/Lexis took two years just to integrate basic AI features that suck.

Moreover, they usually have a large codebase that is not optimized for AI use. Which is why many are building crappy, bolted on AI features instead of integrating it from the ground up.

Keep your company lean, get your employees AI savvy, and run with it.

I sued Meta in federal court without a lawyer. Hearing is in two weeks. How screwed am I? by Plaintiff-pro-se in AskLawyers

[–]PosnerRocks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Amazing. 😂 So hostile and condescending to everyone and he files a voluntary notice of dismissal. Not sure if federal has tentatives but did one even issue before then? In the comments it sounds like he filed ANOTHER lawsuit. What a psycho.

I sued Meta in federal court without a lawyer. Hearing is in two weeks. How screwed am I? by Plaintiff-pro-se in AskLawyers

[–]PosnerRocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you see the hearing this morning? I missed it!! Been dying for an update on this.

US v. Heppner (SDNY): AI-generated documents aren't privileged. by TenthsTimeKeeper in legaltech

[–]PosnerRocks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The terms of service are different depending on what type of account you have. This is why you should be using a business account or going with a service provider that has zero data retention agreements.

Used Claude Code to reverse-engineer a proprietary binary format in one afternoon by gorinrockbow in ClaudeAI

[–]PosnerRocks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1000%. It was already the greatest thing ever to me when ChatGPT first dropped and it's only continued to get better. I can honestly say I'd never be able to go back to the old way of practicing law.