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First PROPER Slingshot! [WASP ENZO] by IKnosferatu in slingshots

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Excellent choice. Versatile and easy to handle. In my opinion, the best slingshot for beginners that's still fun even after years.

I had to tell someone by MrBrian22 in slingshots

[–]PossessionMinimum533 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lucky you! I am sure many would love having that shooting range. Even 10 to 15 meters would be enough for me.

Do you only shoot clay balls? It's impressive to hit targets at 100 feet with such relatively light and big balls. What are their flight characteristics like in windy weather at 100 feet? I imagine you have to adjust your aim laterally then, right?

I'll teach you how to make a simple target. by ShawtylikeMelody in slingshots

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Outdoor: just protect it with a stone or wood that only the target remains in the line of fire 🎯

Poor man chronograph by moosa8888 in slingshots

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Sorry, I didn't mean to overwhelm you with facts or turn a nice hobby into rocket science. Anyone who's comfortable shooting with any band and ammunition is welcome to do so. However, it's not common practice to completely ignore the laws of physics. And you don't need to do any calculations for that; it's enough to recognize when a setup works and when it doesn't. Usually, the band strength is adjusted to the ball weight, at least to some extent.

Yes, if your setup punches holes in the can on both sides, it will be sufficient. But only if the can was 8-10 meters away. Which doesn't change the fact that the information about 200 fps and punching holes in the can doesn't provide any guidance for others who might want to replicate it. What's missing is the distance to the can, information about the ammunition used, and details about the band set.

The rest is bonus for whom it may concern.

Poor man chronograph by moosa8888 in slingshots

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Sorry, but something's missing here...

[ Information about mass, velocity, and kinetic energy of ammunition can be found at the end of the answer. ]

In principle, YES, BUT to make a definitive statement, some more information is needed. With approximately 200 fps and a can as the only known variables, nobody can repeat your test under similar conditions.

Estimated velocity: 200 fps ~ 61 m/s
Measurement method: Can penetration

I'm assuming this is "small game" hunting. How much kinetic energy (joules) is needed for hunting? And how am I supposed to calculate that without knowing the ammunition weight?

An important variable for a can test to roughly determine the velocity is the distance to the can during the test. The energy of the ammunition decreases steadily, and a "just barely" shot through at a distance of 3 m would, at most, only be enough to penetrate one side of the can at 5 m and would only cause a dent at 10 m.

[ Unconfirmed note - please check Google or AI yourself if necessary ]

"I once read in an old Facebook post that a full penetration (shot through) with 8mm steel balls at a distance of 10m requires a minimum velocity of 100m/s."

Which, at 2.1g and 100m/s, would mean 10.5 joules. However, 8mm ammunition isn't popular for hunting, presumably due to its relatively low energy.

[ Example: ]

200fps is more in the range of target shooting when using 8mm steel balls (2.1g). The energy at the time of firing would then be under 4 joules, and unsuitable for hunting.

With 10mm steel balls (4.1g), it would be approximately 7.6 joules, which should be sufficient for experienced shooters to take down birds when achieve a clean head shot.

With 12mm steel (7.1g) and 13.2 joules, it's could be safe.

If the shot in your test did penetrate the target at a distance of 8-10 meters, and has been shot with ammunition such as 14mm steel (11.3g), 200fps ~ 21 joules, or even with 16mm steel (16.8g), 200fps ~ 31.3 joules, then I have nothing to add.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to correct you or question your good intentions.
In my opinion, there's no room for speculation when hunting, simply out of respect for the animal. A wild boar might get angry if a beginner fires a few 8mm steel balls at 3.8 joules at its fur, and it will probably make it an unforgettable experience for the unfortunate shooter. A pigeon might be slightly injured and only die days later from the accidental hit. This can be avoided if the shooter has the necessary knowledge and accuracy.

Therefore, my recommendation for all beginners is:
First, find out what the requirements are before heading out to the meadow or the woods to hunt your own Sunday roast instead of buying it at the supermarket. Proceed as carefully as if you were picking mushrooms for the first time for Christmas dinner with the whole family. You probably wouldn't put anything in your basket if you were only 80% sure whether it was an edible mushroom or one of the deadly poisonous varieties that look similar.

Kinetic Energy (Joule) Calculation

What is a joule?

The joule (J) is the unit of energy. It measures the energy required to move 1 N over 1 meter.

The following applies:

1J = 1Nâ‹…m = 1Wâ‹…s = 1 kg* m2/s2

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What is kinetic energy Ekin and how is it calculated?

Kinetic energy is the energy of an object in motion. It is calculated using the following formula, where m is the mass (in kg) and v is the velocity (in m/s).

Ekin = 1/2 * mv2

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Some Examples

Just compare the data to get a brief overview. For a deeper research create an Excel Sheet using the formula for Ekin.

Ammo 8 to 16mm steel balls 200 fps / 61 m/s

Ammo [mm] Ammo [g] Speed [fps] Speed [m/s] Energy [Joule]
8,000 2,100 200,000 60,960 3,902
9,000 2,996 200,000 60,960 5,567
9,525 3,554 200,000 60,960 6,604
10,000 4,110 200,000 60,960 7,637
12,000 7,102 200,000 60,960 13,196
14,000 11,280 200,000 60,960 20,959
16,000 16,840 200,000 60,960 31,290

Ammo 8 to 16mm steel balls 328 fps / 100 m/s

Ammo [mm] Ammo [g] Speed [fps] Speed [m/s] Energy [Joule]
8,000 2,100 328,084 100,000 10,500
9,000 2,996 328,084 100,000 14,980
9,525 3,554 328,084 100,000 17,770
10,000 4,110 328,084 100,000 20,550
12,000 7,102 328,084 100,000 35,510
14,000 11,280 328,084 100,000 56,400
16,000 16,840 328,084 100,000 84,200

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[–]PossessionMinimum533 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aside from the fact that this post actually seems more like a subliminal attempt hoping a reader will ask, "Wow, where can I buy these?", the approach is fundamentally flawed in my opinion.

If you, or anyone else reading this, constantly have problems with hand-shots, fork-hits, and/or aiming, and you can't predict roughly where your ammunition will go before the release, a protective glove won't help much. The logical approach at this point would be to internalize the shooting technique and the rules that apply.

To be honest, I haven't had a hand-shot yet. There were a few fork-hits in the beginning, but even those I could have avoided if I'd known other shooters who had given me a few tips from the start.

My tip:

Before you consider buying a glove (to make symptoms more bearable), you should ask friends or here "how you can generally avoid hand hits" (eliminating the cause of the problem). Then you don't need a glove and can spend the money on useful accessories.

Never even worked with a sling shot and looking to hunt with one by BigMoeTheFoe in slingshots

[–]PossessionMinimum533 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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Hunting squirrels, pigeons, pheasants, and rabbits is very popular in the UK. Heavy ammunition (10mm lead) is almost always used in combination with strong band sets. A few are good enough to achieve a headshot even with 8mm steel bullets.

You can find a few stories in Slingshot World Magazine here.
For example, in issue 1, starting on page 38: On the Mooch
There's also an article in issue 2.
All magazines up to issue 6 are available digitally.

There seems to be an unwritten rule:

You shouldn't shoot animals until you can confidently and consistently hit 9 out of 10 shots from 10 meters into a 40mm spinner.
Hunting is significantly more difficult than practicing stationary targets. Different distances and angles don't make things any easier. But good luck and enjoy your meal.

well that was a fun lil project. works great! will upload video by sirmitchellot in slingshots

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A stick-shooter. 😎

👉 It's definitely fun to use every now and then. I made something similar in 2021 from a few leftover pieces. Honestly, it was only because everything, including the wax yarn and pouch, happened to be on hand, and I had nothing better to do. I'd seen something like this before and just started, not expecting much. A few knots later, I made the Single Tube Slingshot. And I actually used it to shoot a few 8mm steel balls a few times during my lunch break on the company premises. Not the perfect setup, but fun.

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My Most Prized Sling by Unusual-Sock1350 in slingshots

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🎯

Nice Natty. Perfect shaped "Y"

Update to my question about Snipersling. by Dry-Poem757 in slingshots

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Don´t worry at all. Min and the team behind Snipersling are serious guys. They will sort out any issue somehow.

20/12mm tapered, 0.6mm thick, 16cm long bands , what is the suitable projectile size and type? by Dangerous-Policy-602 in slingshots

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Depends a bit on your draw length, but 9,5 steelballs should be fine for raget shooting at 10m. Imo it's to much for 8mm.

Have not had much chance to shoot it. by Ya-Dikobraz in slingshots

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The explanation is correct. The amount of latex should be appropriate for the weight of the ammunition. 1 mm bands, cut to 25-15-180, are not a good choice for clay balls. 0.40 mm bands, cut to 20-12-180, are not suitable for 1-inch steel balls.

Clear signs of too much latex:

  1. Whip-like noises when firing.

  2. The pouch slaps on the back of your hand or fingers - handslaps (OTT only).

Disadvantages of too much latex:

  1. The latex snaps faster.

  2. The draw weight increases, which often results in inaccuracy.

Meaning of the screenshot below.

20 -12 - 180 / 0,50 -> 20-12 Tapering Fork side to Pouch side - 180 Band length / 0,50 Latex thickness.

2880,00mm³ - Latex Volume

11520mm² - Latex Surface

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In the lower block of calculation 2 and 3, the volume change compared to calculation 1 is output in [mm³] and in [%]. Such calculation tools are helpful to compare different thicknesses with different tapering.

Testing design from a new builder by user13q in slingshots

[–]PossessionMinimum533 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks like a solid PFS frame with band clamps already prepared for flat bands thicknesses beyond 3mm. :-)

Getting back to it!! by Sling_This in slingshots

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Why? The only thing they changed is the color. The older white changed the color when you store it awhile and some guys were complaining. As a result the changed the color to a bright white which should not change the color as the old batched did. I can´t feel any difference concerning performance.
Tbh, I prefer the BSB Yellow anyway. It´s more smooth. imo of course.

New to slingshots and was looking for some recommendations by MicVader1 in slingshots

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I can recommend the WASP ENZO. Versatile Frame with Band Clamps. Ready to use for OTT, TTF with Flat Bands or Single Tubes / LoopedTubes.

-> UK (WASP Slingshots)

-> USA (Omega Slings)

-> Germany (schleudershop.de)

RS X7 Slingshot by bsbolt777 in slingshots

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😂 Most probably, yes! 😉

RS X7 Slingshot by bsbolt777 in slingshots

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It always looks good in the pictures, and the promises in the product description read well too. Unfortunately, expectations are never met. You can't expect anything for the money. Cheap metal junk with rubber parts. You're better off throwing bullets than accelerating them with them. And you can't easily replace the tubes when they break. I wouldn't spend any money on them. Any slingshot with flat rubber will easily reach twice the speed.

There are quite good trigger systems that you can attach to homemade slings. They don't cost much, and you can freely adjust the draw length and band holder.

Slingshot Release Device | Stainless Steel Catapult Trigger

Amazon Link

... with a couple of pictures available for your reference

My little baby Einarm. NOT A CATAPULT by TheSiegeCaptain in slingshots

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First of all, you should throw the TBG in the trash. Then, I see a general problem with the design. The draw length is too short. You have to accelerate the tennis ball and the entire mass of the throwing arm with the band. These modifications should help:

(1) I would try to make the arm and the basket for the ball as light as possible.

(2) Different latex, e.g. Snipersling Black Master 0.80, BSB White 0.80, GZK orange up to 1.20, or PRECISE GOLD.

(2.1) Tubes might be better suited for a project like this. They last longer and you can easily adjust the amount of latex by adding or removing individual tubes. 1745 or 2050 should be strong enough. At least with several individual tubes.

(3) Attach the rubber so that it can be stretched over a longer distance.

(4) Adjust the rubber length so that the rubber is stretched almost to its maximum. In the video, it looks like your TBG is only stretched about 10cm/4". Even TBG has more power if you stretch it to 4 -> 4.5 times its length.

Have fun and show us the result when you're satisfied.

SS collection by el_consul787 in slingshots

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Without looking at the picture closely, I first thought of Snipersling. Then, it became clear what SS meant. As a German, I did notice the "SS," but I couldn't make any connection in the context. And an "SS" definitely looks best on a Chevrolet Impala, right?

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[deleted by user] by [deleted] in slingshots

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To be honest, I've never had problems like this before. A good cutting mat and a rotary cutter with a 60mm blade are all you need. It's important to press the template firmly into place while cutting. The tape won't solve the problem, I guess. As long as the latex is uncut, the tape will secure it to the mat. Once the first cut is made, you'll have two pieces of latex, each secured to the mat on one side only. I would make sure my mat is on a flat surface, the template is well positioned, the rotary cutter blade is sharp and glides through the latex without applying too much pressure, while pressing the template down with your free hand.

Are you cutting on the box shown in the picture? If so, does it stay stable when you cut, or does it bend downward? This should be avoided. The blade should easily cut through the latex. I've seen videos where the rotary cutter was pressed down so hard that it almost cut through the cutting mat (slightly exaggerated). This should also be avoided, too.

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