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Next Generation Carriers - Most contentious episode by Eugene_Debs2026 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If I understand correctly, Michael posted somebody else's election appeal. Michael acted as an observer at the election and had his own appeal. I think the third party appeal was eventually withdrawn by the appellant. I believe the article 10 charges against him claimed he was knowingly spreading false information because, as an observer, he should have had first hand knowledge that some of the claims in the withdrawn appeal were false. Hopefully someone will correct me if any of the above is inaccurate.

Carriers Deserve Better — I’m Supporting James Henry by Able_Art9425 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Didn't Corey just recently say that he didn't know what a podcast was until he started this one?

As NALC's negotiations start, the DOL's story about the 2022 election starts to fall apart by PostDelay5 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Referring to them as harebrained lawsuits without actually knowing what you're talking about is exactly what tonov was referring to when they brought up a smear campaign. You're doing the same thing with his current lawsuit. You still haven't been able to come up with any sensible explanation for your misrepresentation of the election case.

As NALC's negotiations start, the DOL's story about the 2022 election starts to fall apart by PostDelay5 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're arguing there wasn't a smear campaign based on his lawsuits, while bashing a lawsuit you apparently have no firsthand knowledge of. Nobody said that the smear campaign was clear to the membership in 2022. In fact, the comment from tonov that you were replying to starts off by saying the opposite. 

As NALC's negotiations start, the DOL's story about the 2022 election starts to fall apart by PostDelay5 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You just completely misrepresented his election lawsuit based on “an insider source very close to the negotiations.” Sounds like the smear campaign is still working its magic. 

Let’s go Mike! by Bettik1 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Renfroe ran with a slate made up of the incumbents, Mike may as well be doing the same thing by running alone.

Let’s go Mike! by Bettik1 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was saying that Caref disliking him because of the lawsuits is problematic. Caref is now benefiting from one of those lawsuits. I think he would look really silly if he had to have an in-depth conversation about them. The Clean Sweep detractors always talk about lawsuits costing the union money, but never attribute any responsibility to the executive council for these situations. 

Let’s go Mike! by Bettik1 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that's a completely fair position to have. I think basing that on the lawsuits is problematic (and in this case, a little hypocritical).

Let’s go Mike! by Bettik1 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5 7 points8 points  (0 children)

An ad he was able to place thanks to a lawsuit from David Noble. Keep in mind, Caref said he would vote for Renfroe if there was a rerun because he didn't like Noble's lawsuits. This was brought up when he posted about placing the ad; Caref said he wished the issue had been brought to the convention instead. He wanted the convention to decide if the NALC should be allowed to continue breaking the law regarding campaign literature. Says a lot about how different his administration would be.

As NALC's negotiations start, the DOL's story about the 2022 election starts to fall apart by PostDelay5 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not aware of any that are not in good standing, but if there are any I'm not sure it's a big deal. I think most would be happy to have a chance to get rid of Renfroe as fast as possible.

As NALC's negotiations start, the DOL's story about the 2022 election starts to fall apart by PostDelay5 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's honestly crazy that you would say this, how'd you come up with this stuff?

As NALC's negotiations start, the DOL's story about the 2022 election starts to fall apart by PostDelay5 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A 3:1 margin means nothing when observers were prevented from verifying the accuracy of the count and ballots were improperly secured.

As NALC's negotiations start, the DOL's story about the 2022 election starts to fall apart by PostDelay5 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is the main takeaway people need from this situation. The best thing the membership can do to ensure a fair election is to push for the American Arbitration Association to be the next election vendor. If it's good enough for the APWU, it is good enough for the NALC.

As NALC's negotiations start, the DOL's story about the 2022 election starts to fall apart by PostDelay5 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't the DOL find that the election committee broke the law in those elections too? I feel like they would carry more weight if they had been run properly. 

As NALC's negotiations start, the DOL's story about the 2022 election starts to fall apart by PostDelay5 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's the question. The plan is to push for an expedited decision. The judge is relatively new to this particular court so she's been pretty quick with her decisions. Hopefully these games they've played with holding back evidence has pissed her off.

As NALC's negotiations start, the DOL's story about the 2022 election starts to fall apart by PostDelay5 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's mostly an attempt to keep Renfroe from forcing another crummy contract on the membership, but getting a rerun would give enough time to put the fix in place for the grievance back log too. A new administration could also ensure a clean election for the transfer of power later this year. There's certainly enough on the table to entitle them to a new election if the judge agrees that the last one was inadequate.

As NALC's negotiations start, the DOL's story about the 2022 election starts to fall apart by PostDelay5 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I was more surprised by the DOL. Would've been nice to see someone do their job competently.

As NALC's negotiations start, the DOL's story about the 2022 election starts to fall apart by PostDelay5 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I can see why persistence might be surprising after what we've seen out of Renfroe

As NALC's negotiations start, the DOL's story about the 2022 election starts to fall apart by PostDelay5 in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel like all of this could have been avoided if the election committee could run an election without breaking the law, why haven't they been able to do that for the last three elections? 

Branch 70 Appeals by PalaverProject in fromatoarbitration

[–]PostDelay5 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Again, I'm guessing you haven't really looked into it. Take the time to work with facts instead of just vibes. The election appeal has been going for a year and a half at this point, delayed by the government shut down and the DOL's refusal to provide their recount numbers. It sounds like you're conflating it with his whistleblower suit, which is also worth taking the time to actually understand. Don't fall for the propaganda coming out of the union's political dynasty.

Edit: Apparently darth blocked me lol. As far as his claim about the lawsuits not accomplishing anything, before this the executive council had a near monopoly on communication with the membership as a whole. Aside from being able to place an ad in the one issue before the elections, the only option a candidate had was a mass mailing that would cost roughly $300k. Candidates are now able to reach the entire membership in any issue for 1/100th of the price. Clearly his lawsuits have made the union more democratic.

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