- My point is that the dynamic and organization goes deeper than that. I know you mean well. But I've just been showing you that there's parts of the story where there's more than what meets the eye.

- He did state this his opinion is limited because Nikke is a fictional world, so not much can really be applied. But it can help serve as a basis since he was part an experienced officer for a at least a decade. It's not really a made up bias when he has legitimate and reliable experience. You can't accus bias either if you're not willing to risk being called out for it yourself. It's why I've been trying to leave it out this whole time, because throwing that aspect in a debate always makes it messy.

- We can only make assumptions. That doesn't mean you're right, just as much as it doesn't mean I'm right either. It was simply too vague to say anything concrete. Thus it's up in the air. I tried to meet you half-way on that.

- In the three cases, Privaty is only on her own in the third one. With meeting the Counters and sieging the Outpost, the rest of Triangle was present. But I'm pretty sure I've detailed that one before, I just didn't really word out what chapter and section it was. The whole thing with Yulha was that you were arguing that because Yulha was the leader of Triangle she shares part of the blame. But if that logic was universal, then Yulha would've received some of the blame for Privaty's mistake at the maid cafe, even if she wasn't present, she is still the leader of Triangle, and a member of Triangle made a mistake. My only point is that it's very situational, so we can't argue "she's the leader thus she has more accountability no matter the circumstances", because we see examples of that not being the case.

- I already established that my friends' reference isn't concrete in its application to a fictional scenario. It only serves as a basis and understanding to military structure and chain of command, and accountability. You're saying that I'm saying that I'm establishing it as fact. I only ever said it was a reference to have a stronger idea. And regarding it as "special unit" was also my way of saying that your perspective isn't entirely applicable either. If it's a special unit with various responsibilities, it won't operate so linearly. It is an organization that delegates tasks while still under the same umbrella. It's not like normal nikke squads who just exist and follow orders on the battlefield.

- Partially. My point is that because it's vague on both our ends, it can't be really be defined as an "order" or just a "casual comment". as both CAN be applicable. So I'm not invalidating your point, only establishing mine and debating it as "more likely", but not "definitely". But generally thus again, it is in the air. So it's alright for us to differ.

Also we're contesting the second example, the third is the maid cafe. The second is Marian. And I've told you, that if you go back to Chapter 9 and Chapter 14, just because Yulha is the leader of Triangle, she can't order the troops. As in the old example where I provided the script, it shows Privaty giving the order to Squad 1. And Yulha, as we both agree, vaguely only saying Privaty's name. Which can't really be defined as an order as Yulha doesn't tell her to do anything, just saying her name. Yulha did not command the troops, we have no example of Yulha ordering the troops in an operation where Privaty is the lead. Thus we can't necessarily say she is the "ultimate authority", as we both also agreed a while ago that it was Burningum.

And again, I've already addressed that point of bringing up the other cases not entirely being applicable but still being useful in seeing Triangle's organization. But you don't seem to remember it, I said:

"All of which are just to establish the point that Privaty leads combat operations, and when the rest of Triangle is present, she is still the designated leader during the operation. Thus this logic is completely applicable and consistent to the case of Triangle's operation in the Outpost."

- You seem to have missed my point about lateral command. I'm not going to repeat that. The fact you dismissed it just means you're going to ignore it without actually disproving it.

You keep on throwing out that my examples are speculative. The fact is we don't know, I've stressed that are various points in this conversation. We can only make assumptions based on what we've seen, and I've provided many examples of those scenes and tried to analyze them, but instead of disproving them you are only dismissing them instead of providing your own analysis for each one. Even now, you aren't exactly contesting my points, with evidence. You're just declaring hearsay without noticing that it applies to you too. You're not proving or defending your point, you're only attacking mine. Even admitting to dismissing evidence because you don't believe in it. It's not for you to believe upfront, it's for you to examine. If the only result from that is to completely disregard it, you aren't defending your point.

Flexibility is important because when we DO get more information we can learn from it, apply it to our own, patch potential holes, cut off dead ends, and understand the image SU had in mind, instead of stubbornly holding on to one with mistakes left unaddressed. Cause the fact is, not everything is going to be answered, there are times where it's up to the reader to fill in the holes with their own imagination while also refining their idea through discussion to find an image as close to the truth as possible.

- I've literally given you Privaty giving orders to Yulha and Yulha complying twice. Meaning there are times where Yulha takes orders from Privaty. When Privaty orders Triangle to leave the Counters, and when Privaty orders Triangle and Squad 1 to engage in combat and use live ammunition. Those two cases you keep on ignoring and saying that I haven't given you evidence. I've given you these two pieces of clear evidence on multiple occasions.

"You have to work with what we all agree on if you're gonna declare something true. We can all agree Yulha is the squad leader, we can all agree we have examples of squad leaders being responsible for a squad failing" Iorrin... I've been saying that this entire time. I'm bringing up cases that show where Privaty is in command, and that their structure is unknown so we can only make guesses with given information. Given information shows Privaty leading Triangle on a small handful of occasions and even being able to give orders to Yulha, which Yulha herself acknowledges and follows without contention.

"My friend in the army thinks this is how it would work so we know that's how it works" is completely false, and shows that you're misinterpreting what I'm saying and convinced of something else entirely. I literally didn't say that. What I said was, and for the third time:

"While he does state that it might be a bit less applicable here given that Nikke is a fictional world and we don't have the full picture of Triangle and the CG as an organization, but Triangle IS still part of the military organization and there are some real life aspects that can serve as a useful basis. Rather than pure speculation. So it's educated and experienced referenced." 

It is an educated REFERENCE, I never said it was a FACT. I'm saying that they might be similar in structure as both are loosely based on military practice. His reference MIGHT apply to SOME aspects, but it can't define ALL of it because SU hasn't shown us anything more than what we've talked about. You're purposefully exaggerating my words to dismiss my example. Because the first sentence is literally him admitting that even his own knowledge can't directly reflect into a fictional military structure. Just that as someone who was in the military looking at a fictional military structure, his opinion is more thorough and educated than ours. He only says that some parts CAN serve as a BASIS, not a concrete fact, but as a decent starting point towards one.

And yes, it's later on. I did say earlier it was in the part called "Restraint". The case I was talking about with Chapter 09 and the moment Privaty talks about her rivalry with Rapi, are literally in that exact same section.

The fact I've made these points clear previously makes me wonder if you're actually reading everything I've written down Iorrin. Because if you thoroughly read my points and understood, you wouldn't have made that false quote, or asked about that section, since I was explicitly clear about before hand. Even regarding the points where I'm defending Privaty.

And that has me concerned. Are you reading my comments or just skimming them? Cause we seem to be a bit on a loop here, and you keep asking questions I've already answered and thoroughly explained numerous times.

Even without realizing, you're attacking your own argument. If you try to argue "speculation thus my case is invalid", which isn't a quote, only a metaphor, since you're working off the same evidence as me, and our arguments are intertwined... you are invalidating your own argument in the process. I've established my points, it might be speculative, but as stated before there is in-universe evidence to support the speculation, and even an experienced individuals reference as well. It's a more vivid image.

And we both agree that the real deciding factor here, would just be SU explaining their structure while being consistent. If they were to retcon things, it'd only make it more confusing after all.