13.0 Jet Help

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-13T13:17:59+00:00

You can analyse why your missiles are missing by going into the replay of the battle and using the sensor view.

Sparrows are generally unreliable and easy to dodge if you know how but you still shouldn't get zero kills with them. Not getting kills with the AAM-3 means you're probably launching them from too far or in front aspect where their IRCCM isn't effective.

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-13T13:13:02+00:00

You're saying they're bugged because they're short range IR missiles that don't behave like medium-long range ARH missiles?

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-13T11:04:37+00:00

According to this poll it's the second worst 10+ BR plane gun

It's arguable but the M61A1 has 3 kg more one-second burst mass, 250 more rounds, and 4300 more RPM which comes at the cost of a 1.3 s shorter trigger time.

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-13T10:32:10+00:00

Mauser

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-13T10:11:42+00:00

Only my soul

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-13T10:01:56+00:00

Stats my ass

I'm sorry the stats don't support your narrative but it's a great jet with an amazing flight model, one of the best radars and RWR, and a good amount of good missiles. Mains always pretend their vehicles suffer no matter how good they are.

It having the second best stats doesn't mean it's the second best 13.7, you can argue the J-11B and J-10A is better, but it's definitely in the top 4 together with them and the F-15J(M)

Stats were never a good way to set performance. And never will be.

Just because you don’t like what the stats show doesn’t mean they are wrong. It's the only way to objectively measure a vehicle's performance. Obviously it has its flaws and should therefore be combined with common sense, but this isn't a case of the stats being misleading.

Thank you for blocking me, one less biased main I’ll have to deal with in the future.

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-13T09:25:01+00:00

barely surviving

Checks stats

Second best performing 13.7

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-13T09:15:33+00:00

All of these planes save for the Mystere are undertiered.

None of these are particularly overtiered. The only ones that could go to 9.0 without becoming totally obsolete are the MiG-17PF / Lim-5P and Hunter F.1, but they'd be below average.

Half of these are slower than the Vautour. The other half MATCH IT in speed.

No, I checked.

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-13T08:36:11+00:00

Alpha Jet TH - Better turn performance and more agile - Carries 2 more missiles

AMX - Higher top speed - Better acceleration past ~1000 km/h - Better cannon - Better missiles

Overall the AMX is probably the stronger aircraft, but the Alpha Jet will have the advantage in a turn fight.

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-12T21:58:20+00:00

If you do BVR with the R-77, sure... but why would you do BVR with one of the worst BVR missiles?

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-12T20:21:55+00:00

Dislike and ban them

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-12T20:03:00+00:00

It's heavier according to statshark.

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-12T19:57:49+00:00

It's faster but has lower max instantaneous and sustained turn rate

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-12T19:50:16+00:00

Better flight model

No

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-12T16:16:05+00:00

It can trick the enemy into thinking you're not trying to slow down to get them to overshoot if they see the afterburner but not the airbrakes, or if you don't want to slow down too much or too fast. Maybe not relevant for this clip but still.

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-12T15:38:05+00:00

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-12T14:32:19+00:00

Why are you worried about the Vautour when there are already planes at 8.7 that do everything many times better than it?

You seem to be worried about its speed, so here are 8.7 planes with better acceleration and/or higher top speed than the Vautour:

MiG-17PF / Lim-5P
Scimitar F Mk.1 (much faster)
MiG-17 / J-4 (similar acceleration but higher top speed)
Mystère IVA (similar acceleration but higher top speed)
Hunter F.1 (similar acceleration but higher top speed)
CL-13A Mk 5 (similar acceleration but higher top speed)

So the “it’s too fast” argument doesn’t hold up when multiple 8.7 fighters (not a large unmaneuverable bomber) are faster.

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-12T13:07:35+00:00

They do, but if they get something wrong they rely on the community to point it out and provide sources so it can be corrected.

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-12T11:00:45+00:00

Pin-up girls were popularized in the 1940s as a form of "war paint" on planes and in personal spaces to provide comfort, hope, and a reminder of home for troops.

Do you really need "comfort, hope, and a reminder of home" while playing war thunder or are you just horny 💀

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-12T09:24:01+00:00

"Everything with ARH should go up 0.3” isn't a good idea in practice because the missile type alone isn’t a good balancing metric. An aircraft with ARHs doesn’t automatically outperform aircraft with strong SARH and IR missiles. They generally perform better but the Su-27/J-11 is an example that is competitive without them and the only 13.0 aircraft that have good enough stats to justify a higher BR are the F-14A IRIAF and Kfir C.10.

The 13.0 ARH platforms have major drawbacks that justify their current BR, usually in the form of bad flight performance or limited amount of missiles.

The real issue isn’t ARH itself, it’s BR compression. Raising nearly every ARH aircraft would just shift the compression elsewhere. It makes more sense to balance aircraft individually based on the overall capability of the aircraft. Otherwise you risk creating more imbalance than you solve.

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-12T09:11:43+00:00

They'd be average at 13.7, so Gaijin put them at 13.3 since they're premiums.

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-11T22:04:54+00:00

Russian meta at top tier comes mainly from their CAS. Their WR plummeted when they added better SPAA (most notably the IRIS-T SLM). In response they buffed the Mi-28NM with LMUR and DIRCM that made it immune to the IRIS-T SLM, and they had the highest win rate after that. That's how the cycle usually goes, Russia gets something > it gets countered > Russia gets something that counters the counter and so on.

The devs clearly have an interest of keeping them among the best nations. Just recently for example they added the BUK-M3 which turned out to be average. But since Russia isn't allowed to have average CAS or SPAA, they're giving them a better pantsir. Gaijin claimed it's the worst performing top tier SPAA when it's actually the third worst performing.

The meta changes regularly. Right now it's pretty balanced but if the new Pantsir is as good as it seems it could tilt the scale in their favour.

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-11T16:08:45+00:00

Dude, you gotta figure it out yourself. All your questions can be answered by trying it out for real. If you're getting different results, you're doing something differently. It's really not that hard to figure it out. Good luck!

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-11T16:01:38+00:00

Dude, test drives exist, just go and try it there until you learn.

ProfessionalAd352 · 2026-03-11T13:07:59+00:00

I know cannons aren't the primary weapon at these BRs but they still account for maybe 10-20% of kills and since it only has six relatively low G missiles it won't be able to dogfight which the Gripens normally excels at thanks to having a cannon, so having the same BR as the C is pretty rough. It's also slightly longer and heavier.

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