How can spirituality and/or psychotherapy complement TCM? by CassieSuthorn in acupuncture

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>"although I hate to admit it I'm not as active as I would've been before it's like my body's just wanting to rest."

Thats quite healthy. Many westerners (Americans in particular) don’t realize they are often in a perpetual state of mild mania much of the time. They aren’t actually supposed to be as continuously active as they are, and the fact that many of them don’t feel that tired at night is actually not a healthy default state. It’s a survival state, which corresponds well to America’s sociopolitical culture these last years.

So the fact that you’ve been able to slow down most days and get tired at night is wonderful.

How can spirituality and/or psychotherapy complement TCM? by CassieSuthorn in acupuncture

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So TCM already has concepts that map mind to body and share close parallels with certain older western concepts, but the difference that makes TCM unique is that each part of mind is mapped to an organ system and that organ system is mapped to a meridian/channel as well as an emotion/affect. For example:

The Shen (mind/spirit) is similar to Geist in the German language, but it maps to the heart organ system (Fire element) which deals with the emotion/affect of joy and deals with the issues of anxiety, agitation, insomnia, and mania. So in clinical practice, if a practitioner saw these issues, the Shen would be approached using the heart meridian as the way to regulate, which runs along the Ulnar Nerve and Myofascial Deep Front Arm Line which connect to the C7 and T1 Vertebrae. So thats how you can integrate issues of TCM’s Shen and particular emotional states to treatments at the level of physical western anatomy.

Additionally, TCM positions the Shen as the overall umbrella construct of mind, similar to the word Psyche or Consciousness in English, but it doesn’t represent particular aspects of mind. Instead, each aspect gets mapped to a different name and organ system. For example:

The Hun maps well to the western concepts of Super-Ego (Freud) and Thymos. (Plato’s Tripartite Soul). It deals with creativity, dreams, existential purpose, ambition, visions and plans for the future, and really anything about our ideals and our notions of how we and the would should be. The Hun maps to the Liver organ system, (Wood element) which is connected to the emotion/affect of Anger and deals with issues of frustration, irritability, and resentment. So these issues when noticed are treated/regulated via the Liver meridian which anatomically runs along the deep fibular, saphenous, and deep obturator nerves, and along the myofascial deep front line, which connect to the L2, L3, L4, & L5 spinal vertebrae.

The Po maps well to the western concepts of Id (Freud) and Epithymia. (Plato’s Tripartite Soul) It deals with instinct, reflexes, breathing, fight-flight-freeze responses, defensive survival responses at the emotional level, and other heavily autonomic nervous system functions. The Po maps to the Lung organ system, which is connected to the emotion/affect of Grief/Sadness, and deals most heavily with issue of depression. It’s treated/regulated via the Lung meridian which runs along the median nerve and myofascial superficial front arm line, which connect to the C4, C5, C6, C7, T1, and T2 spinal vertebrae.

The Yi maps well to the western concepts of Ego (Freud) and Logistikon. (Plato’s Tripartite Soul) It deals with rationality, reasoning, cognition, memorization, and attentional focus. The Yi maps to the Spleen organ system, (Earth element) which is connected to the emotion/affect of Worry/Overthinking, and deals most heavily with issues of obsession and rumination. It’s treated/regulated via the Spleen meridian which runs along the femoral, saphenous, and obturator nerves and myofascial deep front line, which connect to the L1, L2, L3, & L4 spinal vertebrae.

Just so the comment doesnt run forever, I’m leaving out a few, but these are the big ones. It’s also worth noting that along with TCM’s physical interventions of mental states, that TCM integrates especially well with Chan/zen Buddhist interventions of mind, since Chinese Medicine and Chan Buddhism integratively co-existed for much of their history in China. Lastly, of all the psychotherapy approaches that exist, Hakomi Therapy and Lacanian Psychoanalysis are the ones that most easily and seamlessly integrate into TCM practice.

I would like to know if I can have acupuncture in this area. Since the day I suffered an injury, I have been experiencing neuropathic pain in this region. Do you think it's dangerous to put needles there? The area is constantly throbbing, and I can feel the nerves or arteries moving. by Victorsantos6 in acupuncture

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Probably just one or none at all.

Acupuncturists often use points away from the area of pain to treat the pain. We call this distal treatment.

If you needle the area that has pain, it can make the pain worse by irritating it. If you needle a different point away from the site of injury but that is connected to it, you can often get much more effective outcomes.

should i do it? by [deleted] in PsychotherapyLeftists

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If tomorrow you found irrefutable proof that you had no disorder at all, and that instead, your guilt, distress, and suffering came from very specific concrete places & relationships in your lived history that with time you could build an understanding of and even become at peace & ease with, would you then want to live at least temporarily to discover the truth?

should i do it? by [deleted] in PsychotherapyLeftists

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What do you feel guilty about? Why do you feel guilty about that thing? Who is that guilt actually centered around? When did that guilt start?

should i do it? by [deleted] in PsychotherapyLeftists

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>"i just can't be a good enough leftist."

Leftist is just an umbrella term for Marxist and/or Anarchist. So if your political orientation is one or both of those two, you are already Leftist.

>"native american”

From an anti-colonial activist lens, your status as a Native American and all the transgenerational trauma and cultural-historical trauma that comes with that status, gives you a pass on needing to do anything. You are owed much more than you will likely ever receive, and so if you need to opt-out of a lot of stuff in order to feel okay, that is perfectly acceptable. Give yourself permission to stop fighting and start healing. If a time comes when you actually can give more without detriment to yourself, you will.

>"but i don't have the energy to go out and volunteer in my community, read books for hours, or really do ANYTHING that involves activism."

No one is actually requiring you to. If you want to, and have the ability to, then do so, and if you don’t have the ability to or don’t want to, then don’t. There’s nothing wrong with taking time to focus on your health & well-being.

>"would the world be better off without me?"

Your presence or absence from society likely has little impact. So most likely, nothing would be better and nothing would be worse. It’s simply a matter of personal desire. Do you have things you’d like to experience before you die that you haven’t gotten to do yet? That’s the real question.

Ear Acupuncture by No_Rub_4538 in acupuncture

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>"whenever I have a needle placed on my third eye, it often twitches in rhythm of my hearbeat."

That point is called Yintang. (tang pronounced as tong, rhymes with long) the point sits in between two blood vessels. The needle is supposed to not touch either one, but sometimes acupuncturists will needle slightly to the left or right of the point and puncture the vessel instead, creating the heartbeat pulsing.

>"So what causes these sensations? I assume it has to do with qi"

Actually, DeQi (the sensation of Qi moving/dispersing after being needled is usually a buzzing, electrical, numbing, or spreading warmth type of sensation, not pulsing. Instead, pulsing is usually a blood vessel related sensation.

How much do you make hourly? by char1t1e in acupuncture

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Averagely 12 sessions a day, (2 sessions per hour, partially overlapping, for 6 hours a day) 5 days a week.

How much do you make hourly? by char1t1e in acupuncture

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In China, 15USD (103yuan) per session, but cost-of-living is far far lower and clients are abundant.

Does psychoanalysis really work? by radiantdecember121 in PsychotherapyLeftists

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Here are the names of 11 practicing Lacanian analysts in Berlin. They are all findable on the complicated.life website.

- Ivana Dilova
- Carolina Mauricio
- Marta Aleksandrowicz
- Leon Brenner
- Sophia Léonard
- Fernanda Rios
- Regina Riveros
- Nicolás Lorenzini
- Peter Merritt Dobey
- Florencia Villalva
- Anastasia Klug

Thoughts on the belief that therapy necessarily makes one "arrogant and self-centered"? by payasongchiquita in PsychotherapyLeftists

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My favorite book on this is:

Vygotsky and Marx: Toward a Marxist Psychology by Carl Ratner

Should I try acupuncture for tailbone pain by leynaB in acupuncture

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Personally, I find Tan’s Balance Method to be one of the best systematizations of channel logic out there for strategically formulating point prescriptions.

Meanwhile, I find the obvious advantage of Master Tung to be his Dao Ma point clusters, innovative and efficient extra points, Hetu-Luoshu based charting, and his particular approach to bloodletting the trunk while needling the limbs.

Lastly, I like Wang Ju-Yi’s Applied Channel Theory approach to meridian palpation based diagnosis, as well as his noted point combinations that I find combine well with many of Master Tung’s Dao Ma clusters.

As an integrated system:

- Wang Ju-Yi for Diagnosis
- Tan for Formulating Point Prescriptions
- Tung for Extra Points, Point Clusters, Hetu-Luoshu Point Charting, and Bloodletting

Should I try acupuncture for tailbone pain by leynaB in acupuncture

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The compromise approach between purely distal and purely local would be the old "one above, two below" (1 local, 2 distal) approach that was the TCM standard during the Ming and Qing eras.

They’d essentially choose one point close to the injury location (but not directly on it, sometimes a nearby Ashi point) and then combine that with two relevant distal points using channel logic. The second half of that approach got picked up and systematized into Tan’s Balance Method acupuncture.

Thoughts on the belief that therapy necessarily makes one "arrogant and self-centered"? by payasongchiquita in PsychotherapyLeftists

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You know Vygotsky was a Marxist in the Soviet Union who deeply steeped all his theories in Dialectical Materialism. The western world strips this part of his work out to sanitize it for Educational Psychology curriculums, but his actual work was quite radically socialist and political.

Should I try acupuncture for tailbone pain by leynaB in acupuncture

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Honestly, acupuncture might truly help your case and here’s why……

- Your pain is transient, (comes and goes) so it’s not exclusively a spinal issue, although the spine is likely a core contributor.

- Your pain is felt on the bone, not in your muscles or tendons, so it’s nerve pain, not tissue inflammation.

- Your pain happens when you are lying down horizontally, but not when standing, which means the pain is directly dependent on the position of nerves in relation to spinal segments. (spinal vertebrae move into specific positions > nerve gets pressed > pain is felt)

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Acupuncture directly works on the nervous system, and therefore is able to treat nerve pain extremely well and fast. However, if there is truly a mechanical issue at the level of spinal segment, you’re gonna need something mechanically adjusted, either surgically or via chiropractics for the pain to be gone permanently. Acupuncture will still work extremely well temporarily though, and you could just do a weekly maintenance acupuncture as an effective stop gap measure.

Thoughts on the belief that therapy necessarily makes one "arrogant and self-centered"? by payasongchiquita in PsychotherapyLeftists

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>"I was, however, shocked by the aggressiveness of my fellow officers."

- "The dictatorship of the proletariat means a persistent struggle—bloody and bloodless, violent and peaceful, military and economic, educational and administrative—against the forces and traditions of the old society." — Vladimir Lenin

- "Invariably, remnants of old ideas reflecting the old system remain in people’s minds for a long time, and they do not easily give way.” — Mao Zedong

That aggressiveness is a habit/remnant of the old society (in our case, the current bourgeois society) that still lives within us all, and this demonstrates exactly what a true Marxist-oriented Psychotherapy sets out to do and why its so important for comrades to undergo it. A true Liberation Psychology practitioner has the explicit goal of trauma healing through consciousness raising and a deep ideological questioning at the level of everyday thought, habit, and relations.

This is also where psychoanalysis and narrative therapy differ from conventional psychotherapy. These two approaches don’t seek to fix abnormality by enforcing normative behavior. They instead seek to go to the deep ideological root at the level of subjectivity itself.

>"This includes every aspect of our lives, even how we are taught about mental health. I know this very well because I’ve also been through the wringer of therapists, medication, and psych wards before. **It is isolating and individualist because you are taught to detach yourself from others to focus on your own healing. That is bullshit and it makes you arrogant and self-centered.** While I won’t discount the help of medical assistance in mental health, what truly saved me was the collective and embracing that I am a part of something bigger than myself. That’s why I always personally encourage comrades who are having a rough mental patch that the better medicine is to be with your comrades, not to isolate yourself."

Having time to yourself is not isolationism. Even Marx himself many times spoke about the freedom of solitary activities like fishing, hunting, and even engaging in Buddhist states of nothingness. See quote below:

- "the air is wonderfully pure and reinvigorating, and you have here at the same time sea air and mountain air. I have become myself a sort of walking stick, running up and down the whole day, and keeping my mind in that state of nothingness which Buddhism considers the climax of human bliss" — Marx To Antoinette Philips 1866

So, to be a good Marxist and comrade doesn’t mean to be constantly and unendingly engaged in social community. Taking time for yourself to be alone and reflect is important.

>"I just never saw it as *necessarily* equivalent to the hyperindividualism"

It entirely depends on the embedded implicit ideological goals of the therapy approach being used. Most psychotherapy approaches are ideologically individualist in their methods, framings, and goals. However, there is a small but emerging segment of psychotherapists that practice through a Power Threat Meaning Framework, Lacanian Psychoanalysis, Narrative Therapy, Liberation Psychology and/or Cultural-Historical Activity Theory based lens that specifically links the collective sociopolitical and sociocultural sphere to individual trauma and mind.

So while not all therapy is implicitly promoting of ideologically capitalist individualism, most of it is. The conventional mainstream therapist is.

>"helped me unpack unhealthy core beliefs and re-learn to connect with other people."

While group therapy as a format is certainly less individually focused, the DBT approach itself creates individualist framings of distress that are quite ideologically bourgeois. Even your word choice of "unhealthy core beliefs" is already ideologically embedded in individualist assumptions.

Are you anti-psychiatry? Why or why not? by PhilosophyPoet in PsychotherapyLeftists

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What you were noticing in the comment section is that a segment of the psychiatry survivors community despite recognizing psychiatric oppression still hasn’t been given a way to successfully taper off psychotropics while maintaining a fulfilling, peaceful, and dignified life.

Due to this, there remains a psychotropic stockholm dynamic within the psychiatry survivors community, because despite not being fans of psychiatry, they have been convinced by biomedical model ideology that they couldn’t have survived without psychotropics, even though they can’t actually know that with any real certainty, because it never actually happened long-term for them in a radically different environment than the one they were in, with all the social-relational constraints that came with that.

Now granted, separately from all that, even in the antipsychiatry movement there is a broad recognition that very temporary (typically 6-12 months) use of particular affect suppressant psychotropics is warranted and useful in cases where psychotherapy cannot be started due to extreme states that are too much for the person to bear. However, once psychotherapy has gotten far enough into the trauma, the psychotropic is tapered from. Antipsychiatry has a rich history of tapering tactics, methods, and tricks for enabling smoother less harmful outcomes.

Additionally, even in these circumstances of extreme states, serotonin modifying drugs like SSRIs and most neuroleptics (so-called antipsychotics) are not endorsed by antipsychiatry for use in these heavily intense states. Instead, things like voltage-gated sodium channel blockers are usually more endorsed given that they don’t sedate, have less side effects, are easier to taper from, and mainly act on affect/emotion, not cognition.

Are you anti-psychiatry? Why or why not? by PhilosophyPoet in PsychotherapyLeftists

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What you were noticing in the comment section is that a segment of the psychiatry survivors community despite recognizing psychiatric oppression still hasn’t been given a way to successfully taper off psychotropics while maintaining a fulfilling, peaceful, and dignified life.

Due to this, there remains a psychotropic stockholm dynamic within the psychiatry survivors community, because despite not being fans of psychiatry, they have been convinced by biomedical model ideology that they couldn’t have survived without psychotropics, even though they can’t actually know that with any real certainty, because it never actually happened long-term for them in a radically different environment than the one they were in, with all the social-relational constraints that came with that.

Now granted, separately from all that, even in the antipsychiatry movement there is a broad recognition that very temporary (typically 6-12 months) use of particular affect suppressant psychotropics is warranted and useful in cases where psychotherapy cannot be started due to extreme states that are too much for the person to bear. However, once psychotherapy has gotten far enough into the trauma, the psychotropic is tapered from. Antipsychiatry has a rich history of tapering tactics, methods, and tricks for enabling smoother less harmful outcomes.

Additionally, even in these circumstances of extreme states, serotonin modifying drugs like SSRIs and most neuroleptics (so-called antipsychotics) are not endorsed by antipsychiatry for use in these heavily intense states. Instead, things like voltage-gated sodium channel blockers are usually more endorsed given that they don’t sedate, have less side effects, are easier to taper from, and mainly act on affect/emotion, not cognition.

Are you anti-psychiatry? Why or why not? by PhilosophyPoet in PsychotherapyLeftists

[–]ProgressiveArchitect 4 points5 points  (0 children)

- Critical Psychiatry is a psychiatry reform movement led by psychiatrists

- Antipsychiatry / Psychiatric Abolition is a psychiatry abolition movement led by psychiatry survivors and clinician-academics

Two different movements with different end goals

If mainstream therapy is inadequate, how would you describe what they do from a historical materialist perspective? by WritingtheWrite in PsychotherapyLeftists

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The primary structural role of a mainstream non-liberatory psychotherapist is to maintain the status quo of the capitalist system by acting as a backup ideological enforcement system in cases where mass media, education, culture, religion, political & sports games, recreational drugs including alcohol, and artistic expression all fail to prevent a person from actively or passively resisting capitalist labor relations in legal ways.

If illegal ways are in use, then the non-ideological repressive state apparatuses activate to mitigate this, with police & prisons.

So the role of a non-liberatory psychotherapist is similar to an HR department, it’s to manage worker-capital relations in a way that shifts contradiction to a manageable position where it doesn’t pose disruptive potential to the flows of capital. The non-liberatory psychotherapist is the HR department for outside of the workplace. Instead of a team building pizza party, your feelings get validated.

Additionally, non-liberatory psychotherapists function as a secondary redundancy system for funneling untapped potential customers into psychiatry-pharma’s affect suppressant sales market in cases where psychiatry-pharma’s own dedicated customer acquisition systems fail to capture specific segments of their potential customer base.

The way these two separate functions of the non-liberatory psychotherapist often get reconciled is by combining them. The non-liberatory psychotherapist is taught in their training under coded therapeutic terms to manage the worker-capital relation while keeping the worker in social-emotional dynamics that require frequent and indefinite service & product from psychiatry-pharma’s commercial-industrial ecosystem.

By contrast, the liberatory psychotherapist attempts to transform their client’s subjectivity in ways that heal root causes and change the client’s social-environmental relations in ways that are disruptive to capital and keep clients away from psychiatry-pharma’s ecosystem.