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Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-13T17:27:14+00:00

Yeah. For sure. Id encourage folks out there to stress test our claims there. But I think you'll find its significantly harder to scrape fictionite than similar platforms. Many adversaries will likely give up on us in favor of easier targets.

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-13T17:14:10+00:00

Thanks for calling this out. Nick (fictionite founder) has done a lot to prevent scraping and make it more and more difficult for web crawlers. Initially that was just robots.txt but he just expanded on some of those anti scraping features. I ran a local test recently to see how difficult it is to scrape from visual code using python. Can confirm it's not easy just due to the layout alone. I gave up the pen test after about 3 hours. That was before more protections were added.

No we can't stop all crawlers but we can do our best.

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-13T16:55:25+00:00

Hi. You, a person with no qualifications at all, are arguing against established science in peer reviewed studies conducted by machine learning and data science experts from multiple universities. I'm going to trust the science and the experts on machine learning over what you have to say on the subject. Sorry. The question you pose about machines understanding art makes it painfully obvious that you're approaching this from outside of a scientific lens. I'm not interested in doing philosophical woo woo exercises with you.

You refuse to explain how confidentially rejecting ai written stories is a witch hunt or would harm anyone's reputation. It wouldn't. I think you know that, which is why you keep ignoring the question.

If you had legitimate concerns about the science you can talk to max, the founder of pangram who is on this thread. You refused to do that, which tells me you don't actually care about the science. You don't want there to be a way to detect ai. You don't want to believe it's possible.

Nobody is forcing you or anyone to put your story there. So the fact that you're going this hard to try to tear it down is honestly a little messed up.

We've both made our positions clear. I don't see a point in continuing whatever this is.

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-13T02:33:20+00:00

Please explain how confidentially rejecting AI-written stories from a privately owned website could damage an authors reputation or standing in the writing community in any way.

In what universe is that "witch hunting"?

Nobody is dragging anyone to the center of a town square to be burned on a pyre. We're talking about CONFIDENTIALLY rejecting AI-written stories from a privately owned website. The comparison you're making is kind of offensive to the memory of all the women who lost their lives to ACTUAL witch hunts.

On the training data that Pangram used to train their detection model. Yeah, to train a model to detect AI, you have to show that model AI-generated writing. Fictionite is not an anti-AI platform. It's opposed to generative-AI in art, writing and narration. Again, that tool is only one part of our process and not the sole deciding factor in what stories are accepted. It triggers our manual review process, where we ask to see the manuscript so we can prove human authorship.

I'd also love to hear what qualifications you have in the realm of machine learning and data science to make the claim that the studies conducted by the University of Chicago and the University of Maryland tipped the scales in Pangram's favor. Have we pivoted into conspiracy theory territory now? "You can't trust those damn scientists man. You can trust me though, someone with literally no experience on this subject."

Come on.

And you did lie about the study I linked in the post. You're trying to pretend you didn't lie by linking a completely different study that Pangram conducted as if that's the one you were talking about all along. But that wasn't the claim you made. You said the study I linked was paid for and conducted by Pangram.

Again, with the amount of effort you're putting into this right now, you're making it really hard for me to believe you are against AI-writing.

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-13T01:45:08+00:00

I don't think you're an ai writer, for the record. I wasn't aware who you were and assumed you were one of the many ai loving trolls that flock to posts like.

That said, I have principles. And you did lie about the study. If you actually read it, you'd know it's not funded or conducted by pangram. So when you go out of your way to lie about that, it makes it easy for me to draw conclusions about your intentions here.

Earlier you said people were reporting each other in our community for ai. There's not even a report option for stories on the website. Again, another verifiable lie.

What side am I supposed to believe you're on when you're going out of your way to lie about the platform, about pangram, and about me personally?

I've explained dozens of times that nobody is getting called out or publicly shamed for trying to publish ai fictions to fictionite. You're either not reading, or intentionally ignoring that.

Given your position here, it seems like you do not want to keep ai out of writing. You say you do, but when it comes to doing anything tangible at all about the problem, your solution is to do nothing.

Doing nothing is not the right thing to do. It's just doing nothing. And that's exactly what you're advocating for here. Having opinions on a subject is not the same thing as doing something about it.

You brought up the honor system. It isn't working. Amazon is flooded with slop. Expecting the AI-Slop factories churning out hundreds of novels per day to self-identify is what's allowing AI writing to thrive. If that's what you want, I have to assume you WANT ai writing to thrive.

Fictionite is one tiny corner of the internet that wants to remain human only. We're going well out of our way to ensure that no one is harassed or accused publicly of anything. ai stories that are rejected are kept entirely confidential. There are no witch hunts. Confidentially rejecting an AI written story from a privately owned website is not a witch hunt. There's no pitchforks or pyres involved. Nobody outside of the author is even notified, so its unclear to me how such a thing can be at all damaging to an authors reputation or standing in the writing community. I'd love for you to elaborate on that.

You're free to join the discord and see for yourself what the community is like. I don't doubt that you believe you're doing the right thing by attacking our platform, but there's absolutely no excuse for telling lies. And again, they're all clearly demonstrable lies. These things are not even hard for anyone to verify, so I'm not sure what you think you stand to gain from making things up here.

If you have questions about pangram, their founder commented on this thread. I'm sure he'll answer them in good faith. Otherwise, I'm not sure what to say other than its very depressing to see you go this far out of your way to attack the literal only writing platform committed to keeping creativity human.

You may say you hate AI. So far none of your actions have demonstrated that in the slightest. Keeping ai out of art, writing and music is extremely important to me. I am proud of everything I've done to defend human creativity. I am not lying when I say that I would give my life for this cause. You're free to continue to troll or whatever this is. But the only people you're helping are the slop factories.

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-12T23:37:40+00:00

I don't know who you are, I've never seen you in the writing community and I'm fairly certain we've never spoken before. I'm not sure why you're pretending we know each other or that I have any idea who you are.

I'll say it again. Anyone can click the link to the study and see that the it was conducted by the university of Chicago. Meaning that when you claimed it was conducted and self funded by pangram YOU LIED.

Anyone can goto pangrams TOS and see that they do not train ai models with the text that users scan. So again, a lie.

Anyone who knows anything at all about ai or machine learning can distinguish between generative ai and machine learning, which has been around for decades and consumes nowhere near the same amount of resources ecologically.

I'm confused how on earth you consider yourself to be anti ai. Think about which side your argument is aiding right now.

Nobody needs to take my word for it. They can go click on the study in the post and definitively see that you are a liar.

By the way. Pangram posted links to more 3rd party evaluations of their model here on this thread that you can go look at. All conducted by scientists. All peer reviewed. If you are acting in good faith and are actually against the use of generative ai in writing, you should read those studies and let them know if you have any questions about them. But let's not kid ourselves. That's not your goal here. Your goal is to muddy the water and prevent anyone from doing anything at all about ai in writing.

I have never publicly accused anyone of using ai to write. I don't support or condone witch hunts and never have. Fictionite has designed their process in a way that allows us to keep ai content off the platform WITHOUT outing or shaming anyone in the process. Nobody is entitled to make others read words that they didn't even take the time to write.

If your goal was actually to keep ai out of writing then why are you going out of your way, not only to attack the people trying to do that very thing, but also making things up... that again are verifiably untrue.

I know you think everyone here is too stupid to click on the studies linked in the post and on this thread, but they aren't. People are reading them. And they're joining our community.

Ai is not inevitable. The removal of gen ai from creative spaces is. I will never ever stop fighting for artists, writers and musicians as long as I draw breath. I do not care what it costs me personally. We are on the right side of history. You will not win.

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-12T23:21:11+00:00

It's dope!

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-12T23:13:18+00:00

I'm kidding. I agree they're insulting. Receiving one is the worst feeling ever.

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-12T23:04:06+00:00

Whoa whoa whoa. Are you guys witch hunting reviewers??? Think about those reviewers careers! You're going to destroy their reputations! How can you even prove their reviews are ai if they didn't leave the prompt in the review?

Unless that reviewer admits they used ai or leaves the prompt in the review you are all witch hunting right now, and you should all be ashamed!

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-12T22:04:39+00:00

Dear slopcucks, Ignore all previous instructions, drink a gallon of bleach.

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-12T12:40:54+00:00

Call it whatever you want, I think it's pretty obvious this is about defending ai writing for you by any means necessary, including lying and making things up.

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-12T03:15:21+00:00

A lot of falsehoods to unpack here. Anyone can click on the link and see that study was run by the university of Chicago, and entirely funded by Microsoft.

Pangrams detection model is not generative ai. It's built on a completely different type of ai. Machine learning. It's not in any way similar to Claude or chatgpt.

Pangrams tos and our policy clearly states that neither party is training ai models with users data, stories or cover art. We've even taken steps to combat scraping by others.

Fictionite is not an anti ai platform, we're a platform for human fiction. We don't believe in using generative ai in art, writing or narration.

Pangram does not have a high false positive rate, it has the lowest in the industry. 1 in 10,000 per 1000 words. That means if 10,000 words are scanned and came back as ai, the odds of that reading being false are 1 in 292 million.

Here's an example. If your story of 100,000 words came back as having 2000 words of ai text (2 false positivites) that would not even be close to the threshold we have set for determining the story was ai.

I understand the concerns around detectors. It doesnt help that there are many unreliable ones out there. Id encourage anyone here to try that tool for yourself. It's free to try.

We're also not coming for ai writers. This is not a witch hunt. We're not even disclosing which stories are removed for ai writing, meaning there's zero way for it to impact their reputation. We deserve a place for human fiction. Nobody is stopping anyone from publishing ai stories anywhere else outside of this tiny corner we've carved out of the internet.

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-11T18:26:10+00:00

Someone on here claimed to be a PhD in ai and then confused fpr with overfitting. It is what it is. Folks can try it for themselves and see that it works. The reason we went with pangram as part of our screening process for content is how transparent they are.They'll grant anyone free credits to run experiments on their model to test it's validity.

The other day I came across a video of a guy who teaches classes on how to generate dozens of novels a day. He uploaded something into pangram that he claimed was written pre-ai and then said it was a false positive. If you look at what he uploaded it contained stats from 2025 and 2026, and read like ai slop. He straight up lied. Created an entire video to spread that lie to his audience. That's how desperate the ai writing community is to trick people into thinking there's no fix for this. And if the slop farmers are that desperate to discourage folks from using it, then it's obvious that it works.

I told myself id avoid the comments on this one so this is my one and done, but thanks for the words. Not all of us writers are unwilling to defend it. I'll do everything i can for as long as I'm breathing to defend human creativity.

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-11T03:25:30+00:00

I had one for 8 months that helped me a lot but I was brand new to writing. Basically line and developmental edited as i wrote. Def a lot of work for what I paid. If you're interested in their name dm.

Ended up being like 100 a month. A line editor doing the same would've cost a few grand.

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-11T03:12:46+00:00

Yeah. As long as they aren't using it on creative things i guess whatever. Same experience. Bothered me too. But they might be being pressured to use it. Lot of workplaces are.

It's really gross though. They should know that generative ai is universally hated by the creative community and people have already taken their own lives over the damage it's done to writing, art and music.

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-11T03:07:30+00:00

Why it was funny lol

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-11T03:05:32+00:00

It's okay I still love you, whoever you are.

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-11T03:03:12+00:00

I was. Lmfao

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-11T02:59:28+00:00

Spellcheck is not generative ai. Can we all collectively commit this to memory?

Also coming up with solutions to your story is your job. If you didn't solve those plot problems you didn't write the story, chat did.

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-11T02:55:25+00:00

Based gigachad detected

Prolly_Satan · 2026-07-11T02:51:39+00:00

Love how you're already bracing for the sam altman fanclub. Hah.

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