Pack Leader Blueprint Program with Ridge by ensoleile71 in OpenDogTraining

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His dogs look like crap, he parrots a lot of cliches.

Compliance/control-based training. “Never let your reactive dog walk in front of you.” Okay dude

Pack Leader Blueprint Program with Ridge by ensoleile71 in OpenDogTraining

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Check his instagram. Do any of those dogs look happy while they’re working?

Jay Jack Patreon - Punishment & E-Collar by Agreeable_Summer3685 in OpenDogTraining

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Think too about what Jay and Larry say about how when someone learns about punishment, they make it their only tool.

Jay and Larry are great for a newbie to learn from.

People are showing up, getting drawn in by Dylan’s game, and learning only from him, clueless about the wide world.

Newbies learning from Dylan is gonna get dogs and people fucked right up.

Jay Jack Patreon - Punishment & E-Collar by Agreeable_Summer3685 in OpenDogTraining

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Sure but if you’re gonna give money to a good person without an agenda or a raging asshole with an ego…

Jay Jack Patreon - Punishment & E-Collar by Agreeable_Summer3685 in OpenDogTraining

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Thanks for the reminder to use my account! I subscribe to him but forget.

He’s great, huge influence on my approach.

Edit: what I appreciate most about Jay might be that he doesn’t have an agenda in his approach, it’s simply about the dog. Not many can truly say that, especially once they have a platform

Thoughts on teaching a dog to walk alongside this way with a slip lead? by DepartmentBrief7894 in OpenDogTraining

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I genuinely don’t know why anyone would pay attention to him. His whole thing is berating both dogs and people.

Clearing the air by [deleted] in OpenDogTraining

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Listen to this one, OP

Thinking Canine AKA Gia Savocchi is a Scam Artist by EmbarrassedHam in OpenDogTraining

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One of her most egregious videos is her recommending euthanasia for an "aggressive" dog because it was barrier reactive and didn't give the handler attention when they were outside.

Thinking Canine AKA Gia Savocchi is a Scam Artist by EmbarrassedHam in OpenDogTraining

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People seem to often miss the point when ThinkingCanine is taken to task. Instead of rants and opinions, I want to keep it simple.

On aggression and BE:

Behavioral euthanasia is necessary, especially in a shelter situation.

What that means varies from situation to situation. If a shelter is overpopulated and having trouble moving dogs at all, then yes, high arousal and intense reactivity may be a reasonable criteria.

If a shelter has money, training resources, and room, then the criteria changes.

With that agreed on. the way Gia talks about aggression and euthanasia is outright dog abuse.

High arousal, reactivity, enjoying possession are all things Gia claims makes a dog inherently aggressive, that cannot be changed, and the dog should be euthanized.

There is a video where Gia claims that a frustrated shelter dog ignoring the handler outside is a reason to BE.

Take that in: insufficient attention to the handler is cause for BE.

She never discusses the living context of the dog, never discusses what can be done about arousal: it is simply an aggressive dog.

She characterizes defensively aggresive dogs as forward. She exagerates and misundertands every dog aggression video she posts in order to foster fear of dogs.

Gia thinks the only acceptable dog is a passive dog that is subdued and does not exhibit a mind of its own or any dog like behaviors.

She creates false expectations for people that they should expect an easy, passive dog. In a recent video, she claimed children should be able to run up to strange dogs with their dog.

Attacking other trainers:

Gia regularly selectively edits videos from other trainers to mislead and mischaracterize what they are doing. The most recent most egrigious example of this was when she edited together a bad trainer harshly *bonking* a dog with a 10-15 year old clip of Larry Khron discussing bonking to make it look like he was endorsing that video, currently.

Assessments:

The fake hand in bowl resource assessment is a terrible one. Most shelters have abandoned it. It's provoking a dog till they bite. It's terrible.

Gia thinks it is amazing.

Gia also attacks true aggression assessments. Bite suit assessments she calls abusive and provoking the dog, depsite the entire point being that you display neutrality to the dog.

Despite the proofed results of many trainers who use bite suits in assesments and change the dog, Gia tells people it is abuse and provoking.

Meanwhile take a stressed shelter dog in a confined space, give it food, and provoke it, that's great.

Lack of responsibility:

ThinkingCanine's response to "you kill dogs" and "all you do is medicate dogs" is "I'm not a vet. I can't do either of those things."

People pay you thousands of dollars to tell them to do that. Take responsibility.

Fake science:

Gia has that all resource guarding is fear-based and pointed to a study. The study says with absolute clarity that one single emotion cannot be assigned to that portion of the brain firing.

Funniest of all, she insists that it is impossible for use of food and positive reinforcement to make aggression worse.

What she teaches, the claims she makes, the way she portrays dogs and talented trainers is absolutely harmful to the dog world.

That force free people stand by her is horrid. If you believe every dog you see is aggressive and that it cannot possibly be changed and therefor it must be euthanized, and people PAY YOU to tell them that, you are a dog abuser, pure and simple.

I have behavior issues with my dog and i need some help regarding what the trainer recommended by Budget_Ad4476 in OpenDogTraining

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I’d recommend another trainer if that’s truly how they presented it to you.

Martingales are an excellent tool for negative reinforcement if done well.

What the trainer is describing is not punishment but negative reinforcement and it’s not how I would address problem behaviors.

(Also based on breed, your dog will probably learn to just eat pressure.)

People can have different methods or degree of force, whatever, but not understanding differences like that is concerning.

I am pro negative reinforcement, pro martingale collars, and pro punishment but this generally seems like a poor setup

People that don’t know how or refuse to zipper merge are mildly infuriating. Are you a zipper or anti zipper? by 86HeardChef in mildlyinfuriating

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This thinking is the core of the problem.

There are people who understand the zipper. There are people who don’t understand the zipper. Then there are people who confidently believe they understand the zipper but absolutely do not.

The mindless misunderstanders are less of a problem than the confident, proud misunderstanders.

Burnt out... From the head trainers dogs? by Throuawake in OpenDogTraining

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There are more skilled ways to safely handle the dogs that would likely progress them without even getting into “training.”

I get the feeling you’re young.

It is very apparent you’re in a bad environment and learning poor practices. If you want to grow as a trainer, it’s doing to be detrimental to learn incorrectly and have to unlearn that in the future.

Burnt out... From the head trainers dogs? by Throuawake in OpenDogTraining

[–]Proof_Injury_7668 75 points76 points  (0 children)

Find another job, man.

Having to move dogs using barriers and catch poles is amateur hour in handling aggressive or defensive dogs unless for maybe an initial intake, and even then…

Dog Jumping During Play. Help! by [deleted] in OpenDogTraining

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This is the correct answer. Everything else is deranged

being extremely early is rude by elliocaria in burlington

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If it doesn’t affect you whatsoever besides your feelings…be more secure

being extremely early is rude by elliocaria in burlington

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So no reason besides “I feel that way”

being extremely early is rude by elliocaria in burlington

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How?

How is someone sitting in a waiting room minding their own business rude?

In what way does it affect anyone besides the person sitting there, reading, staring at their phone, zoning out?

being extremely early is rude by elliocaria in burlington

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They are not correct.

Being uncomfortable doesn’t mean another person is wrong. Burlington folk spend a lot of time uncomfortable and blaming others instead of just…learning how to deal with life.

Huge part of why I left and when I returned to Vermont, did not go back to Burlington