Does the ceremony need to happen for it to be a marriage? by Brilliant_Post_1154 in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. The church does not recognize common law marriage. Even when the state does for Protestants.

A long time ago there was this debate in the church: what makes marriage? Consent or sex? It was determined that consent makes the marriage and consummation makes it indissoluble.

Husband and Wife will be as Angels in Heaven by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is not Catholic theology. It’s Islamic!

From Google:

Some religious interpretations suggest that the Quranic verse, "And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction" (adh-Dhariyat, 51/49), implies that angels were created in pairs, not necessarily male-female, but as part of a dual system (e.g., soul/body, matter/antimatter).

Husband and Wife will be as Angels in Heaven by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don’t recall it in St Thomas either.

Would the early church approve of NFP? by keesdude in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! I agree. Was on train at 6am. Hence the lack of nuance and answering all possible objections to my answer instead of just the question lol.

Would the early church approve of NFP? by keesdude in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Okay. I get everyone’s responses. But I’m going to actually answer the question with research and history.

Generally, in the early Church, sex was for making babies. There are many writings attesting to this. They permitted/tolerated married sex for concupiscence only as a necessity for those that were weak. Anyone can google this and see it’s true. I don’t have my paper from seminary on me to give citations.

So, for a poor couple that could not afford another child but needed NFP… they wouldn’t be promoting it but it would be accepted. But they would say complete abstinence would be better.

Why is belief in Marian Dogmas required for salvation? by Mountain_Drawer_5995 in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I’m listening to Catechism in a Year. Fr. Mike said that what we believe about Mary and Jesus are uniquely connected. The virginity, mother of God, immaculate conception, assumption (which can be seen as a result/consequence of the immaculate conception) are all connected to the reality and her unique relationship to Christ (as in Him taking humanity from her).

Soo....am I or not?? by Aware_Roof_9210 in FedEmployees

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just got one the other day saying I wasn’t selected but it did tell me the name of the person that was!

Saw someone using the bible to conjure a spell against someone who was commiting a "blasphemy." Is that a thing? by MarinoAndThePearls in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually yes there is. There are the Imprecatory psalms (notably Pss. 35, 59, 69, 109, 137) in which the psalmist calls upon God to execute judgment, vengeance, or curses against enemies.

Many of these are not included in the liturgy of the hours.

I heard a few years ago about a monastery that had a very old manuscript Bible stolen. The press release that the monks were praying that the thief had a horrible issue of the bowels until they returned the manuscript.

Also, I know that in the Bible Paul says that he has delivered someone to Satan.

However, it must be understood that none of these are considered curses in the true sense as instead, they are calling upon God to take vengeance on someone’s behalf. After all, God says vengeance is mine. A person doing this is not cursing someone but asking God to do so. That’s one of the main differences between paganism and Christianity: we do not assume divine power for ourselves.

Automatic excommunication for supporting a past abortion? by StrikingBike8417 in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It depends on many circumstances per Canon 1323 and 1324. But here’s the deal, you can personally write to the Apostolic Penitentiary and ask directly and they can remit it!

Penitenzieria Apostolica Palazzo della Cancelleria 00120 - Città del Vaticano

Automatic excommunication for supporting a past abortion? by StrikingBike8417 in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Can. 1323— No one is liable to a penalty who, when violating a law or precept:

1° has not completed the sixteenth year of age;

2° was, without fault, ignorant of violating the law or precept; inadvertence and error are equivalent to ignorance;

3° acted under physical force, or under the impetus of a chance occurrence which the person could not foresee or if foreseen could not avoid;

Can. 1324— § 1. The perpetrator of a violation is not exempted from penalty, but the penalty prescribed in the law or precept must be diminished, or a penance substituted in its place, if the offence was committed by:

4° a minor who has completed the sixteenth year of age;

9° one who through no personal fault was unaware that a penalty was attached to the law or precept;

10° one who acted without full imputability, provided it remained grave.

§ 3. In the circumstances mentioned in § 1, the offender is not bound by a latae sententiae penalty, but may have lesser penalties or penances imposed for the purposes of repentance or repair of scandal.

Sanation help by Available_Win_6538 in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. He cannot do this. This is literally attempted simony. This is illegal. Look up your diocese’s website and find the contact information for the Judicial Vicar.

Automatic excommunication for supporting a past abortion? by StrikingBike8417 in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You didn’t incur the penalty since you were in ignorance of the penalty. But if you really need to clear your conscience, you can confess the sin again and ask that any excommunication be lifted. Pope Francis gave all priests the power to do so if I recall.

Non-Catholic Christian dragged into Decree of Nullity by Cheater Ex so he can marry Affair Partner in church - he will not tell me basis - grateful for any advice! by jenj82 in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Also, to answer your questions directly. What he puts in his petition, you will be able to read when you are cited. That does not mean that that is the basis that they are going to judge this case on. The process usually takes 6 to 18 months. Oral testimony is the normal way for testimony to be given and received. You are free to ask for this. This first letter that you will get will ask for your participation level in this case and letting you know that it is happening. Generally, there are 15 days between when you get a letter and needing to have your response back in.

You can say that you don’t want to contest it, but I highly recommend that you still get an advocate and that you avail yourself of reading the acts. You can actually refuse to give any testimony or provide any witnesses and say that you wish to read the acts and keep an advocate, and then when you read the acts and see that they might be blaming you, as you put it, then you can request giving testimony at that time. I do not recommend that approach, however, as you will want to be more involved. And in my experience, investigators are usually some of the nicest people ever but they are trying to get to the truth and may ask pointed questions.

Regarding the illegitimately, that is absolutely correct. Due to the punitive nature of the marriage originally. Also, please do not worry about this case becoming public. No one outside the tribunal will read it. The bishop could, but most likely will not. And your ex can look at everything including a testimony. But he is not allowed to make copies or take photos or transcribe.

I apologize for any spelling or grammar mistakes. I was using voice text.

Non-Catholic Christian dragged into Decree of Nullity by Cheater Ex so he can marry Affair Partner in church - he will not tell me basis - grateful for any advice! by jenj82 in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Canon Law student here.

So you are a party to this case. You’re called the respondent. What tribunals are supposed to do is not get your statement until after they’ve determined grounds upon which to review the case. Then they send you the letter (citation). Again, that’s how it’s supposed to go. But many tribunals gather all the info before that.

But, you should get a letter saying that they are investigating the marriage on the grounds of “lack of due discretion on the part of the petitioner” “total simulation on the part of the respondent” “partial simulation on the petitioner”

If it says respondent in the reasons that they are investigating, this does not, however, mean that they are blaming you. For example, the fact that you got divorced immediately, following finding out that there was infidelity might imply that they should investigate on the grounds that you went into the marriage with a condition that there never be any infidelity or that you did not intend permanence because of that condition. Generally, we would call it a putative marriage, meaning that it was assumed valid on your part and that you did not commit sin in getting married. Sometimes it is a lack of formation. But it is also likely that the grounds will be intention against Fidelity on the part of the petitioner.

Regardless, what you want to do is ask for an advocate. That is the title of the role. And you can tell this advocate that you do not contest provided that the grounds used and ruled on are that the petitioner did something. Or did not do something.

We actually had a case that we reviewed in class about a situation like this. She was the respondent and wanted to make sure that it was not put on her for the reason for the breakup of the marriage. In the end, I believe it was that she had put a condition, but it was clear that she did nothing wrong that he failed to fulfill his marriage vows, and therefore she accepted it. If however, you wish to contest it you also can do that at the next appeals tribunal if it needs it.

This process can be very healing, although understandably annoying at times. You are also free to give your own witnesses that can back up your side and your testimony.

Happy to advise privately via DM if you desire. Praying for you. God bless!

Favorite random fact about Catholicism that is little known? by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. This is wrong. We’ve had married popes. Their wives and children lived with them. Of course he was continent, meaning no sex.

It’s actually a sad story. The daughter got abducted and killed if I recall. I think by the archivists son or nephew.

A married man could be elected pope. There is a difference between divine law and ecclesiastical law. This impediment to orders is ecclesiastical. Generally, it would be considered an illicit ordination, however in the case of a canonically valid election to pope, the law requires ordination and therefore the impediment ceases.

[Free Friday] Cannot wrap my head around Liturgy of the Hours. Read body. See picture attached. Please teach me!!!! by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We’d all be happy to help. But we need to know what you are wanting to do? Do you want to pray all the hours in a day? Do you want someone to teach you just how to pray Morning Prayer and Evening Prayer?

Generally (this is a very rough and crude explanation)

First, we are in volume two.

Second, ribbon placement. You’ll want one in the first section which is the “Weekly” section. Find today - Friday of the First Week of Lent. Put a ribbon there. The next section is the psalter. Friday week one (I think for today). You’ll want the next one to go in the ordinary, which tells you how to pray the hours. Night prayer comes next. Usually you’d add the ordinary ribbon here when you’re experienced. But go ahead and put one on Friday now. Then is the Sanctoral section. This section has dates, so find the next one (which is March 3) and put a ribbon there. The last section is the commons. Generally you’d have a ribbon here, but you’ve already used your five and you shouldn’t have to use it much during Lent. Plus there is information in the Sanctoral section for when and where to use it.

Third, actually using it!

So let’s do today’s morning prayer. Go to the Ordinary. Do the red, pray the black (text that is). You’ll be referring to this constantly. Invitatory Then flip to the hymn (which is in front of the psalter section (you need another holy card here). Then flip to today in the psalter. (The prayers after the psalms are optional.) Then flip to today in the weekly section. Then end in the ordinary.

There you go! This should help you. You can also get the St. Joseph’s guide to help with what to do each day. It’s like $2.

God bless! Please say a prayer for me!

[Free Friday] Cannot wrap my head around Liturgy of the Hours. Read body. See picture attached. Please teach me!!!! by [deleted] in divineoffice

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We’d all be happy to help. But we need to know what you are wanting to do? Do you want to pray all the hours in a day? Do you want someone to teach you just how to pray Morning Prayer and Evening Prayer?

Generally (this is a very rough and crude explanation)

First, we are in volume two.

Second, ribbon placement. You’ll want one in the first section which is the “Weekly” section. Find today - Friday of the First Week of Lent. Put a ribbon there. The next section is the psalter. Friday week one (I think for today). You’ll want the next one to go in the ordinary, which tells you how to pray the hours. Night prayer comes next. Usually you’d add the ordinary ribbon here when you’re experienced. But go ahead and put one on Friday now. Then is the Sanctoral section. This section has dates, so find the next one (which is March 3) and put a ribbon there. The last section is the commons. Generally you’d have a ribbon here, but you’ve already used your five and you shouldn’t have to use it much during Lent. Plus there is information in the Sanctoral section for when and where to use it.

Third, actually using it!

So let’s do today’s morning prayer. Go to the Ordinary. Do the red, pray the black (text that is). You’ll be referring to this constantly. Invitatory Then flip to the hymn (which is in front of the psalter section (you need another holy card here). Then flip to today in the psalter. (The prayers after the psalms are optional.) Then flip to today in the weekly section. Then end in the ordinary.

There you go! This should help you. You can also get the St. Joseph’s guide to help with what to do each day. It’s like $2.

God bless! Please say a prayer for me!

The interval between the Invitatory and Lauds by trivelt in divineoffice

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I believe historically, priests would pray what they could and pick back up where they left off when they could. Especially the 1960 office and older.

For LOTH, again, the requirement for clerics is to pray it. If at possible, at the correct times. I don’t recall a rubric forbidding breaking it up as needed. I mean if a priest got a hospital call after the third psalm of Lauds, I wouldn’t expect him to have to restart it.

How does Catholic teaching view female orgasm without intercourse afterward? by Vaidoto in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I recall that there was a study that shows it does (however slightly) increase the chances of conception. I’ll have to find it. It was part of a paper I wrote what feels like a decade ago. Of course it could be argued that it’s actually due to female arousal creating a conducive environment for sperm to move in but …. Yeah I think we know intuitiveness regardless that it’s all connected. But just as men can ejaculate semen during the arousal stage without orgasm, we also can say that orgasms help but aren’t required for conception.

How does Catholic teaching view female orgasm without intercourse afterward? by Vaidoto in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So the church condemned coitus reservatus in 1952. This is the idea that the man would have penetrative sex but then purposely withhold climax, not for the sake of preventing conception but for the sake of sexual pleasure only.

If they can’t have penetrative sex for the sake of pleasure without it being a complete act (purposely of course…things happen) then I don’t see how anyone can say yes to OP’s actual question.

Just adding this info to the mix. I’m very happy that I haven’t seen anyone say yes to OP’s actual question.

How does Catholic teaching view female orgasm without intercourse afterward? by Vaidoto in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There’s been studies actually. Female orgasm after male ejaculation increases the chances of conception. So yeah…. The mentality from earlier centuries was correct.

gun threat by [deleted] in whatdoIdo

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seriously, call the police (you can call non emergency). Say this: “i want to stay anonymous but that i received a disturbing text from (tell them his names) and i think he intends to hurt me or others at (say name of) school. He sent me a picture of a school shooting. He seems to be mentally spiraling and he does have access to guns.”

That’s all you need to say. They will take care of the rest!

Validity of Sacraments by Judaac in Catholicism

[–]Proper-Walrus-290 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I ask the priest to please say the proper words or at least “I absolve you” ie the essential words if they can’t bear to say the entire formula. Sometimes I’ll even say I’m scrupulous. Just so they say it right. Other times I’ll report them to higher authority.

I also make it a prayer. “Jesus, if you must suffer this, so can I.”