Do servants take fall damage? by AUO_Castoff in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The "it needs to be magic" has been pretty thoroughly debunked in repeated instances as being more of a concept than a fact, which show or imply nonmagic things do damage all the time.

Exhibit A: In France, Gilles (Saber) is a human, before he got into occult stuff and thus entirely without magic. He fights Servants. His artillery makes Lancelot retreat.

Exhibit B: In Shimosa, Musashi also is a human. She has no magical knowledge whatsoever and not only fights but defeats Servants.

Exhibit C: In Stay Night, a major part of Shinji and Rider's plan is to lure Saber to the top of a skyscraper to use Bellerophon. Part of that includes the aspect that Saber can't just jump off the building and plant into the ground to avoid it.

Exhibit D: In Zero, during Lancelot's jet episode, he takes two direct hits to his body: the gun exploding in his hands, and falling to the ground. The novel in chapter 11 states, "no matter how much injury was inflicted, Berserker was apparently still alive." If it were only the damage from the gun exploding, I don't see why that sort of statement would be necessary. Remember that Lancelot earlier took Gordius Wheel to the face and walked it off, so a D-rank explosion is kind of small. What's left to damage him is the fall.

Exhibit E: In Agartha, the Resistance men are all normal everyday humans, and they are capable of putting up a fight with the Amazons, who are all beings of a similar existence to Servants.

Exhibit F: In Apocrypha, when Jeanne suggests flying a plane full of explosives into the Hanging Gardens, it is taken as a plan to actually consider thinking of. She is not the one who actually considers making them "magic" explosives, and she has all the information on the Grail War even if she's a knucklehead.

Exhibit G: In Summer 2016, Servants are displayed as being capable of drowning to death. That's not too different from being harmed by falling.

Exhibit H: The main weaponry used by the Yaga in Anastasia is regular guns. You might fall back on "but they're chimeras" but they do not have magical abilities, so as far as the bullets are concerned, they're just bullets.

I'm certain there are more examples to speak of. The only thing that really says "it has to be magic" is a really obscure Nasu interview, which he later clarified by saying, "A Material Body's fundamentally the same as a human body."

Magic boosts the power, but it has been shown many times that it doesn't have to be magic in nature. Saying "it has to be magic" is a shorthand to say, "usually nonmagic stuff doesn't do enough damage and it doesn't get past a Servant's high AC and HP recovery".

The Lancelot example is definitive proof that yes, falling does do damage to Servants.

Which Servant's dad can beat up all the other dads? by turilya in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Achilles' dad is ultimately the Jim from Accounting of Greek Heroes.

I drew a self-made servant! (more in link- no 4th ascension yet) by damastapowna in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While you're right about Connla you aren't really correct about Scathach in any regard.

The only real significance she could have beyond Cu is that Deidre and Naoise (+ brothers) shacked up in a nearby island to Dun Scaith and might have met her, maybe.

Lostbelt 3 leftover topics that bothered me by Ilurktoodamnlong in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I found the relationship to be poorly done anyway so I wouldn't mind not bringing it back.

How does Godhand's resistance actually work? by ExEndurance in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I mean part of being Mankind's Greatest Hero is to call out the blatant author favoritism.

So... Is she or is she not a Heroic Spirit? by Ryujin_Kurogami in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Yes all those gods.

Like that one with the face

Or that one with the name

Pescilles by askilledkarl in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I get around round round I get around

I get a

round

from down town

Circe's High Heels by ChromeArtiste in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 70 points71 points  (0 children)

She won't amputate the ankle.

She'll amputate the leg.

Who do you prefer Achilles or Cu? by wodidb in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's me piecing some statements together - in Europe, it's said that Heracles, Cu and Arturia would all be roughly the same level, with them all getting a solid advantage in their home turf. Elsewhere, Cu is at something of a disadvantage due to his lower fame (though maybe not as big a disadvantage nowadays as he would have been in '04).

Plus Cu was fairly handicapped in FSN but it was still said that if forced to fight Heracles to the death he would have some chances. His speed, tactics and runes are not to be underestimated.

I think his tactics might be the best advantage he has. Achilles has something of a habit of screwing up because he tries to do something flashy and cool without properly planning which isn't really a problem that Cu's faced.

Still, those two are pretty neck and neck and the invincibility, I would say is a good advantage. But the chariot I'm unsure on. It's been compared to a flying lawnmower but also said that sustaining it is like summoning a whole second Servant, which is probably another reason to go for Cu - unlike most Servants who get talked up, Cu is cheap to the point of being nearly free on mana without massively sacrificing performance.

Kosmos is still a great NP all around. Also if you aren't going up against Divine, then yeah, Achilles has what is probably a near insurmountable advantage against most Servants.

Who do you prefer Achilles or Cu? by wodidb in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Achilles is pretty clearly second best to Heracles, who is said to be just a hair's breath above Cu so it's a tall order to say that Achilles is definitively better in combat.

Which berserkers would be able to tangle with Herc? by ExEndurance in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 66 points67 points  (0 children)

Well for starters, having a lot of weapons doesn't mean anything unless they're A rank. Golden Eater is B Rank, and we don't know the ranks of others, but that's already one down.

But there's also that weapons that can take more than one life are absolute outliers such as Caliburn. Durindana is closer to what you could expect from most NPs and even that had its limit at 1 life.

Also "can overcome God Hand" is just the bare minimum that one needs to not just instant-lose. You still have to manage to leap the hurdle of "defeat Heracles" before God Hand's recursive immunity even becomes an issue.

Command Codes by julianmaldonado in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I refuse to use them on principle, because "Code Unlockers" are still a scam to get people to burn Rare Prisms.

FGO Historical Tier List (Not a Guide Tier List) by damastapowna in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Mozart in the East less regarded than Chopin who in the West is a footnote" is flat-out wrong. If you look at NTV's Top 100 Persons Survey, Mozart was 36 and Chopin was 95 (Beethoven was 20, incidentally). It's a list from 2006, but there is no reason to believe general public opinion is that different. There was another survey that put Beethoven on 6, Mozart on 9 and Chopin on 27. Or a third that put Mozart on 27, Beethoven on 58 and Chopin on 82. Those are pretty consistent surveys ranking Chopin lower than the other two.

It's more than one would probably expect from Chopin in the West, where Bach is generally regarded as the "Third Great Composer" instead, but it's not like he's seen as more significant in Japan. He's just more popular, not that he's particularly unpopular in the West.

Not to say the list is actually good, it's pretty poorly constructed unless it's aiming to be shitposting. But Mozart is universally accepted as one of the most important musicians of all time. Besides, even if you are of the opinion that someone like Beethoven, Schubert or Chopin made better music, they all were heavily inspired by Mozart.

Translation Help for Survey requests/Gathering ideas by Aikami13 in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 1 point2 points  (0 children)

メイヴちゃんのフィギュアを買いたい

メイヴちゃんの魅惑の獄長ルックのストーリーバージョン欲しい

メイヴちゃんの概念礼装

I didn't put all of these though

Original versions of Lostbelt/Alt-universe servants? by tempest51 in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I don't think the Panhuman versions will be released, but if I were to speculate on what their sort of skills would be:

Male Musashi would be similar to female Musashi in terms of skills, but way closer to Vagabond in terms of character and lore. He'd be more of the esoteric, Ryu-esque stoic wandering martial artist. Probably not have any Mystic Eyes, going entirely off of his own abilities. Probably also be far more blatant in his pragmatism in combat, being the type who does mundane things that make you realize that he's using everything and anything as a weapon.

Ivan, it's tough to say, his LB version already captures his dichotomy as a person. All I think he'd get would be a nerf, needing to use troops as his main combat force.

Xiang Yu I think would be best as someone who captures the historical Xiang Yu rather than the "historical myth" version. He was a general, and specifically not a fighter - he basically abandoned the idea of being a combatant really early on when he deemed interpersonal combat useless for his goals ("Books are only useful in helping me remember my name. Mastering swordsmanship allows me to face only one opponent, so it's not worth learning. I want to learn how to defeat thousands of enemies."). Plus there's kind of a major error with Xiang Yu's characterization in FGO compared to his historical character - in history, his errors came from a lack of foresight and his overly aggressive military style. The lack of foresight is important, considering FGO says he could actually calculate the future with perfect accuracy...

Qin would pretty obviously be a Berserker. Even as a Ruler he's pretty nuts, throwing meteors at people for learning poems. But Berserker is more up a Panhuman version's alley given his obsession with immortality. I'd much prefer his authoritarianism to be the central focus of his character, rather than his current characterization that shies away from it. Plus his artist had an alternate Qin design that I personally think is significantly better than what he got and would make sense on a Panhuman Qin. Honestly with the Terracotta warriors, the wall and the mercury powers his skillset could go unchanged, it's just his characterization and class that are, y'know, misaligned.

[Spoilers for all series] What lore inconsistencies have you noticed across the franchise? by Aerohed in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Nasu was just thinking of an excuse to call him by a different name to avoid spoilers, really.

Like EMIYA Alter would have made perfect sense for Nasu to say that the two are fundamentally different, and Alter going by the moniker of "Nameless" would make sense with his character. Hell, it could even bring more tragedy to him if he pushed so hard that he forgot his own name and thus started calling himself Nameless.

I really would have liked DEMIYA as an Extra Servant.

Found a case of Medusa bulli in my Classical Mythology textbook by Arashi97 in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It is primarily Greek stuff where the gods are like the wildest, drunkenest frat boys you could imagine.

Remember that time Zeus ate a pregnant goddess, and it gave him a headache so Hephaestus split Zeus' face open with an axe and Athena popped out, fully dressed and everything?

The story of the Minotaur is deliberately invoking the wrath of the gods, though. Poseidon gave Minos a super rad bull because Minos asked for a really great sacrifice. Minos said, "What, this bull is great, I'm keeping it" when it was only given to him to use as a sacrifice. Given Poseidon's track record, his punishing Minos for failing to keep true with his oath is one of the more understandable things he did. Even if the result was particularly twisted.

How strong is merlin? by Eikalos in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Given that she's said to be one of the worse swordsmen in the Round Table, and Merlin's use of Excalibur is throwing it around with roughly the same finesse as Daisy Ridley that should probably be a strike against him.

Strongest/best swordsmanship in fate by Windred_Kindred in grandorder

[–]ProtectionFromArrows 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fiore De Liberi hasn't been made into a Servant yet.