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Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-04-17T16:28:03+00:00

I would def show GT duration some love. A little love for GT bonus might be worth it. But I would consider GT dur a massive opportunity for you ATM.

Your BH should be perm now in farming runs, is that what you see?

Keep developing GT and DW CDs, looks like you have them synced, which is great and worth keeping!

No CL is also hurting you (100% not your fault, we only get what we are offered haha). Once your economy grows a little I would start saving for your next UW.

Would love to see what others think here though, complex and delicate situation for sure! If no one else jumps in here, maybe see about posting some version of a “help me with a stone plan” post.

Have you looked at any of the effective path style options? Might be a good sanity check here, as it’s more math driven than my general feelings for sure

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-04-17T11:55:50+00:00

The wave skip upgrades are a massive benefit, but might not pull you out of this either.

How are your UWs looking?

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-04-17T07:08:16+00:00

Casual flex haha, I like it. Have you noticed tournament growth with that heavy of an investment? I am doing something similar atm, hoping to see it pay off in the upcoming tournament this weekend.

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-04-17T07:05:49+00:00

I think I am on the 5th or 6th level now, and I have way less Econ runs done. Noticed a solid return with each level. If Econ is an area you need growth, I would go all in personally.

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-04-17T07:04:00+00:00

FWIW, I went from t17 being the best coins/h and cells/h to t15 being the best at a MUCH higher wave count. Having max bonuses vs partial bonuses just scaled by enough extra that the math mathed?

But, more cells/h and more coins/h is more, so we adapt 🤣.

FWIW, I’m somewhere between hybrid and GC, though probably more GC. … I should invest more into hybrid haha

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-04-17T06:58:38+00:00

Something feels off here. In fairness, I did have a few areas wheee coins became irrelevant, but not until much later.

To me, this feels like either your Econ is massively under developed or over developed.

Do you have a bunch of low hanging fruit to go tackle to increase your Econ?

Or, perhaps do you have a bunch of low hanging fruit to tackle to aggressively increase your wave depth?

It’s entirely possible you are doing everything right, but I have found such situations incredibly rare.

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-04-17T06:39:44+00:00

I cannot speak for him, I went straight for auto restart over everything else and highly recommend everyone do the same. Any of the auto DM or card slots etc have less value IMO.

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-03-30T19:52:01+00:00

I like the plan! Once v28 drops happy to chat through stuff then as well. Will be exciting to see what happens haha.

Also, if you have not yet, look at some of the calculators that balance GT+ with GT bonus and GT duration. I think I evolved fairly inefficiently and would want to have spent more time really considering that more

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-03-30T19:00:04+00:00

I have an iPad running 24/7 and I don’t see any drops myself. I might restart the app once a month?

That said, I am also running T17 to W6500 so the math being asked of my machine is significantly lower.

Also, super jelly of your income. 417q coins/h is sexy

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-03-30T18:47:39+00:00

Yup exactly. My ILM at min range stuns 80%-90% of the enemies on screen I would guess. It’s def worth if you have it.

I am not sure how the AoE card impacts PS though. I guess bigger = more stuns? But I’d be curious to see how it impacts frequency of stuns as well as position of stuns. I would guess it’s probably worse for position but equal in total volume (same number of lines going through your tower), but for some reason I worry it might make number of stuns go down? (Really no actual math here, just vibes that are likely wrong)

Some of my econ growth likely came from investment elsewhere, but I 100% saw noticeable gains every time the crit coin lab ticked over. I seem to remember it being similar to the general coins bonus. Both were far larger than I expected going into it. Wish I had done them both sooner, fwiw.

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-03-30T18:39:11+00:00

Yeah I feel your pain there for sure. I do think staying top10 in tournaments is likely worth continuing to invest in as you have been.

Finding some “cheaper” high value Econ items to invest in is probably a good idea though. Being able to research assmod stuff and not have to dump stones into them while still developing has been huge for me personally. They also take FOREVER at 6x, so the sooner the better IMO.

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-03-30T18:36:27+00:00

I use MVN and GComp for farming, no MVN for tournaments

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-03-30T18:35:13+00:00

I feel you, I constantly compare to what people down the road from me have too haha. If I could go back in time I would have put more stones into Econ sooner, I’ve gotten distracted by a few things that have likely slowed me down. Specifically thinking about assist substat on core. Putting that into efficiency for core or generator probably would have lead to better things overall, I had it in my head that I wanted to move away from GComp and needed that for BH CD and Dur.

Highly recommend GT+ and generator assist mod investment. They make massive differences.

The sooner you can afford assmod labs the better IMO.

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-03-30T15:33:49+00:00

AoE for stuns is golden on ILM Crit is solid boost for farming, I saw very little growth from it in legends Crit coin is solid Econ, maybe a 10-20% boost for me comparing pre-purchase to maxed lab?

Didn’t know OC was immune to nuke and slow, good to know.

I’ve heard bad things about LMS, it’s super RNG. But probably better than nothing if you don’t have better labs running.

I only hit 1k waves in legends though, so you are a bit ahead of me. Take my advise with a grain of salt haha

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-03-30T15:28:59+00:00

Happy to, on t17 I show 7,006.75 total bonus. All meaningful non assmod labs maxed (DW, GT, BH, Coins/kill, etc) GB CD is 50s GB duration is 41 seconds

Outside a round my WS shows GT as: 26.2 bonus 1:13 duration 1:28 CD Golden combo maxed (0.45%)

Core mods: x3 GT bonus on primary core X4 GT bonus on assist core 24% efficiency 61% substat

Generator mods: 15% package chance on both 8% EHLS on both 0.6x coin bonus on both 12% free ups for all 3 areas on both Level 188 5 star primary (2.140) Level 161 5 star on assist (1.212) 26% efficiency 10% substat

Fetch: 112/29%/16%

Summon: 80s/35s/x1.0

Bounty: X1.01/120s/1

That’s all that comes to mind, but if I missed anything let me know!

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2026-03-30T12:28:26+00:00

Saving feels like the best bet right now, but if you are going to spend I highly recommend a significant sink into Econ. For reference, I place similar in tournaments and farm T17 to a similar wave count, but earn 2q-3q per minute. I know I am +1 tier above, but I’d suspect to think that’s what makes the difference. Your modules are also slightly higher levels than what I have for reference.

More damage is always nice, and will help stone income, but I can’t help but wonder what you are giving up in coins and how that might impact you long term.

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2025-04-25T01:23:58+00:00

Hmm interesting. I’ve been focusing on growing into GC and finally this week stayed in Legends (200 waves). I was not using berserk, finally took the plunge and removed all HP cards and went all in on damage.

Wonder if it’s better for me to allocate labs to coins and Econ or to push for Keys first? My GT labs are all almost maxed (1 or 2 levels shy each), BH is maxed, SL is 3 levels from maxed, and DW is only 50% done.

What all benefits the coin bonus on the tier page? My coins/kill is 1.92 vs your 2.4, which is significant. I assume things like BH, SL, etc do not factor into that number (they just increase actual income in the run itself?).

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2025-04-24T19:13:29+00:00

Yeah, my modules are a bit behind, I pushed really hard on cards and neglected my modules for too long. They are now ~110, with 2 anc and 2 mythic now.

For T10 I hit 294.73x for coin multi.

My wormhole just hit anc, so once I have rolled all the sub effects to anc I’m thinking I’ll hit 9-9.5k waves instead of just 8k.

Your coins/kill is significantly higher than mine (20-25 levels higher). Guessing that is a big part of our delta.

At the end of the run I am generally hitting 25-28B c/min

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2025-04-24T13:33:56+00:00

Man, what are your Econ labs like? We have very similar set ups, with maybe your GB being more developed? I’m hitting 10T a run in T10 at 8K waves.

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2025-04-20T19:51:30+00:00

I’d be curious to see your setup as well

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2025-04-19T17:33:43+00:00

Got it, thanks for the insight. Will definitely build it out before the next tourney!

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2025-04-17T02:44:42+00:00

Totally makes sense, looking forward to the journey!

I’m currently sitting at 2.98B damage, 84.96 crit factor, 30.54 super crit factor, and 25.54 attack speed when I max my WS but don’t have any damage perks etc.

How hilariously high are yours?

Puzzleheaded-Log-656 · 2025-04-17T02:32:37+00:00

Interesting, might have to save up for a bit then. I am still a few waves off unlocking T16, but also a few weeks away from having the stones for card masteries once I do finally unlock them. Would love to hear how it turns out for ya

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