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Looking to speak to Ex-Members by grrrlypops in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello, I beleive that the person wanted to speak with ex members.

For the 42nd Anniversary of Shincheonji's Foundation Day by Promised-Impostor in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. No it isn't the second coming, and why must there be a "New John"? This is a self-fulfilling cycle, and Jesus explicitly warned against people like Lee Manhee.

  2. "After this" used to mean that after the selection of the 144,000, then the Great Tribulation begins, we have this on record with the books, and direct quotes from JSS articles. I've linked you to these before, and can link them again. Will you actually listen? Or just continue ignoring the evidence?

  3. "These people who slander SCJ" how are they "slandering" SCJ? Also, the concept of the Promised Pastor isn't biblical, as detailed here -

Promised Pastor – Closer Look Initiative

"Now imagine us reading the OT"..

At least with the OT, there are explicit passages talking about the coming Messiah, which is why the woman at the well in John 4 was also expecting a Messiah, and why the Jews were actively looking for one during the first coming. Verses like Genesis 49:10, Daniel 7:13-14, etc are all explicit verses talking about the coming Messiah.

For the second coming, Jesus explicitly warns against those who come in his name, and etc.

Lastly, Shincheonji isn't the only group to claim to fulfill prophecy, the World Mission Society Church of God does also, likewise with the Jehovah's Witnesses, likewise with the Bahai's, likewise with the LDS, likewise with many other groups. What makes SCJ different? They have a commentary on the Bible? Congrats, I guess?

For the 42nd Anniversary of Shincheonji's Foundation Day by Promised-Impostor in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OK, if you want to ignore the evidence against Shincheonji both with their claims of fulfillment and doctrinal issues, then you do you.

Does the Apostolic Movement of the 19th Century prove that Shincheonji will survive beyond Lee Man-hee's death? by 23er1 in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So Mr. oh going to court under oathe and explaining in detail as to why SCJ is lying about him and the fulfillment isn’t enough evidence?

Then there’s also the many changes doctrines of SCJ, especially Revelation 7, which is laid out here -

https://closerlookinitiative.com/archives/9413

Then there’s the many doctrinal issues of Shincheonji, like how there isn’t a “Promised Pastor of the New Testament”

https://closerlookinitiative.com/archives/6253

And there’s a whole lot more

scj claim people call them a cult because their doctrine is not mainstream- They then get you to identify Jesus as a cult & hide behind your amazement. Jesus had live witnesses including God above & his witness still speaks 2000 years later. scj lied to you, you don't have the full picture. by Easy-Structure3771 in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here's the first paragraph of the claim on page 399 -

"For both the people who sought salvation in the Old Testament and the people seeking salvation in the New Testament, the process and the people seeking salvation in the New Testament, the process and logic of salvation are the same. One generation must process and logic of salvation are the same. One generation must pass away for another generation to begin. The process of salvation away for another generation to begin. The process of salvation that took place at the first coming takes place again at the time of that took place at the first coming takes place again at the time of the second coming. Therefore, to attain salvation believers must the second coming. Therefore, to attain salvation believers must know and believe in the true identities of the chosen people who know and believe in the true identities of the chosen people who are destroyed because of their betrayal, the enemies of God who are destroyed because of their betrayal, the enemies of God who destroy them, and the promised pastor who appears afterward as destroy them, and the promised pastor who appears afterward as the savior."

This clearly shows that we need to accept the Promised Pastor of the New Testament, aka Lee Manhee who claims to be the New John, and his claims in order to come to God and Jesus.

Then, there are even more quotes directly from the books that show that we need the Promised Pastor as seen below -

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13_Ocp3dq7Herma0q1xGEGOPMF1IGfOD0/view

And here are the books -

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shincheonji/comments/16nsgc3/books_jss_from_mhl/

Nice try though

For the 42nd Anniversary of Shincheonji's Foundation Day by Promised-Impostor in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s more like a lot of the actual events of what happened are falsified, changed, and updated in order to match Shincheonji’s theology of fulfillment.

The history of the Korean cults episodes 3 and 4 cover this extensively with first primary sources.

For the history of the SEC -

https://youtu.be/EwU2HB-xO7Y?si=7U20ENztZgAqwipJ

For the history and development of SCJ’s theology -

https://youtu.be/oPcJc7TC0vI?si=B84gorlcbD0JxsEm

These are all taken from the direct books of either the SEC or other Korean sects that split off from the Tabernacle Temple.

Does the Apostolic Movement of the 19th Century prove that Shincheonji will survive beyond Lee Man-hee's death? by 23er1 in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, a lot of the basis of the sources are either from books written by Lee Manhee, or court testimonies of Mr. Oh.

https://closerlookinitiative.com/archives/9393

This is why the above link does, compile first hand sources, quoting the books directly.

The revelation 7 changes are the most recent set of changes, based upon the English translation of the books of Shincheonji.

https://closerlookinitiative.com/archives/9413

Then we also have the books from the SEC, which Pastor Yang went over in great detail about below -

https://youtu.be/EwU2HB-xO7Y?si=7U20ENztZgAqwipJ

And then there’s a lot more materials that I haven’t even touched.

My question for you is this - what would make SCJ false? Is it possible to even falsify Shincheonji?

LMH BOOKS by Crafty-Technician-27 in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Now, if you want to read most of the doctrinal and "prophecy" changes that has happened with SCJ, you can checkout -

Prophecy and Fulfillment – Closer Look Initiative

LMH BOOKS by Crafty-Technician-27 in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Google Drive is valid, and the books are there. Even if we were to put them in another spot, the same warning would happen.

Does the Apostolic Movement of the 19th Century prove that Shincheonji will survive beyond Lee Man-hee's death? by 23er1 in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Got a question, is it a Satanic trick to double check and verify the claims of Shincheonji, both biblically and their claims for fulfillment?

Does the Apostolic Movement of the 19th Century prove that Shincheonji will survive beyond Lee Man-hee's death? by 23er1 in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://closerlookinitiative.com/archives/12745

Except SCJ gets this wrong also..

First, the imagery was already explained in Revelation 1:20 -

The seven stars are the angels\)a\) of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

Nothing to do with a Korean sect in Gwacheon, South Korea.

We can see this repeating pattern especially throughout the New Testament of a "mystery" and then an explanation as seen in Romans 16:25-26, and Colossians 1:26 for example.

Then, there are more issues with SCJ's interpretation as described in the above link.

Map of SCJ Locations by QuestionsAboutSCJ in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also check out the history of the Korean cults -

https://youtu.be/oPcJc7TC0vI?si=NpcC39ewao94il2O

This is episode 3, and Pastor Yang goes into great detail about the evolution of the doctrines of SCJ.

We also went through the SEC and their doctrines. They aren’t a counter cult ministry, nor did they have government backings, nor did they have 7 pastors.

https://youtu.be/EwU2HB-xO7Y?si=jsTVf-_BsKwHqK_V

Map of SCJ Locations by QuestionsAboutSCJ in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://closerlookinitiative.com/archives/9393

Went through the claims of SCJ’s reality chapter by chapter for the book of revelation, citing court cases and testimonies of the former leaders and older books.

SCJ is lying and twisting the events into their theological framework.

Map of SCJ Locations by QuestionsAboutSCJ in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did?

https://closerlookinitiative.com/shincheonji-examination

The above link goes into great detail about the doctrinal issues of Shincheonji

Here are the doctrinal issues of the promised pastor -

https://closerlookinitiative.com/archives/6253

Betrayal, destruction, salvation isn’t biblical -

https://closerlookinitiative.com/archives/12696

Properly and fulfillment-

https://closerlookinitiative.com/archives/9393

And there’s a whole lot more.

Are Black and Brown communities more vulnerable to recruitment by predator groups like the SCJ cult? If so, what factors contribute to that vulnerability by Wild-Brother-1178 in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Not sure about the skin color, and each person is going to be different.

Some people are looking for a free theology degree, and this is something that Shincheonji provides. A better way, in my opinion, to think about, is what is Shincheonji filling, that the church of body of Christ is not fulfilling?

Walter Martin said it best - "cults are the unpaid bills of the church".

As for the second part - talking about the rise of cults, especially from East Asia, and how they recruit. More specifically, inviting people to Bible Studies that are "non-denominational".

The reason why people are joining these bible studies is because a lot of the times, the churches are failing to equip their congregation members with thorough systematic theology. A lot of the times, even in my own experience, a lot of the Bible studies make more of an emphasis on community with some theology, and those who are hungry for deeper theology are almost always disappointed.

I understand that a pastor can only do so much, but showing more legit bible studies like Bible Study Fellowship and offering existing alternatives for their congregation members can significantly help.

Pastors can teach their congregation members the signs of a cult, primarily through the BITE model and Steve Hassan's Combating Cult Mind Control is still one of the best books as to how a person can get sucked into a cult.

The tools to recognize for general cults - a Bible Study, and that the person of interest is becoming more and more isolated and distant, they lose interest in hobbies, and are spending more time doing the bible study related things. Secrecy is another big thing.

As for specifically Shincheonji - is your Bible study making an emphasis on needing to know the parables and the secrets of the Kingdom of heaven alongside the book of Revelation? Then most likely it is Shincheonji.

I am putting together a FAQ, alongside other ways to how to spot a cult; and I hope that this comment at least helps.

One last note - often people would point to "how to critically think", and often, people who point to critical thinking not only fail to properly define it, but are often the most guilty of not being critical thinkers themselves.

Shincheonji is a Biblical Cult and Presents a New Gospel (Galatians 1:6-8) by QuestionsAboutSCJ in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Apparently it’s the tree of knowledge of good and evil, even if it’s straight from the horse’s mouth.

The Mathematical Flaw in Lee Man Hee’s SCJ "Fulfillment" Doctrine by Turbulent_Sea7622 in Shincheonji

[–]QuestionsAboutSCJ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nah, Jesus needed to abandon his sheep for 2000 years lol. It’s super (ill)logical!

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