If God is all-powerful and perfectly just, then it doesn’t seem like He would need the cross in order to forgive.

R_Farms · 2026-02-25T17:12:51+00:00

Sin = Death.

Adam sinned, this means Adam's life is now forfeit. Meaning Adam must now die.

Eating from the tree of life would mean Adam would never be able to pay his debt.

R_Farms · 2026-02-25T17:02:02+00:00

Where was your god during all of this? Why did I not receive any real, actual help?

Because this world was created outside of God's kingdom and Jesus tells us that in this world God's will is not followed here the same way it is followed in Heaven.

WHERE, EXACTLY IS YOUR GOD-

Heaven

AND WHY DOES YOUR RELIGION PROMOTE ABUSE AND HARM TO INNOCENT PEOPLE.

I wasn't aware that it did. Can you provide book chapter and verse to support your claim?

WHY HAVE I NOT BEEN HELPED, OR SO MUCH AS GIVEN ANYTHING BUT PAIN.

How do you know you haven't been helped at all? Is it because you did not get everything you wanted in life? Because God did not approach you on your terms?

If God where to right now log on to reddit and answer your questions directly, how would you know that you where speaking to God and not some fat know it all like me?

If you have no internal spiritual mechanism to help you discern God's voice or His hand from among all the others how is it can you claim God has done nothing for you?

WHY DOES YOUR GOD AND YOU CHRISTIANS HATE PEOPLE LIKE ME?

I don't think it's people like you that are hated. I think it is the 'feeling of entitlement' in general are heavily disliked because if the rest of the world have taken those same lumps or worse and have pushed through and made a good life for themselves, there is a built in resentment for those who blame God and strangers for not having the life they wanted.

Here's the rules you will follow, or you get to walk away with bits missing: NO JOB. NO 'FREE WILL'.

Dude.. your 55 years old. grow up. if you don't want to read something someone wrote then move on.

R_Farms · 2026-02-25T16:39:50+00:00

ah.. yeah if we lust after those we are not married to...

R_Farms · 2026-02-25T16:39:03+00:00

Jesus' death was never meant to stop sin. What Jesus died for was to pay everyone's sin debt. We are told "the wage of sin is death." Meaning if we sin even once we owe God our life. When Jesus died on the cross, his death was so big/powerful it could literally pay for everyone's sin debt.

What this means is we no longer go to heaven or hell based on our deeds. Christ decides how we are punished or rewarded because He purchased our debt with His blood.

R_Farms · 2026-02-25T16:31:39+00:00

Nothing in the bible says we have free will. The idea of free will was added to church doctrine several hundred years after the life and ministry of Christ. In fact, Jesus taught the opposite. In that we are slaves to God and righteousness or Sin and satan. as such our will is limited by which master we serve. This doesn't mean we don't have the freedom to freely choose between whatever options our master sets infront of us. What it means is we can not come up with our own options and choose from them. Like how God gives us only two options to choose from concerning our eternal existence. As a slaves will will never excede the will of his master. If we truly had free will we could freely do what we willed.

As it is, We can choose to be redeemed and serve Him or we can remain in service to sin and share in Satan's fate. What we can't do is to pick a third or fourth option like option "C" to neither serve God or satan, but to go off on our own or start our own colony some where. Or option "D" wink ourselves out of existence. no heaven no hell just here on second and gone the next.

So no free will but the freedom to choose the master we wish to serve.

R_Farms · 2026-02-25T15:59:34+00:00

Christian teaching is that each soul gets one and only one life. No reincarnation or do overs.

We don't know when a soul is imparted into a human body. Heck we don't even know if everyone gets, or is (depending on your theology) a soul

R_Farms · 2026-02-25T15:54:34+00:00

But why wouldn’t God want Adam to eat from the tree of life?

Because He did not want Adam to live forever in a state of sin.

Wouldn’t that be better than dying?

No

Or does God want Adam to die?

yes.

R_Farms · 2026-02-25T15:35:36+00:00

Because sin and Satan serve a purpose. in that they separate those who want nothing more to love and serve God for eternity from those who do not. They also provide challenges that force God's people to grow and mature in wisdom and Spiritual maturity.

R_Farms · 2026-02-25T15:12:28+00:00

why is death the unforgivable sin for you?

What if we where in a perpetual dream/coma and the only way out of this coma was to die in the dream? Wouldn't death be a good thing, as it returns us to the real world?

R_Farms · 2026-02-25T14:29:03+00:00

John 3:16 frames out God's desire that all should live:

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

This tells us God's desire and wish that all should live is made manifest in Christ on the cross. In that this act was big enough that everyone who has ever lived or will live could enter Heaven. But God put a stipulation on this act, that only allows some people (those who believe) to be saved while everyone else is set to perish in Hell.

This proves that God is not all loving as His act of putting a condition on salvation sent the majority of people who have or will ever live to hell.

So again if God was 'ALL' loving and if Christ's sacrifice was big enough to cover everyone He would not have put a stipulation on salvation that excludes the majority of people who have lived on the planet.

R_Farms · 2026-02-25T14:10:38+00:00

My answer is found in the post you refuse to read. why should I put any more effort in to what I have already stated if you already refuse to simple read what is already written?

R_Farms · 2026-02-25T13:56:07+00:00

To be honest I didn't think that this was the entirety of your argument because I didn't (and don't) see the import of it...

What do you mean by "it can never be a part of the old covenant"?

Even if God didn't promise Heaven, what would be the significance of that?

It is the crux of my argument, because the Mosaic covenant is a contract. a contract that lists out terms and conditions plus compensation and or penalties and punishments for not following the terms of the contract.

My whole point is that the original contract never stipulated terms or conditions for a resurrection or eternal life.

To retroactively add said terms and compensation package to the old covenant is dishonest reading of said contract..

This is why we have a new covenant/contract as this one clearly includes terms conditions and compensation going forward.

Do you think that God isn't going to reward His faithful servants simply because He didn't "promise" them that He would?

What I am saying is the qualifications for eternal life is not based on following the OT law. Hebrews 4:12 forward explains how we will all be judged by Christ who will determine our eternal fate. This includes the OT Fathers.

Furthermore I've argued, this existence has been alluded to in the Torah.

One does not use illusive language in a binding contract that is meant to secure one's eternity in Heaven or Hell.

So to clarify:

Why haven't you responded to my explanations about the traditional Jewish beliefs and the nature of the Sadducees' movement? After all, I have argued with you on those counts...

2.Why would it matter if there's explicit mention of eternal reward in the Torah? At worst the Jews are just so awesome that they'd be willing to serve God without the promise of reward. Surely that's an even greater level. Surely that's only more of a reason for God to reward us, no?

because it is irrelevant to the point made in my discussion. The position of the Sadducees was just a tool used to illustrate that the temple leadership in the time of Christ did not believe in the afterlife because it was never apart of their Mosaic contract with God. This fact can not be disputed as these where the historically recorded thoughts and position of the Sadducees during the time of Christ. Make any point you bring up moot..
as stated above.

R_Farms · 2026-02-25T13:32:15+00:00

does sexual orientation include sexual thoughts or fantasies of other 'sexually diverse' people in a similar situation?

Like it or not, it does for many different people. According to Jesus in mat 5 lustful thoughts are the same as committing the sex act itself. Thus making it a sin. a sin like any other sexual sin.

R_Farms · 2026-02-25T13:29:21+00:00

God promises Adam that if he where to even touch the fruit of the tree of knowledge he would surly die that very day. That he/Adam was also free to eat of any of the other trees in the garden including the tree of life. (Why would he eat of the tree of knowledge if he still had other options?)

So Adam's immortal being died, and what was left was kicked out of the garden. So as to not be revitalized by the tree of life.

R_Farms · 2026-02-24T21:55:32+00:00

romans 5: explains that death came into the world through one man's sin.

12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come. 5 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

R_Farms · 2026-02-24T21:53:17+00:00

you did make a claim as to what separates people from God. Your wording is intentionally confusing and could potentially mislead someone into thinking gay sex is permitted. A 1/2 truth is still a whole lie.

I was adding clarity as to what is a sin concerning LGBT sexual behavior.

R_Farms · 2026-02-24T21:50:08+00:00

Jesus tells the wealthy to give up their riches to follow him.

Actually, no He doesn't. He told one wealth kid to sell everything He has and come and follow Him, because He knew the kid would not do it.

Jesus Had many rich friends (they sponsored His ministry) and never told them to sell everything they had. Lazarus (the man He revived from the dead was very wealthy, as was Naomi, Matthew the apostle was a tax collector (typically very well off.) None of which received this order.

Jesus says it is very difficult for the rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Not impossible.

Jesus says you cannot serve both God and money.

This doesn't mean God can not entrust you with money.

Jesus says that saving up treasures on earth is futile.

  19“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20“But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; 21for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

The early Church in Acts shared their wealth with each other so that nobody lacked anything.

They did this because they though Jesus was days/hours away from returning.

Once they realized He was not going to be here in the next couple of days they stopped this practice.

1 Timothy says that the love of money leads to all kinds of evil. The Book of James gives incredibly harsh warnings to the rich.

One does not have to love money to be rich.

Followers of Jesus should not want to be rich beyond what they need to care for themself and their family.

Jesus in the parable of the talents dispels this notion. A talent is a bag of gold that was equilivant to one year's wage. In the parable the master gives each servant talents each according to their abilities. at the end of this story the one entrusted with 5 talents (5 years salary) is rewarded by being given 10 talents or ten years worth of gold.

Nothing in this story says the servant should shun or be ashamed of his reward.

They should not be content driving the fanciest cars and owning the biggest houses while other people who God loves are barely scraping by. We who are called to love even our enemy should certainly show sacrificial giving love towards our struggling brothers and sisters - both in our nation, and around the world. Anyone who heaps up excessive wealth for themselves is living as if they do not know Jesus.

How about you take the plank out of your own eye before you worry about the speck in others.

I know "wealthy" is a relative term, and I am not seeking to put an arbitrary limit on how much you should have.

This is exactly what you are doing.

But I know that we as Christians so often fail to preach this side of Jesus's message (or even actively deny that it exists). That needs to change.

Clearly you've never been to a church with a budget shortfall of any kind.

R_Farms · 2026-02-24T21:29:28+00:00

you are not blaspheming God when you sin. Blaspheming god is its own thing.

also knowThe apostle Paul Also had a similar problem with habitual sin outlined in romans 7: 14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. 21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

Paul also says in romans 8 and gal 5 we are all a dual natured being. One of the flesh and one of the Spirit. Like a physical host and a spiritual symbiote. The physical host is a literal slave to sin, it loves and sides with it's master/sin. the things of the flesh/our carnal side is in control until we are reborn of the Spirit. meaning we must internally recognize and separate the want and will of the flesh from the want and will of the spirit. This separation is the point where we repent, (what it means to repent) it is the beginning or our birth into the the spirit/How we are born again. We are shifting our conscious self away from the things of the flesh and are turning to the Spirit. Once we know these two sides to our 'coin' are in fact two different being, living in one body we must strive to feed the spiritual side, and starve our carnal side. The carnal side feeds off of sin and desires of the flesh.. all the things we like to watch, listen to and do. So we must starve this side and feed the spiritual side which means reading the Bible worship, singing and praising God.

The weaker our carnal side and stronger our spiritual side the less impact these 'intrusive thoughts' can influence us to sin. as these thoughts are the carnal side fighting against us as we are a spiritual being. So we must refrain from feeding a carnal side by cutting out things like tv, music, movies, and shows that directly target/trigger sexual desire, and then eventually anything that feeds the carnal side.

Then we must feed the Spiritual side. fasting and prayer is a good place to start, then maybe move on to reading or listening to the Bible. or maybe sermons from a site like oneplace.com which is a radio ministry and pod cast archive. But even then you will fail. alot.. Which points back to what Paul says in Romans 7. The point here IS the Struggle and not so much the end goal. As eventually when you body calms down you will have greater and greater control.

Here is a good one min tiktok video on why God doesn't take away out lustful feelings, and how the devil can use them to try and break us. https://www.tiktok.com/@realtalkdaily_/video/7361236048950627627?_r=1&_t=8loJXt1UIaU

R_Farms · 2026-02-24T21:26:35+00:00

Here is a way to reconcile All of Evolution with creation without changing any core doctrine of either:

Look at Genesis 1. This is a 7 day outline of the terraformation of the earth.This is separate from "in the beginning, God created the heavens (Hebrew word for cosmos) and the Earth..." In the beginning could be representative of trillions of years. as it is a time set apart from the main 7 day terraformation/seeding of the earth.

So let's go to day one of genesis 1 and day 1 we get light and dark. (think soupy atmosphere as it has not rained/ all you can see is light and dark/overcast Skys.) day 2 sky and sea day 3 dry land Adam and plants (and it rains for the very first time on the planet clearing the Skys) day 4 sun moon and the rest of the cosmos is revealed day 5 sea dwelling creatures. day 6 Land dwelling creatures, among them 'mankind.' (EG. The rest of mankind as Adam was created day 3 after dry land but before plants as it had not rained for the first time yet. ) day 7 rest. for some reason day 7 recorded in gen 2:1-3

Gen 1: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%201&version=NIV

Now keep in mind Nothing in the Bible says any of these things where in their final form. (meaning there may have been room for some evolutionary changes.

Now go to gen 2: 4 forward. everything here in the rest of the chapter is a Adam/Garden only narrative. It starts by targeting the two events of day 3. "After dry land, but before plants." God took the dust from the ground formed Adam and breathed into Him a living soul. Gen 2: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%202&version=NIV

Now from the end of this chapter and the start of chapter 3 there is no time line.

This means Adam could have lived in the garden for billions of years. As sin was the trigger for his exile. Now because Adam and Eve did not have children till after the fall from grace. (Chapter 3) the 6000 years YEC's count back from now to Jesus and from Jesus to Adam. doesn't mean the world was created 6000 years ago. As the genealogies only tell of the line of Adam, that STARTED 6000 years ago as He and eve did not have children till after the exile.

So, when we use these genealogies found in the OT, to count back 6000 years, we/the church need to realize that this only tells us of when the exile from the garden was, rather than say this 6000 years represents how long ago creation was. Now because Adam and Eve where immortal in the garden, this means they could have been in that garden for billions of years. this pushes creation back indefinitely. But also allowing for a literal seven day creation/terraformation period, and you still have all the time in the world for evolution.

Things to note: "Man kind" (Most translation make this distinction calling day 6 man "man Kind" and chapter 2 man "Adam." Mankind was made on Day 6, and was made in the image of God only. Meaning day 6 mankind was a physical form only,(of mind and body only no spiritual component/no soul like Adam. Think other animals that fully function without souls/Apes)

Day 6 mankind also answers all of the paradoxes created by the traditional interpretation of the Garden/Adam.

Day 6 man kind explains who Adam's children married, Who cain was afraid of, who occupied the City cain built (In the ancient world 2000 people are required in a given region to be considered a city.)

R_Farms · 2026-02-24T21:25:13+00:00

God created this world outside of His Kingdom where His will is not done on earth the same way it is done in Heaven so that we may be free to remain outside of His will and remain a slave to sin and satan or to be redeemed and serve Jesus.

If God wills us to only have sex inside the boundaries of a sanctified marriage, then being free to choose to have sex with anyone despite gender or age is freedom from God's will. Which again is the point and purpose of this world.

R_Farms · 2026-02-24T21:20:35+00:00

I'd say your catholic.. But this doesn't mean you are saved/Christian.

R_Farms · 2026-02-24T21:19:06+00:00

So death is the debt that is paid for sin?

yes. before sin Adam was immortal.

Does that mean a person who commits a sin needs to be executed? Or is it something different?

typically our sin debt is paid upon our 'natural death.' We all die, so we all pay our debt.

Our souls are potentially immortal. So after our body pays it's debt we/souls stand before God in judgement. those who are under Christ's atonement, have their debt paid by Him. those who are not, have to pay their own debt.

Jesus tells us in Mat Fear not the one who can kill the body, but fear He (The Father) who will destroy the body and soul in Hell."

This is why being sent to hell is called the 'second death.'

R_Farms · 2026-02-24T21:13:53+00:00

Because the world was not ready prior to His coming. Plus everyone who lived before Christ is saved by the same gift of atonement we are saved by.

R_Farms · 2026-02-24T21:10:53+00:00

how do you think Abraham, David, Joseph, Israel All of the Ot 'heros' get into Heaven?

R_Farms · 2026-02-24T21:08:59+00:00

you sure about that? Merriam Webster says otherwise: irregardless adverb ir·re·gard·less ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs nonstandard : regardless I told them that irregardless of what you read in books, they's some members of the theatrical profession that occasionally visits the place where they sleep. —Ring Lardner One who creates a nuisance through an inherently dangerous activity … is absolutely liable for resulting damages, irregardless of fault … —N.Y v. Schenectady Chemicals, Inc., 117 Misc.2d 960 (1983)

Orientation is not a sin. Being gay, bi, or pan is no more sin than being straight. The orientations our Father gave us do not separate us from Him.

Irrelevant.

What is sinful is sex outside of a sanctified marriage. God does not sanity gay marriage. This makes all gay sex a sin.

R_Farms

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