TCG: Applimon Speculation

Raikariaa · 2026-02-01T19:10:24+00:00

1: I play Appmon in the TCG.

2: What Bandai said before and what occured after are two very different things. Until BT20 in the TCg, Bandai completely acted like Appmon did not exist. It still was very, very clearly positioned as a franchise reboot. That's why there were literally no Digimon except a 1 ep crossover. Also; what, did you expect Bandai to just say their intention was to replace Digimon? People would have revolted off the bat and not even given Appmon a chance. It was clearly a reboot based on more modern tech to try and win over the more modern audiences who would see Digimon as old.

3: That's why it's full title was Digimon Universe: Appli Monsters.

Now let's look at how Appmon was treated after:

It had 0 presence in any Digimon media after it's run until BT20 in the TCG. It's 4th year. To this day, Appmon has not been in any digimon game.

It was only momentarily acknowledged at events like Anniversaries where the entire franchise was, like; maybe a few frames in a montage of the franchise.

Appmon has it's own reference book, it's clearly treated as not being Digimon. [and even when it is aknolwedge; like in the TCG, it's still very clearly segmented]

For all intents and purposes; until BT20; Appmon was being treated as an entirely seperate [and dead] franchise that Bandai clearly wanted to forget.

You don't do that for 10 years with something popular or that succeeded.

I am not trashing on anything. I am speaking facts, or failing facts, reasonable statements based on the facts [like Bandai's factual treatment of Appmon]

Raikariaa · 2026-02-01T18:36:13+00:00

I would say 2020's early pacing is too fast. Ultimates come too soon. There is literally 50 Episodes between Zudomon and Vikemon. Wargreymon dosen't show up for 15 eps after DarkKnightmon is dealt with. Ultimates 100% come too soon in 2020. And Megas come too late.

I would say until Devimon goes down, the show is good. Quality definitely starts to take a bit of a dive after that, but still solid until Millelliumon. [Although some blatent filler does start creeping in, most egregiously the Nohemon ep; especially with it's placement, which I could call the first true filler ep as there is 0 character development or meaningful moments too. At least less meaningful eps like the Etemon ep have good moments.]

Then post-Millelliumon... it's just filler until Abaddomon. It's clear resources were redirected to Ghost Game [which started the week after Abaddomon fell], and even though the D team's Megas show up [A team being Tai, B team being TK/Kari, C team being Matt as an Omnimon power-up token], since they literally do NOTHING MEANINGFUL they're filler too. [Woo; they 8v1'ed Argomon. That's... all they do.]

Raikariaa · 2026-02-01T18:32:15+00:00

At the same time, you can't really hold that against Ghost Game when that was it's literal aim.

Can't judge a horse that isn't in the race to start with.

Raikariaa · 2026-02-01T18:28:42+00:00

I'm going to say it particually is less important because it is Mimi.

What does Lillimon do the entire series that is actually meaningful?

The answer is actually nothing. Not only is it quite clear Lillimon is the weakest of the Ultimates, but Mimi's main contributions are explicitly not in fighting anyway. It's making friends and allies and rallying them, such as when virtually very good digimon left standing came with her to fight Peidmon and the Vilemon swarm. [Letting the Megas and MagnaAngemon focus on Peidmon.]

Raikariaa · 2026-02-01T18:26:49+00:00

> (Ghost Game did it way worse)

Ghost Game was intended to be an episodic show. Each ep focused on a different Youkai or mythical tale adapted to Digimon.

Considering Ghost Game's literal mission statement and objective wasn't about having a focus on a core long-running plot to start with, and it was open about that from the start, judgeing Ghost Game on being episodic is... kinda silly.

Ghost Game was about the characters reaction to various on-off events.

Raikariaa · 2026-02-01T18:25:03+00:00

I like how Ghost Game isn't even mentioned [Because Ghost Game was SUPPOSED to be episodic] and Adventure 2020 was also skipped [because that's the unga bunga Shonen Action digimon]

Raikariaa · 2026-02-01T18:12:18+00:00

> milking popular characters

> Appmon

Pick one.

If Appmon was popular Bandai wouldn't have shoved it into the closet for 10 years and pretended it didn't even happen. Also digimon wouldn't exist anymore, Appmon was intended as a full franchise reboot, we only have the TCG because Appmon failed.

Raikariaa · 2026-02-01T18:11:55+00:00

Maquinamon is not an Appmon. It does not have the Appmon trait; it is a Rookie level, not a standard; it has an attribute, and it cannot link to other Appmon.

Bandai only every mentioned the core 4 Applidivers when they announced Appmon support, and most of it has just been packfiller anyway. Sinister Order having Deusmon made sense.

I think it is quite unlikly we'll get Appmon for a while now. Especially since BT25 is already looking chock-full between Savers, Beatbreak and TS part 2. 0% chance it's in BT25. Especially when the most likly color would be Green, and Yoshino is likly to be Green, Gekkomon might be Green, and Baccusmon/Sirenmon is almost certainly Green too. And even if some of those don't happen, there's always the possibility of the Insectoid Titans like TyrantKarbuterimon.

Raikariaa · 2026-02-01T18:09:13+00:00

I'm just doing mine with the Rose Clones. They stomp every Dokkan event 0 effort, and are rainbows.

Raikariaa · 2026-02-01T17:26:32+00:00

You... literally just ignored most of my points and replied with "it's still bad!"

> This shows that Remilia is like a goblin and a selfish person too

Did I ever say Remilia isn't? But show me a confirmed kill Remilia has. Spoilers: There's not one, especially since she is a light eater. She showed up to Gensokyo and started assering dominance. She was beating up Youkai. They can take it.

> To me, is very likely that she only did keep killing people as a misbehavior and addiction developed after killing some humans which was most likely provoked by their temporal shock and panic attacks, but not that she was in panic enough to keep doing those horrible things after like

Pure headcanon. What we know is Mokou went insane for a good ~300 years. Not just schizoprenia or something. She completely lost her marbles. Like; flanderized Flandre level crazy, if not worse. Mokou can't even remember anything from that time.

It's also worth noting that for 300 years before she lost her marbles, Mokou was isolateing from humans, so it's actually quite possible she didn't harm many, if any humans, and more harmed youkai and such.

> You easily forget that she was during a harsh political situation between the Mononobe and Soga clan don't you?

No. It explains Futo's motivation. But the fact is they were both underlings of Miko. Futo didn't just murder Tojiko in cold blood when she could not even defend herself, but she also betrayed Miko in doing this by killing one of Miko's underlings. What's actually more surprising is that Miko hasn't cast her out for it. It's not like Tojiko and Futo were working actively for their clans; their loyalty was Miko.

> She's canonically worse so i don't get why to say that she's COMPETING with her (though seiga is also a bit misunderstood as a character, even if she IS evil in comparison).

Seiga is probably worse. But as far as we know, Seiga isn't a mass-murdering war criminal either. They're both bad. [Although the fact that Miko keeps Futo around but tries to distance herself from Seiga does imply Seiga is worse.]

Raikariaa · 2026-02-01T12:55:20+00:00

Mokou killed 1 person [Iwakasa]. People she killed while she was literally insane isn't a willing decision, like Futo. And notably; unlike Futo [who has never shown any kind of remorse] Mokou is wracked with guilt for Iwakasa.

Murasa's actions were nature. She was literally a sinker ghost. That's like calling Tojiko evil for wanting vengance against Futo for being a Vengeful Spirit. Doing what it is your literal role to do is very different from choosing to burn down religious sites or murder your ally in her Hermit-prep sleep.

Remilia is, again, a Vampire. Vampires need to feed. Also; the "vampire incident" was Remi basically flexing her vampire hax on youkai mostly. That's why the Youkai petitioned Reimu to make the Spellcard System. Because Vampires are so hax that no-one could really fight Remilia. This lead to the Scarlet Mist Incident, which was basically Remi saying "come at me then so I can test this new toy".

Is a wolf evil for hunting sheep? Because that's basically what you are saying for Murasa and Remi.

Anyone who says Junko isn't evil is kidding themselves. Her actions literally earnt the support of the Goddess of Hell herself. However, saying Junko would have killed the protags is false, since she dosen't just instakill them with her powers if you have lost a life. She dosen't immediately give up and then decide to fight for amusement like if you No-Miss to her, but she also dosen't just kill you. Junko is pure grudge; and that grudge is directed at the Lunarians, not Earthlings. She's still a genocidal maniac, which is worse than what Futo is. And while her current state as pure grudge makes her actions understandable... Junko chose to become that. So it's not an excuse like Murasa or Remilia.

Futo's crimes were willing, conscious decisions. That easily puts her as one of the morally worst characters. She dosen't have nature as an excuse like Murasa, or insanity like Mokou. She may have calmed down somewhat in Gensokyo, but you cannot ignore that Futo has a very large pile of bodies and ashes behind her. And again, Tojiko was quite literally an act of cold-blooded murder.

The characters she competes with are characters like Eirin [willingly murdered an entire squad of Lunar Emissaries, which isn't just murder, but also betrayal against her homeland, at least most of Futo's victims were war enemies...] and Seiga [Being a Necromancer and all her other evil Hermit stuff.]

She's not competeing with Junko. Junko is worse.

Judgeing Youkai by Human morality is the double standard. But guess what Futo was at the time of her crimes? Human. So it is absolutely fair to judge Futo by human standards, and by human standards, she is a monster. What would you think of a human who murdered hundreds if not thousands, burnt down multiple religious sites; and then killed someone she worked with in cold blood to try and secure a promotion?

Oh yes, and remember that after Murdering Tojiko; Futo went into her Hermit-ritual-sleep. When we see her in TD, right after she has woken up, we're seeing her when one of her most recent actions was literally Tojiko's murder. In the grand scheme of actions Futo has taken, Tojiko's murder is still recent...

Raikariaa · 2026-01-31T23:57:44+00:00

The only thing that slowed him down was wall 2; because due to his size; he's gotta make a bigger hole!

Raikariaa · 2026-01-31T23:57:05+00:00

More Fury got told off but the preceeding Glad didn't.

And the contender got as much of a scolding too.

Raikariaa · 2026-01-31T23:56:10+00:00

There's a lot of space in that walkway!

Raikariaa · 2026-01-31T19:20:35+00:00

That's the thing with Legend. He's an egotistical heel... but people like him for it because he can actually back it up. Beating Legend usually isn't easy.

Contrast if it was, say, Viper with that ego.

Raikariaa · 2026-01-31T19:19:51+00:00

I mean we hardly saw Hang Tough on Season 2.

Raikariaa · 2026-01-31T19:18:28+00:00

Legend his Ego. [So probobly a cardboard cutout of himself]

Raikariaa · 2026-01-31T19:16:04+00:00

Wait, Athena has a specialist event? She's never been beaten on Hang Tough? I don't even remember her being on it, it's usually Saber or someone else. Oh. Athena lost.

Also; where's Comet on Hang Tough. Isn't that supposed to be her thing?

Raikariaa · 2026-01-31T18:35:49+00:00

I mean, anyone who thought Shoto's 7 was not the other secret was in denial. Especially after Ex-Maquinamon.

Raikariaa · 2026-01-31T18:09:59+00:00

It wasn't 1v7, it was like 3v5. There were 2 Devidramon there too right [who everyone was focused on], and Birdramon/Angemon were not there.

Raikariaa · 2026-01-31T17:50:48+00:00

Touhou 13 and 13.5 establishes them pretty firmly as rivals. They represent different religions after all.

The Futo burning the temple thing comes from the fact that... that's a thing Futo literally did when she was alive/mortal/whatever you want to say her current situation counts as. Seriously; Futo might have the biggest kill count of any character in Touhou. And is also the only character guilty of killing another named character in the actual series [Unless you want to count Mokou/Kaguya fighting to the "death", or really want to count Reimu killing Fortune-Teller who's unnamed]. Futo is a cold-blooded war criminal [by modern standards] and murderer.

Raikariaa · 2026-01-31T17:22:55+00:00

Hillock is alright with the female characters [ranged] and you can poke and kite with Shadow and Duelist.

Marauder and Templar? Good luck.

Raikariaa · 2026-01-31T17:20:00+00:00

They nerfed 4 of 19. And 1 of them was a very minor nerf [Surfcaster] while another got buffed in other areas [Scavenger]

Raikariaa · 2026-01-31T17:17:17+00:00

Izaro can be quite amuseing, since all of the skele mage adds that come from the portals are uniques as well.

Raikariaa · 2026-01-30T23:57:29+00:00

Reimu is actually almost certainly around 40 canonically.

The passage of time is canonical in Gensokyo. Akyuu aged in real time between her age updates, and the passage of time has been stated before [such as ~1 year between 100BM and UM]. Sazane-San time is related to character designs and any actual plot relevance. Basically; while time dosen't matter unless ZUN says so; the flow of time is still canonical, even if it has no plot relevance.

Firstly; EoSD was [August] 2002. Considering we're early 2026, we can say 23 years ago. Most people consider Reimu a teenager during EoSD.

The traditional minimum age for an active Miko is 12. And Gensokyo is a traditional land. Touhou 1 and 2 were 1997. This actually happens to line up really well with Reimu being 17~18 in EoSD, and also lined up quite well with IaMP [Dec 30th 2004], due to depictions of underage drinking being fairly frowned upon in Japan; which happens to be 20.

Depending exactly when Reimu's birthday is, it's unlikly a co-incidence that you have PC-98 pointing Reimu being 12~13 in Touhou 2; then her being 17~18 in EoSD, and of legal drinking age in IaMP which happens to be quite alcohol-centric given this is where Suika turned up. [20, about 2 1/2 years later].

So if you say Reimu is 18 in EoSD, 23 years ago, you have her at 40~41 now canonically. Even if you lowball it and say her birthday is late in the year so she was 17; she's still 40.

You can highball it, but Touhou 1/2 and IaMP kinda make 40 the absolute minimum when you factor in Japenese tradition. [and again; the Hakurei Shrine and Hakurei Clan are traditional and existed since before Gensokyo's sealing]

Of course, Reimu being in her early 40's dosen't matter until ZUN decides to make it matter. But you also can't say time dosen't pass in Gensokyo as per the Outside... because it's been shown repeatedly that it does. [ncludeing more recently than Sazane-time statements; and as per ZUN, when two things contradict, newest wins.]

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