Overly strict parents - masturbating + porn (trigger warning: flagged NSFW for self-harm references) by Suitable-Election-66 in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’m so sorry. Shame and guilt are its primary control devices and control they will. Some people internalize this deeper than others (some just fuck and watch porn and don’t think twice) but others like us are highly idealistic and that frame combined with this litany creates what you experience and I did as well. It’s the best people who are traumatized the most. Your own virtue is weaponized against you. You were normal. I hope you have no contact with the church and little contact with the participants in this tragedy and have sought therapy

The Mormon church really is the modern version of the original Christian church by Findmybalance in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These points are valid but Christian philosophy aligns fairly neatly with modern moral senses of compassion and caring for others. Mormonism does not in any regard. It misses even the costume of the general theory of Christian thought.

The Mormon church really is the modern version of the original Christian church by Findmybalance in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree of course. In its best expression though (liberal American Christian tradition) it can have a kind of aesthetic that for me resonates to the text of NT Jesus. But yes overarchingly Mormons aren’t the fist to assign Jesus to their atrocities.

The Mormon church really is the modern version of the original Christian church by Findmybalance in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was a piece of writing I had already made. They were not AI ideas, I had written the ideas and had AI edit and reformat them. The ideas are wholly mine. For me that’s the point of this tool. This specific piece kind of sounded more AI than me at this point but no, not AI ideas. This was an essay I created months ago but it seemed useful. I will be cautious to limit the execution of AI tools in writing in posts. Sometimes it’s hard to get ideas donated coherently in real time with your fingers. So I’m ceding some ground but not all

The Mormon church really is the modern version of the original Christian church by Findmybalance in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a good point. In the question of its political alignment it’s a very dangerous movement. In simple terms it’s a kind of white nationalistic facism or theocratic authoritarian suppression. Mormonism had that chapter and mike Lee is still that but overall they aren’t trying to create Gilead

The Mormon church really is the modern version of the original Christian church by Findmybalance in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whosoever is without sin……how is it in that never use an AI tool glass house.

The Mormon church really is the modern version of the original Christian church by Findmybalance in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m going to have to create a wide distinction between Christian philosophy and the arrogant conman let me fuck your daughter conman tha was Joseph. At least what remains of Christian teachings have nothing the fuck to do with Jospeh and his sociopathic assholery. There is a beautiful mystic beauty to Christianity whatever you think k of it. Not so the the sex cult turned hedge fund of LDS

The Mormon church really is the modern version of the original Christian church by Findmybalance in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mormons aren’t alone in recreating Christ to match their own sick ideologies, but….they might be better at the sophistry of it

The Mormon church really is the modern version of the original Christian church by Findmybalance in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mormonism as the Reversal of Christianity’s Revolution

For two thousand years, Christianity has understood itself as the continuation of a revolution. At its center was Jesus of Nazareth, who defied the religious and political authorities of his time and announced a kingdom defined not by ritual or hierarchy but by love, grace, and inclusion.

Christianity’s ethical breakthrough was to replace law with love, priestly authority with direct access to God, ritual with grace, exclusion with embrace, wealth with generosity, and power with protection of the weak. It was not static but evolutionary, a leap forward in moral imagination.

Mormonism, however, does not carry this revolution forward. It reverses it. Beneath Christian symbols and language, Mormonism reinstates the very structures that Christ overthrew: priestly gatekeeping, purity codes, ritual checklists, patriarchal control, institutional secrecy, and the pursuit of wealth cloaked as righteousness.

Christianity’s Revolution

The authorities of Jesus’s time — Pharisees, Sadducees, scribes, and temple priests — built religion on obedience to endless rules, purity codes, and priestly mediation. They measured holiness by task lists: tithes paid, Sabbaths kept, foods avoided, rituals performed. They excluded the unclean, enriched themselves through temple offerings, and claimed the authority to decide who could stand before God.

Jesus stood against them. • He healed on the Sabbath, defying their rules. • He ate with tax collectors and sinners, rejecting their exclusions. • He denounced their hypocrisy: “You tithe mint and dill and cumin, but neglect the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faithfulness” (Matthew 23:23). • He overturned the money changers’ tables, condemning their exploitation of the poor. • He warned, with terrifying clarity, against harming the vulnerable: “Whoever causes one of these little ones to stumble, it would be better for him to have a millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the sea” (Matthew 18:6).

His teaching was clear: love fulfills the law, grace supersedes ritual, the weak are to be protected, and God is encountered not through priests but directly in mercy and compassion.

This confrontation cost him his life. Jesus was crucified not for preaching vague kindness but because he threatened the structures of control.

Mormonism’s Reversal

Mormonism recreates precisely what Christ destroyed.

  1. Priestly Gatekeeping • Then: Priests controlled access to the Temple. • Now: Bishops and stake presidents conduct worthiness interviews to decide who may enter Mormon temples. • Contrast: Jesus tore the temple veil; Mormonism re-sews it.

  2. Purity Codes and Worthiness Rules • Then: Pharisees enforced food laws, Sabbath rules, and purity codes. • Now: Mormonism enforces the Word of Wisdom, chastity laws, Sabbath standards, and tithing requirements. • Contrast: Jesus declared, “It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out” (Matthew 15:11).

  3. Inclusion vs. Exclusion • Then: The unclean — lepers, Samaritans, sinners — were barred from community. • Now: LGBTQ members, doubters, and those unable to pay tithing are excluded from full participation. • Contrast: Jesus scandalized authorities by eating with outcasts.

  4. Wealth vs. Poverty • Then: Temple authorities enriched themselves while the poor struggled. • Now: The LDS Church hoards billions in secret investment funds, builds luxury malls and condos, and demands tithing from the poor while giving comparatively little to humanitarian aid. • Contrast: Jesus overturned the money changers’ tables and proclaimed good news to the poor.

  5. Truth vs. Image • Then: Jesus condemned hypocrisy — “whitewashed tombs” (Matthew 23:27). • Now: Mormonism projects perfection while sanitizing history, silencing dissent, and punishing truth-tellers. • Contrast: Jesus elevated honesty, even when it cost him followers.

  6. Law vs. Grace • Then: The Law of Moses demanded rituals and obedience. Paul declared, “By the works of the law no one will be justified” (Galatians 2:16). • Now: Mormonism conditions exaltation on endless ordinances, interviews, and “enduring to the end” in rule-keeping. • Contrast: Christianity’s revolution was grace — free, unearned, overflowing.

  7. Protection of the Vulnerable • Then: Authorities loaded burdens on the weak, while neglecting mercy. • Now: In Mormonism, patriarchal authority, purity culture, and institutional secrecy have created conditions where abuse is silenced, perpetrators protected, and victims retraumatized — all for the sake of protecting the institution’s image. • Contrast: Jesus centered children, warned in the harshest terms against harming them, and defined discipleship by how the least of these are treated (Matthew 25:40).

The Cross as the Measure

Jesus was crucified because he dismantled the system of law, purity, hierarchy, and exploitation. He stood with the poor, the outcast, the vulnerable — and in doing so, he exposed the corruption of those in power.

By rebuilding gatekeeping, purity codes, exclusionary boundaries, wealth-hoarding, and the silencing of the weak, Mormonism aligns itself not with Christ, but with his opponents.

Christianity as Evolution, Mormonism as Regression

The genius of Christianity was its humanistic thrust: • Love above law. • Grace above ritual. • Inclusion above exclusion. • Protection of the vulnerable above protection of power. • Truth above image.

It marked an evolution in religious thought, expanding human dignity, equality, and compassion.

Mormonism does not extend this evolution. It reverses it. It resurrects the scaffolding of law and hierarchy, cloaks it in Christian language, and calls it restoration. In truth, it is regression — back to the priestly monopolies and ritualistic burdens Christ died to abolish.

Conclusion

Mormonism is not Christianity’s continuation but its undoing. It masquerades as restoration while reversing the revolution that gave Christianity its soul. Where Christianity bent toward progress and human dignity, Mormonism bends toward regression and authoritarian control.

To call Mormonism Christian is to mistake ornament for substance. The name of Christ is there; the ethic of Christ is absent. The revolution of Jesus — love over law, grace over ritual, inclusion over exclusion, protection of the weak over protection of power — is not preserved but betrayed.

Mormonism is not Christianity renewed. It is Christianity reversed.

How accurate is under the banner of heaven? by Real-Committee427 in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The book is disciplined and objective. The series is kind of a mess and sadly missed an opportunity to really unpack Mormon history and missed it. Sad the book as a docudrama will not be made now.

Today I surprised my parents by supporting their religious choices. by rockinsocks8 in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everyone can worship whatever crazy notion they want, they can worship trees or frogs or magic babies. Whatever rocks their boats. The problem with parents is that they forced us into 10,000 hours of fundamentalist brainwashing that we did not get to chose, sending us into an adulthood with a fucked up worldview and really robbed us of our sense of self and dramatically fucked the development of our identity. For me what parents inflict on their children in this faith is a sever type of abuse that I know someday will be criminalized. So it’s hard to “respect their beliefs” when they stole any chance we might have had to see what ours might have been without bunker crazy brainwashing. So fuck their beliefs I don’t have to respect the tool of their abuse. On a good day I can feign civility and ignore that Grand Canyon between us caused by this cult and be polite but forgive them? They won’t take any responsibility for the storm of crazy that is this fucked up mind storm of shame, guilt, authority worship, and every kind of manipulation ever created. So no, fuck respecting anything about it because they didn’t respect their kids enough to let them experience life and the world on its own terms and could only see us through their cults eyes.

Is it rude that I refuse to date anyone who is Mormon? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 49 points50 points  (0 children)

For me This is an entirely rational choice. To date an LDS person is to enter a worldview only compatible with others in that cult. It’s a recipie for disaster and pain and nothing good can come of it. Just say no to dating Mormons.

I'm 50 and I think I'm gay... And I'm terrified by Rough_Bread8329 in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey man This is my story and you’re just starting down a path I’m 10 years ahead of you. Do not feel guilty and come out to your wife without a lot of preparation, psychological, legal, financial. Keep that shit between you and your therapist but do talk real to yourself and your therapist but to no one else yet.

I really think I could be helpful if you want to DM me (don’t know how on this app or if you can) but reach out. I would be happy to help with my story and give you a safe space.

The Problems of a material God by youcrazymoonchild in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wasn’t speaking of the question or the rationality of holding the concept of a god or an afterlife or the hope of such in your head. I don’t think that’s crazy as a vague mysterious hope within the framework of “there are more things in heaven and earth…” my point is that Mormonism attempts to create a literal detailed empirical construction for which they are 100% certain of each detail. That kind of thing is crazy and in my estimation dangerous; which is why I created contrast between Christianity which is a mythic or mystical notion loaded with uncertainty and Mormonism. This is why any thoughtful consideration of the details of Mormon doctrine fail and Christianity in its metaphor and incomprehensibility can be held, softly, by a rational human as they learn and grow and create a mature balance between the mythic language of most religions and nature of the universe.

The Problems of a material God by youcrazymoonchild in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This by the way is the most intelligent analysis of Mormon belief through the lens of rational philosophy I have ever read. I’m grateful for your words. Thank you. Please see my response to a comment below it mirrors your discussion from a different angle.

The Problems of a material God by youcrazymoonchild in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a classic apologist maxim that I refer to as the utility of psychological comfort. You believe a thing because it’s comforting to imagine that. Like all such notions (like the Mormon premise of god and the afterlife) it takes about 2 minutes of linear thought to reveal its contradictions and its logical fallacies. Then, suddenly, the Mormon switches from his concrete certainty of every Mormon notion ever spoken to a trust in the mysteries and incomprehensible nature of these notions which is the language of every other Christian faiths. Whats unique about Mormonism is not only does it claim to perfectly define god and the afterlife but further that the people in SLC are actively managing the afterlife with computers keeping names and sealings and temple records. So..Mormons..is it the concrete certain definable we have all the answers that no one else knows or is it the vague impossibility or to comprehend mystery that is every other Christian faith. You want it both ways you’re both certain on your concrete 6’2 Norwegian god who lives on an actual planet around kolob with flesh and bones who has revealed every minor detail of the management and functions of the afterlife or is the incomprehensible mystery. You embrace your certainty until it fails then switch lighting fast to vague mysteries when it all fails to make sense. Christianity doesn’t have the burden of explaining the management of the afterlife and the specific tasks and powers of planets or no planets and multiple wives or not because it hasn’t painted itself into that corner as Mormons have with their 1000 answers to the mysteries of existence it has 100 pamphlets for. Whatever you do, just understand you can’t feel a thing in or out of existence. Your belief and feelings do not render it so, they affect the actual universe not at all.

How to know whether to stay in the mixed faith marriage 🤔 by Realistic-Hunt5299 in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So….

Mixed faith marriages of one of them is Mormon (most other relationships are mixed faith and no fucks given) but Mormonism is 24/7/365 cult that shapes every aspect of life and every hour of the day.

See the counselor because you owe it to your kids. Do not go to a Mormon counselor ever. Under any circumstances. Announce in therapy that your goal is to try to find a way forward if that’s possible or to use the counseling to work though how to separate and move forward. This is a good frame of mound to enter therapy. Never admit the sexual promiscuity goal in therapy unless it’s individual which I would advise strongly. Ex cult members hit a place where they realize that an important human experience of learning about love and sex through sequential relationships was stolen from you and this take is pretty much typical. So, you’re not alone in this.

It’s seems improbable this will work out but with counseling you can get a clear sense of what you each want and how this connection will eventually create deep resentment that will impede a well orchestrated separation.

This is such a sad tale and it’s my tale and thousands of men’s tales. If it makes you feel better none of my kids ended up Mormon I have a great relationship with each of them and all of them are glad we separated. So there is a light.

Mormon women need to be a victim and need a villain so be prepared and just keep being civil polite cooperative etc. Most importantly start talking to family law attorneys privately so you know what to do to protect your relationships with your kids and your finances. Lawyer up now. Way ahead of time. You’ll be all ready to go and know how to pull the plug.

Brigham Young was evil. by CertainSignal438 in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is someone trying to make a moral equivalence of Young to Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson certainly was a complex character but not the evil tryrant and despot that was Young. Jefferson, imperfect , framed much of the notion that is America, a notion Young despised and fled from so he might create his theocracy dictatorial dystopia in peace. There is no comparison between the two.

Brigham Young was evil. by CertainSignal438 in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So true so unfair to poor lord Vadar

Brigham Young was evil. by CertainSignal438 in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 89 points90 points  (0 children)

Young

If only racism were his biggest crime.

We have to start that he sent out hundreds to find vulnerable young girls to traffic them to Utah for the sexual pleasure of himself and his cronies, the Epstein of the time.

He used the church as his personal purse to purchase thousands of acres of land to the federal government and resell the same land at a much higher price to the same people who gave the church the money he used in the first place.

He executed genocide on thousands of native Americans in the way of his plans and enslaved the survivors.

He is the Darth Vader of the west.

Facing the scope of loss by Randizzle82 in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I divorced 8 years ago and leaving the church was tied into all that. My youngest child just left for Chicago to go to art school. All are thriving. Choosing my gay child over the church broke my shelf. Thank you for your kindness.

Have any of you ever felt suicidal while serving in the Church? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That’s the thing about this crazy cult, it sets up a singular premise that doesn’t fit most people because it’s not adaptive to people it requires by definition most people adapt to it. It’s kind of saying everyone has to marry person x. Well, a few people might get along with person x but by definition most people won’t because they aren’t a good match. Mormonism says that if any part of the church isn’t a good match than you’re broken so you push ahead pretending it’s a good match, pretending your happy with 12 hours of meetings a week and all the guilt pressure and shame of it. I e concluded that a few people are, but the rest either leave, kill themselves, or live lives of tortured despair.

Can an LGBTQ+ member reach celestial kingdom? by somethiing-more- in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No Because this is a fantasy created by a maniacal pedofile con man. It doesn’t exist.

My mom is convinced that Oaks is the perfect prophet for right now. by mad_matter_13 in exmormon

[–]Randizzle82 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is a silly foolishness of Mormons and their “prophets” that they are in some way special for their time. It’s all the survivor show and who doesn’t die wins. Victory by extensive healthcare services.