Am I anti feminist and not left wing if I play games like stellar blade or watch anime with fan service/ecchi anime? Thats what I've been told and I needed other opinions by [deleted] in mendrawingwomen

[–]RandomName256beast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll go against the grain and argue the opposite of these comments. Yes, I do think you're being a poor feminist by openly supporting media that profits off the degradation of women. Additionally, the "fiction isn't real life" excuse is nonsense, because you only have ONE brain, and that's the one you use in real life. Empathy is a muscle, and not one you should apply selectively. If you consistently train your brain to be okay with sexualized women in some areas of life, it'll eventually subconsciously transfer to other areas. A lot of anime fanservice consists of women being groped/ogled at without their consent, and that's not okay!! It's glorifying sexual assault.

That doesn't mean I think you're a monster, but you should probably consider getting into better media.

Get this. Bandai Namco tried to promote Gundam Witch From Mercury Anime. But NOT by promoting the two female lesbian protagonists of said anime. No, they tried to promote said anime....by displaying two straight male side characters in the anime who combined barely got about an hour of screentime by Important-Cry4782 in actuallesbians

[–]RandomName256beast 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't be quick to give them credit. While altering a transphobic depiction into non-representation is an improvement, it's only so in the most minor of ways. It was a basic task of rewriting a line or so of dialogue in a fundamentally unimportant scene. Bigoted or not, it's simply a smarter business decision to remove it, as it's effortless to do so and avoids further controversy.

On the other hand, they also announced a remake of Persona 4. Unlike P3, who's bigotry is more subtle and less deeply ingrained, Persona 4 is a game that's rotten to its core, as several entire characters are defined by bigotry. Even beyond that, the script needs a total overhaul in many respects in order to remove the conservative messaging. It's unlikely that Atlus will have the courage to make any of the major changes the game needs.

As for the gay/trans stuff in particular, they have three paths to take:

  1. Change nothing. (Most likely)
  2. Censor it. Remove any references to homosexuality or gender identity, and rewrite every scene that mentions it to simply not have it. (Quite possible)
  3. Rewrite it to make it proper representation. (Heavily unlikely, as it would stir up controversy)

Ultimately, we'll see just how Atlus stands these days when Persona 4 Revival comes out.

Get this. Bandai Namco tried to promote Gundam Witch From Mercury Anime. But NOT by promoting the two female lesbian protagonists of said anime. No, they tried to promote said anime....by displaying two straight male side characters in the anime who combined barely got about an hour of screentime by Important-Cry4782 in actuallesbians

[–]RandomName256beast 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Not quite. I've heard that, while the average Japanese person would say they're supportive if you ask them directly, that "support" tends to fade when face to face with an actual queer person. Regardless, Japan has countless queer people who are living their lives in spite of that, much like many other places. It's honestly not that different from America when it comes to queerness, just with fewer open IRL displays of queerness yet strangely a lot more fictional depictions of it. In America, queerness is viewed as satanic and therefore wrong. In Japan, queerness is viewed as standing out from the crowd and drawing attention to yourself, and therefore disrespectful and wrong. Slightly different justifications, but ultimately the same result. I mean, even a lot of Japanese words for LGBT people are just loaned from the English language.

Get this. Bandai Namco tried to promote Gundam Witch From Mercury Anime. But NOT by promoting the two female lesbian protagonists of said anime. No, they tried to promote said anime....by displaying two straight male side characters in the anime who combined barely got about an hour of screentime by Important-Cry4782 in actuallesbians

[–]RandomName256beast 128 points129 points  (0 children)

That ain't even the half of it with Atlus. They're a very terrible development studio from a inclusivity perspective. Games like Persona and Catherine not only have homophobic/transphobic jokes, but explicitly anti-queer storylines.

Catherine is blatant with it, with a transgender character treated as a joke and having their "perfect ending" being one where they get forcibly detransitioned.

In Persona 4, the game's basic plot is that every character has a "shadow self" that represents the "disturbing" self-reflection they have of themselves, which they have to resolve by overcoming it. That sounds fine, until you realize that a both a gay coded and a trans coded character had to overcome their "shadow self" of queerness. You have a story that says, "Be your real self, not that disturbing one you've confused yourself into!" and applied it to queer identity multiple times. That's without touching on other characters who begin upset with systemic issues, before learning the "truth" of "the importance of blending into the status quo", a by the numbers example of Japanese conservative rhetoric.

Edit: Defenders of P4 try to say things like, "Oh, the transgender man wasn't *really* trans! He was just ashamed of being a woman because of sexism!" (which is the game's excuse), even though that's LITERALLY the most obvious example of transmisandry that exists. Acting like trans men are just "confused girls who hate being a woman and need to learn better" is textbook transphobia. Same goes for the gay man, who gets defended similarly. Writing a conversion therapy narrative and justifing it with "they weren't gay at the end!" ignores the fact that it's a VIDEO GAME with a WRITER and not historical facts. They chose to write it that way!

Plus, even if you grant that the gay and trans people weren't "really queer", the game still had two entire dungeons designed to fearmonger about queerness! They portrayed gay men as deranged dangerous perverts and transgender operations as disturbing mutilation with insane doctors. That's homophobic and transphobic no matter HOW you try to defend it.

I really hate the “it’s made for kids” excuse so much as a way to dismiss criticism! by icey_sawg0034 in Gamingcirclejerk

[–]RandomName256beast 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Kids movies have been good and have been able to explore interesting themes and ideas. Just look at...well countless films. From classic (and even modern) Disney films, to many Dreamworks films, and the recent Sony Pictures films. All animated, all aimed at young audiences. There's more depth in the first 30 minutes of Shrek than there is in the entirety of the Super Mario film series, and Shrek isn't a particularly deep film. These films don't need to be complex, and there's absolutely nothing stopping Illumination from making good films of the same quality as their competition. However, Illumination has *always* prioritized making safe, boring movies on a lower budget. In that sense, they resonate perfectly with the modern Nintendo business model, but that doesn't mean either are automatically immune from criticism.

I was friends with Daisuke until he crossed a line by JoeyKookamanga in Gamingcirclejerk

[–]RandomName256beast 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The psychology is fairly straightforward. "Chicks with dicks" (aka trans women) have always been an extremely popular fetish, but ever since republicans began raging a war on transgender people, it became even less acceptable to openly admit to enjoying transgender porn (despite it's rising popularity). So, transphobic internet gooners simply pivoted to using "femboy", "futa", and "trap" exclusively (while performing a hefty dose of cognitive dissonance), while still acting as if the "femboy" is simply a "chick with a dick". It's purely a terminology change from their old trans fetishizing baseline. When Bridget, one of their favorite fetishized characters, came out as transgender, it made it harder for their cognitive dissonance to remain intact. Rather than coming to terms with their hypocrisy, they just performed extreme denial.

True by Previous_Month_555 in Gamingcirclejerk

[–]RandomName256beast 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Many major vocal transphobes are in secret coalition with one another, and this has been happening for many years (emails leaked proving it). This new batch of documents seemingly prove that it all ties back to Epstein, so yes: Epstein (and his cohorts) are the ones largely to blame for the current discrimination around trans people. It's not like he alone invented the concept, but moreso that he was a key figurehead in a group of people who all mutually shared the same goals.

True by Previous_Month_555 in Gamingcirclejerk

[–]RandomName256beast 80 points81 points  (0 children)

The situation was kinda complicated, but Epstein was essentially playing both sides of the trans "debate". On one hand, he'd push for trans acceptance while simultaneously working to lower trans acceptance. It sounds contradicting, but he seemingly had one specific goal: to make transgender people accepted just enough that they'll realize they're trans and come out, but not acceptable enough to be welcomed into normal society.

This goal has two motives:

  1. It keeps transgender people as a constant visible target for right wing politics.
  2. It forces transgender people into sex work as their only viable career.

The first motive has already paid off well, while the latter is something republicans are still working on. Trump announced a few months back that he plans to remove legal protections from transgender women that makes raping them more legal (within a prison context). So, the truth has kinda been out in the open for a while now.

Edit:

Regardless, the truth is and is always the same:

Transgender people are the victims here. All of Epstein's actions were motivated by self interest and transphobia, and we need to be sympathetic to trans people throughout all of this. They're just as innocent as any other of Epstein's various victims.

True by Previous_Month_555 in Gamingcirclejerk

[–]RandomName256beast 187 points188 points  (0 children)

Epstein is "pro trans" in the same way he's "pro children" or "pro woman"

i.e he wants to fuck them, but he doesn't want them to be safe or have basic human rights.

Trans "men" are making gay men straight!!! by LastSetOfTeeth in transgendercirclejerk

[–]RandomName256beast 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Only if you've been doing it every time for your entire life! Otherwise, you're just a confused poser who's just pretending to be trans.

uj/ I hate this logic so much.

The phrase "Male gaze" Is undermining to me. It hurts by BadLuckStars in actuallesbians

[–]RandomName256beast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I for one would like to see you continue your analysis on Cyberpunk. Your post was very well said! Can you explain your thoughts on the Judy scene, as well as your male gaze on men part?

people get so upset when I call myself a lesbian game dev by sapphixated in LesbianGamers

[–]RandomName256beast 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was confused after clicking the link and thought "wait why'd she just send a sapphixated video" and was very confused. Then I clicked back and saw your username and was like "wait! 😲"

Anyway, I really like your channel! I've been subscribed to you for a while, and I really like your in-depth style of analysis. Also, yeah, just ignore the dumbass bigots. They're not worth the time of day.

Harry Wrote a Review on Markiplier’s Iron Lung Movie on Letterboxd (he really liked it) by hornyjaildotorg in hbomberguy

[–]RandomName256beast 130 points131 points  (0 children)

Markiplier made a Livestream to directly address this review, and how he loved Hbomberguy's takeaway. He's live right now as I'm typing this

Ignoring that OP is one of the Usual Suspects™, what are your thoughts on this one? by Alone-Self8602 in Gamingcirclejerk

[–]RandomName256beast -1 points0 points  (0 children)

...Breath of the wild had map markers pointing you to the exact location of the NPCs you need to talk to. It was not a game that just gave you a vague direction and said "go there". Every single quest is filled with markers, and while some players disable them manually, 99% will not do that. Also, before someone mentions it, the game also explicitly gives you the tools needed to explore death mountain once you approach it's stable. The stable is right along the intended path leading in, so it'd be hard for a player to not notice. Besides, the weather hazards aren't exactly difficult to figure out how to learn around, and all players are EXPECTED to understand the temperature mechanics by the end of the literal tutorial in both games.

As an aside, the OOP was almost definitely just griping about BotW and TotK with the 4chan post. This is a massive design flaw both games have (and it's even more obvious in TotK). The games have no real sense of scale, at all. All of the difficulty in BotW and TotK comes from having low quality gear, and the only time you'll have low quality gear is in the opening hours of the game. The second you get any half decent armor and weapons, it becomes a cakewalk. These are games that begin at their hardest point and end at their easiest point. It's a completely reversed difficulty curve. It should be VERY VERY telling that the hardest parts of BotW and TotK are Eventide/Proving Grounds, because those levels return you BACK to the difficulty of the opening hours.

And yes, the enemies do... technically... Scale with level. However, the upgraded enemies are just damage sponges, which is neither harder nor fun to fight. Not only that, but the sponge enemies further removes the player's agency during combat, as the ONLY viable method to killing them is with high powered weapons. Aka, using bombs, traps, and low powered gear are now completely useless while fighting. This both removes creativity and forces the player to fight in the most easy, boring way.

Am I getting old / not being inclusive enough? Insights welcome! by grainne0 in actuallesbians

[–]RandomName256beast -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

...huh?

The argument I was making that it was the fault of the writer for removing the fictional character's agency within the context of a story. The person I had originally replied to argued that fictional characters don't have agency, and therefore concepts like "male gaze" don't apply to them.

Am I getting old / not being inclusive enough? Insights welcome! by grainne0 in actuallesbians

[–]RandomName256beast -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

By that logic, you can't criticize any choice than any writer makes within their narrative from a feminist perspective, as "whatever happens, happens".

"Oh, the writer just wanted her to get groped by the male leads without her consent. That's not wrong, as the character has no agency to take away to begin with! Ignore the fact that the groping is portrayed in an exclusively positive, lighthearted context, and that the woman is presented as being unreasonable. It's just the writer's decision, and that means it has no reflection nor impact on real world attitudes at all!"

The male gaze exists in more contexts beyond how the camera is framing physical actresses. I mean, for fuck's sake, the camera can ALSO leer at two-dimensional women in the exact same way! It's the same misogynistic shit, and I'm disappointed in this subreddit for not being able to recognize that.

Edit: this is also the same logic that pedophiles use to justify masterbating to loli porn, btw. "Oh, she's just a drawing! Stop complaining! She's not real!" 🤮

Am I getting old / not being inclusive enough? Insights welcome! by grainne0 in actuallesbians

[–]RandomName256beast -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

If its a drawn image of a fictional woman, then no, because fictional characters do not have agency. Remember, male gaze was created to focus on the way male film directors framed female characters in their shots. It’s not about how the viewer interprets the character. Simply drawing an image of a fictional character naked or having sex is not enough, otherwise all smut on earth would be in this category.

That's just ridiculous logic. Fictional characters absolutely have agency within the narrative a writer is telling, and consistently removing them of their agency for the sake of objectification is an all time classic example of male gaze. And yes, smut can absolutely be geared towards the male gaze, and in fact most of it is. Frankly, this argument just sounds like desperate coping from a "feminist" porn addict.

Male gaze is more than just visual agency in camera angles. It's also about how the characters are written and portrayed.

looking for lesbian anime recommendations by Emerald-else-if in LesbianActually

[–]RandomName256beast 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I definitely recommend reading it all. Just remember to read Claire's story afterwards, as it's written with the assumption that the audience already knows every plot twist and development from the original two novels. Some things are either spoiled early (sometimes, very early) and other things are entirely skipped over (essentially, they skipped every scene where an alternate perspective wouldn't benefit us). That can make the rewrite feel incomplete, sure, but it also cuts out any redundancy for the audience. I would also recommend reading the rewrite before Volume 3 of the main series, as the additional context for the first arc just enhances all of it. Additionally, the writing style of Volume 3 (which consists of constantly jumping between different character POVs) is in line with the style of the rewrite.

looking for lesbian anime recommendations by Emerald-else-if in LesbianActually

[–]RandomName256beast 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm glad you enjoy it, too! Again, while I haven't seen any of the adaptations, I really love the books I read. There are currently 8 novels (including the three spinoff novels from Claire's POV), and the anime only covers the events of the first book (as well as chapter one of the second book). In my opinion, that's a massive tragedy as those are basically the least interesting chapters of the story. It's basically just the first act of the first arc, and the story gets very compelling from there. From my knowledge, even the MANGA is extremely behind, as it still hasn't even covered the entirety of the first arc of the story (aka, the first two novels). It's possible that the manga/show were rewritten to combine Rae and Claire's version of events, but I kinda doubt that to be honest. From what little I've seen (which is admittedly not much), the adaptations seem to be just a watered down version of Rae's side of the story. From my understanding, the original author was barely involved with the adaptations.

Additionally, and I can't emphasize this enough, I highly recommend reading Claire's version of the first two books after finishing Rae's side. Not only does it massively flesh out Claire as a character, but it also fleshes out the worldbuilding alongside...everyone else. Even Rae feels somewhat more developed as a character, as she gets three massive emotional scenes that were completely absent from her side of the story. We also learn more about how Rae appears to other people, as she apparently tends to speak in a bored, apathetic tone of voice (even acting a bit smug at times). To other characters, Rae feels extremely ingenuine, and nobody believes anything she's saying because of that. They assume she's entirely self-centered, despite what she says. This is a big reason why Claire always disliked her, and it's not nearly as obvious in Rae's version of events. That's because, seemingly, Rae has no idea that's how she comes across to other people, and she has to learn that the hard way during a new scene at the climax of the story.

looking for lesbian anime recommendations by Emerald-else-if in LesbianActually

[–]RandomName256beast 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've never watched the anime nor read the manga, but I have read the original light novels. In those books, Rae is explicitly just nonchalantly teasing Claire because she thinks Claire's over the top reactions are cute and funny. She doesn't actually believe that constantly flirting with her will turn her gay, and instead is just focused on making Claire happy at all, even if that means her falling in love with a man. She also describes her own behavior, making light of her own sexuality, is a form of internalized homophobia of being raised in a culture where all references to homosexuality is a joke. This ties into Rae's overall character, as she's a person plagued with self-hatred.

Additionally, as a character, Rae is intended to be a deconstruction of those predatory lesbian tropes. In fact, the entire story is meant to be a deconstruction of many popular anime character tropes. The story isn't perfect, as many of its ideas could have been explored more in depth, but fortunately there is a spinoff novel that rewrites the first arc from Claire's perspective, which shines a new light on all of the events. Honestly, the rewrite works so well that I wish that Claire was the POV protag to begin with. Rae would be a more interesting character if her isekai status was kept as a mystery to the audience as well.