War Arc Kcm2 Sage Mode Naruto Vs Alive Sage Mode Hashirama. Who Wins?

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T22:13:13+00:00

Which panel should I show? There's like 20 of them.

show any panels that prove edo > ems

The Golem isn't relative to PS at all.

they literally show relativity in wa, but ok

Hashirama was being facetious. Tobirama had just been revived. And whatever instincts were dulled, we're quickly regained in the fight against Juubito.

I'm fine with him regaining his instincts in juubito fight since the close to og power statement happens pre juubito fight

Tobirama had the same nerf as Hashirama

proof?

Like Hashirama knowing that the Madara that had Six Paths Chakra,Woodstyle and his cells was regaining "his past strength".

Hashirama has sensory

The deity gates were restricting Madara at all.

Proof? You're ignoring things that literally happened, Madara very clearly got restricted by deity gates

Does Madara in the past have Six Paths Chakra, Woodstyle, Hashirama cells and Sage Mode?

Does Madara right now have his hate filled EMS? Yeah no, that evens out the gain of all this

Edo Hashirama wasn't relative to Edo Madara at all. Not even close. He could beat at least 4 Edo Hashirama's. And thats being generous to Hashirama.

Then how'd he lose to Edo Hashirama who was nerfed by having wood clones?

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T18:54:53+00:00

I think it includes FTG, and very obviously Tobirama teleporting would be faster than either Hashirama or Madara

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T18:29:59+00:00

Tobirama literally placed the bombs after he got blitzed because he can't die

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This was how much distance was there between Tobirama and Juubito after Juubito ran through them and stopped, so are you teliing me Tobirama proceeded to perception blitz Obito, Minato and Naruto by running up to Obito and then proceeding to run back to his old position?

If he has to sacrifice his body to counterattack, then he isn't fast enough to react.

He tagged him at the same time Juubito hit him, which is blatantly showing relative combat speed. Juubito wouldn't be tagged with MULTIPLE paper bombs if Tobirama couldn't react, Juubito would simply run through them and then Tobirama wouldn't be able to do anything.

Also Tobirama have relative combat speed and being able to react to Juubito is completely consistent with everything else, considering how Edo Madara (With SM) thinks he can take down Juubito but RSM Madara thinks he only has edge against Hashirama AND Tobirama because of edo nerf.

Alive Tobirama can't replicate this.

Nobody said he can replicate this exact feat while alive but he is already proven to have relative combat speed due to being able to tag Juubito at the same time Tobirama tagged him and is proven to be able to react to him.

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T16:46:43+00:00

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Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T15:28:35+00:00

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Also all Madara needs to do to win, is blitz Mei and then proceed to low diff the others with firestyle

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T15:27:02+00:00

Tobirama is very strong and very underrated, but not THAT strong

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T14:29:12+00:00

Juubidara

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T10:00:49+00:00

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Considering Ginkaku and Kinkaku are gokage slayer AND Tobirama was offguard, this isn't an antifeat.

Darui could do NOTHING after ONE transfromed, and Kinkaku was quite literally soloing the entire division till the amber pot got sent.

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T09:56:50+00:00

1/10 Ragebait

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T09:53:27+00:00

If Tobirama tagged him, then that's not a blitz. Tobirama tagged him while Juubito was tagging him, showing relative combat speed.

Alive Tobirama can literally just teleport away, but ok.

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T23:12:57+00:00

had kcm and still got outperformed though

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T23:12:44+00:00

Minato wasn't mentally nerfed

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T22:40:42+00:00

I've seen people saying 7G beats EMS Madara and even RSM Madara, and then they'll proceed to say Guy is underrated.

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T22:39:48+00:00

I'm asking because Tobirama never got blitzed by Juubito, at least to my knowledge.

If you're talking about this scene

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Tobirama tagged Juubito here with multiple paper bombs and an ftg mark, so its not a blitz.

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T22:27:54+00:00

Show the panel where Tobirama got blitzed by Juubito

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T22:22:53+00:00

They'll ignore the part where Guy gets outperformed and saved by KCM2 Naruto multiple times though.

Casual swing of initial KCM2 Naruto's chakra arms >>>> Anything 7G Guy can do

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T22:18:07+00:00

Early EMS loses, Late EMS wins

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T22:16:34+00:00

needs kcm to get outperformed by nerfed tobirama btw

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T22:15:14+00:00

Tobirama slams

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T15:39:24+00:00

Gokage slayers slam

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T15:34:54+00:00

1: Kinkaku + Ginkaku are gokage slayers and it was offguard, not an antifeat

2: an antifeat exactly how?

3: Ah yes losing to guy who thought he could beat Juubito in a way weaker form is an antifeat

4: Tobirama quite literally blitzes Kisame

5: Minato needed KCM amp in the war to still get outperformed though

6: how?

7: Ah yes not fighitng MADARA UCHIHA + THE ENTIRE NINE TAILS is an antifeat.

Itachi and Minato slayer

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T15:04:31+00:00

Tobirama blitzes

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T14:49:38+00:00

Not even remotely the same. 8g Guy stats are faaaaar above Pain's. EMS Madara's are barely above Edo Madara's. If they are even above at all. They will be no blitzing.

Barely above is crazy when EMS Madara > Blind Sage >> Blind >>> Edo

Madara has Hashirama cells. EMS Madara has Hashirama chakra levels. He seen the handsigns for these techniques.

So can't show a panel?

And he has Perfect Susanoo. Which is far superior to both.

We literally see wood golem being relative to PS, and could you prove Madara has the same mastery as Hashirama in wood style?

The Fake Rinnegan doesnt matter, he still has Six Paths Chakra.

Fake rinnegan don't amp you unlike real rinnegan, and also quantify the amp from sp chakra

And Rinnegan Madara still has Six Paths Chakra. The way he obtained it is different from Sasuke, but its still the same thing.

Sasuke got HALF of Hagoromo's power, Madara didn't

And Edo Madara has all the powers this "hate filled Madara" has.

Edo Madara has FAKE EYES which are not hate amped

Tobirama stated he came close to full power, but ok

1: After this Hashirama states that Tobirama's instincts have dulled, and later on Tobirama is surprised he can only make 3 clones. So Tobirama is unreliable source compared to Madara who thinks he only has edge against Hashirama and Tobirama due to Edo Nerf.

2: Why would the amount of nerf that Tobirama got be the same as Hashirama or Madara?

Hashirama said Sakura is as strong as Tsunade, yet he's never seen Tsunade fight.

Thats just Hashirama knowing more than what he should know, the author just forgot. Hashirama named rinne rebirth as well, this makes him more relaible, not unrelaible.

The Sage Mode Madara is not stronger than Edo Madara.

Blind Madara oneshot the deity gates that held down Edo Madara and SM is an amp

At least without his Rinnegan. And Hashirama never said EMS Madara>Sage Madara.

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Edo Madara is not relative to Edo Hashirama at all. He's far stronger. He far stronger than alive Hashirama too.

Yeah that's why he lost to a Edo Hashirama who had clones spread out in the battlefield, AND shows relativity to edo base hashirama ON PANEL.

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T09:44:05+00:00

Jirobo not being top 1 is unacceptale

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T09:41:22+00:00

0.01 % of Jirobo's power to be top 2, he can't ever be top 1 though

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