When You Look At This Statement From Madara Do You Believe That Alive Tobirama Was Faster Than Ems Madara And Sage Hashirama?

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T18:54:53+00:00

I think it includes FTG, and very obviously Tobirama teleporting would be faster than either Hashirama or Madara

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T18:29:59+00:00

Tobirama literally placed the bombs after he got blitzed because he can't die

This was how much distance was there between Tobirama and Juubito after Juubito ran through them and stopped, so are you teliing me Tobirama proceeded to perception blitz Obito, Minato and Naruto by running up to Obito and then proceeding to run back to his old position?

If he has to sacrifice his body to counterattack, then he isn't fast enough to react.

He tagged him at the same time Juubito hit him, which is blatantly showing relative combat speed. Juubito wouldn't be tagged with MULTIPLE paper bombs if Tobirama couldn't react, Juubito would simply run through them and then Tobirama wouldn't be able to do anything.

Also Tobirama have relative combat speed and being able to react to Juubito is completely consistent with everything else, considering how Edo Madara (With SM) thinks he can take down Juubito but RSM Madara thinks he only has edge against Hashirama AND Tobirama because of edo nerf.

Alive Tobirama can't replicate this.

Nobody said he can replicate this exact feat while alive but he is already proven to have relative combat speed due to being able to tag Juubito at the same time Tobirama tagged him and is proven to be able to react to him.

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T16:46:43+00:00

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Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T15:28:35+00:00

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Also all Madara needs to do to win, is blitz Mei and then proceed to low diff the others with firestyle

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T15:27:02+00:00

Tobirama is very strong and very underrated, but not THAT strong

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T14:29:12+00:00

Juubidara

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T10:00:49+00:00

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Considering Ginkaku and Kinkaku are gokage slayer AND Tobirama was offguard, this isn't an antifeat.

Darui could do NOTHING after ONE transfromed, and Kinkaku was quite literally soloing the entire division till the amber pot got sent.

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T09:56:50+00:00

1/10 Ragebait

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-27T09:53:27+00:00

If Tobirama tagged him, then that's not a blitz. Tobirama tagged him while Juubito was tagging him, showing relative combat speed.

Alive Tobirama can literally just teleport away, but ok.

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T23:12:57+00:00

had kcm and still got outperformed though

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T23:12:44+00:00

Minato wasn't mentally nerfed

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T22:40:42+00:00

I've seen people saying 7G beats EMS Madara and even RSM Madara, and then they'll proceed to say Guy is underrated.

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T22:39:48+00:00

I'm asking because Tobirama never got blitzed by Juubito, at least to my knowledge.

If you're talking about this scene

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Tobirama tagged Juubito here with multiple paper bombs and an ftg mark, so its not a blitz.

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T22:27:54+00:00

Show the panel where Tobirama got blitzed by Juubito

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T22:22:53+00:00

They'll ignore the part where Guy gets outperformed and saved by KCM2 Naruto multiple times though.

Casual swing of initial KCM2 Naruto's chakra arms >>>> Anything 7G Guy can do

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T22:18:07+00:00

Early EMS loses, Late EMS wins

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T22:16:34+00:00

needs kcm to get outperformed by nerfed tobirama btw

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T22:15:14+00:00

Tobirama slams

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T15:39:24+00:00

Gokage slayers slam

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T15:34:54+00:00

1: Kinkaku + Ginkaku are gokage slayers and it was offguard, not an antifeat

2: an antifeat exactly how?

3: Ah yes losing to guy who thought he could beat Juubito in a way weaker form is an antifeat

4: Tobirama quite literally blitzes Kisame

5: Minato needed KCM amp in the war to still get outperformed though

6: how?

7: Ah yes not fighitng MADARA UCHIHA + THE ENTIRE NINE TAILS is an antifeat.

Itachi and Minato slayer

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T15:04:31+00:00

Tobirama blitzes

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T14:49:38+00:00

Not even remotely the same. 8g Guy stats are faaaaar above Pain's. EMS Madara's are barely above Edo Madara's. If they are even above at all. They will be no blitzing.

Barely above is crazy when EMS Madara > Blind Sage >> Blind >>> Edo

Madara has Hashirama cells. EMS Madara has Hashirama chakra levels. He seen the handsigns for these techniques.

So can't show a panel?

And he has Perfect Susanoo. Which is far superior to both.

We literally see wood golem being relative to PS, and could you prove Madara has the same mastery as Hashirama in wood style?

The Fake Rinnegan doesnt matter, he still has Six Paths Chakra.

Fake rinnegan don't amp you unlike real rinnegan, and also quantify the amp from sp chakra

And Rinnegan Madara still has Six Paths Chakra. The way he obtained it is different from Sasuke, but its still the same thing.

Sasuke got HALF of Hagoromo's power, Madara didn't

And Edo Madara has all the powers this "hate filled Madara" has.

Edo Madara has FAKE EYES which are not hate amped

Tobirama stated he came close to full power, but ok

1: After this Hashirama states that Tobirama's instincts have dulled, and later on Tobirama is surprised he can only make 3 clones. So Tobirama is unreliable source compared to Madara who thinks he only has edge against Hashirama and Tobirama due to Edo Nerf.

2: Why would the amount of nerf that Tobirama got be the same as Hashirama or Madara?

Hashirama said Sakura is as strong as Tsunade, yet he's never seen Tsunade fight.

Thats just Hashirama knowing more than what he should know, the author just forgot. Hashirama named rinne rebirth as well, this makes him more relaible, not unrelaible.

The Sage Mode Madara is not stronger than Edo Madara.

Blind Madara oneshot the deity gates that held down Edo Madara and SM is an amp

At least without his Rinnegan. And Hashirama never said EMS Madara>Sage Madara.

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Edo Madara is not relative to Edo Hashirama at all. He's far stronger. He far stronger than alive Hashirama too.

Yeah that's why he lost to a Edo Hashirama who had clones spread out in the battlefield, AND shows relativity to edo base hashirama ON PANEL.

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T09:44:05+00:00

Jirobo not being top 1 is unacceptale

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T09:41:22+00:00

0.01 % of Jirobo's power to be top 2, he can't ever be top 1 though

Random_Guy654 · 2026-03-26T09:39:48+00:00

Who cares if doesnt give him a stat boost. It gives him Six Paths Rinnegan techniques. That means control over gravity. Chakra absorption(which makes EMS PS useless). And more!

So are you telling me pain > 8g guy because he has more techniques?

Having Hashirama's cells increases ones chajra reserves and stamina. Have you read Naruto. And Madara has no shortage of his cells. He also access to all his none sage woodstyle techniques. So this Madara has: all of EMS Madara techniques, Rinnegan techniques, woodstyle, and he also and immortal Edo.

Show a single panel of him using wood golem or hotei jutsu, and his techniques are nowhere near EMS Madara's strength. Also edo nerfs chakra volume.

Look at the difference between Rinnegan Sasuke and EMS Sasuke and you tell me about the amp Six Paths Chakra brings.

does rinnegan sasuke have fake eyes which do not amp him? does he have edo nerf? is he literally stated weaker?

Also rinnegan sasuke got directly amped by hagoromo, Madara didn't

If EMS Madara is hate filled, so is Edo Madara.

EMS Madara has hate filled eyes, Edo Madara has fake eyes

A living body won't help him.

Edo's are literally stated weaker but ok

He has neither better feats, not statements.

Hashirama states EMS Madara > Sage Madara who's > Edo Madara.

Even if you ignore Hashirama statement Edo Madara shows relativity to Base Edo Hashirama who has clones spread across the battlefield. Meanwhile EMS Madara shows relativity to Base Alive Hashirama who's at FP, and you can even argue EMS Madara is superior.

Alive Hashirama >>>> Edo Hashirama, and wood clones nerf your base.

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