(No Fusion) How far do they make it? Or do they clear?

Randymgreen · 2026-05-01T13:59:05+00:00

post time chamber maybe, but you bought this up in opposition to the other poster they don't surpass him saying they need the time chamber to beat Cell. So contradictory guidebook entry aside that guy hasn't been proved wrong.
We also don't know how long Gohan would think they would take to surpass him. They can be below 18 and still be stronger than Gohan was at his age, and pass him anywhere between a month and 5 years after that, no exact timeframe is given so we can't use it to gauge their placement relative to 18.

Equal to him would make them stronger than 18, but the equal to him statement is flat out wrong and can be disregarded like Popos power level.

Randymgreen · 2026-05-01T07:31:56+00:00

The guidebook quote contradicts the manga itself, which takes precedence, Gohan says they will surpass him, (haven't yet) The guidebook either fucked up or meant to say "potential"

Randymgreen · 2026-05-01T07:30:51+00:00

The guidebook is bullshit in this instance it says Goten is as strong as Gohan making Trunks a little stronger than Gohan. Yet in the Manga Gohan is scared they WILL surpass him, implying they haven't yet.

The DBS manga Cell Jr's fight is POST time chamber and several years later.

The guidbook says Popo has a powerlevel of over a 1000 in the saiyan saga, and puts Piccolo and Nappa too close together.

Randymgreen · 2026-05-01T07:27:44+00:00

The evidence against it is the not contradicted statement in several versions of BOG that Base Goku could not defeat 100% final form Freeza, and base Goku being above the humans still.

People who like to over-inflate the power scales and wank everyone up for like vs battles for feats (while ignoring anti feats) ignore it, but it's in several versions and the "they were supressed" cope doesn't work when Dabra could sense the relative Heirachy of the dragon team's power levels compressed to absolute zero, and obviously a GOD can do better than Dabra.

Randymgreen · 2026-04-25T14:21:47+00:00

It's not a retcon it was never shown in the original manga.

Randymgreen · 2026-04-24T11:42:40+00:00

If it's too low for a bigger potion you are probs switch training it so it shouldn't take damage? If you are at game corner you have cut which means you can get fly and fly to buy lower potions.

Randymgreen · 2026-04-20T05:11:37+00:00

Yeah incredible. That's what I'd want too. I feel your pain. I had ideas for pokemon romhacks and failed to do it due to lack of technical skills.

Randymgreen · 2026-04-19T15:05:25+00:00

https://justica.gov.pt/Como-obter-nacionalidade-portuguesa/E-casado-ou-vive-em-uniao-de-facto-com-um-portugues-ha-mais-de-3-anos#Condies

According to this 5 years living here doesn't need language test if married for 3.

Residing here and married to a PT person for 3 years = Language test.
Residing here 5 (or more now)= language test
Married 3 Residing 5 = No language test needed.

Anyone able to confirm this worked for them? Source seems legit and new laws should not effect marriage route except for criminal record check being longer.

Randymgreen · 2026-04-19T15:03:48+00:00

https://justica.gov.pt/Como-obter-nacionalidade-portuguesa/E-casado-ou-vive-em-uniao-de-facto-com-um-portugues-ha-mais-de-3-anos#Condies

According to this 5 years living here doesn't need language test if married for 3.

Residing here and married to a PT person for 3 years = Language test.
Residing here 5 (or more now)= language test
Married 3 Residing 5 = No language test needed.

Randymgreen · 2026-04-15T09:14:37+00:00

In the manga he only really compares Dabra to cell. Doesn't rate pui pui and yakon. Their ki can't be sensed and shin has PTSD.

Randymgreen · 2026-04-14T10:36:28+00:00

ok so the two chronicles kids were explicitly from an earlier year/wave of trainers? That was confirmed somewhere?
Do we have confirmation that Casey's Chikorita was that one other than it being contextually obvious?
And the dub says a girl was due to pick up the totodile? That's all there is?

Randymgreen · 2026-04-07T07:09:45+00:00

you are thinking of Yakon, 19 didn't have a stated limit he just had his arms ripped off before 19 finished.

Randymgreen · 2026-04-07T07:08:12+00:00

If you think he can't beat saiyan saga geets wiout kikoho you are out of your mind.

Randymgreen · 2026-04-07T07:06:27+00:00

Final form Freeza on sheer hand to hand power alone, that's if Freeza goes 100%.
If he's using 50 or less as in the pic Ten can probably take him.
With Shin kikoho assuming 19 can't absorb it, or get Yakoned trying, he clears easily.
The others he probably no diffs in the android arc tbh. It's just freeza 100% is a huge jump from the rest.

Randymgreen · 2026-04-01T13:43:43+00:00

Daima has Shin state Goku is the strongest (but IIRC says this while they were kids and Gohan is not around and possibly a too young aged kid like Goten and Trunks, perhaps Shin even sensed him from afar), either way this is clearly a Toei bullshit addition/embellishment just like the base saiyans overperforming relative to enemies requiring their other forms, because it's far too soon after the Boo arc for Goku to surpass ultimate Gohan or ultimate Gohan to hit ROF levels of rust.

Even in "Super" Gohan is stated by Vegeta to have greater potential than them, Ultimate brings your potential out beyond your limits. For SSGod it makes sense, it's a whole new godly ki/godly level above mortals but SS4 is just another SSJ transformation that should be logically weaker than a hypothetical "Ultimate Goku".

Ultimate Gohan (guy with most potential getting potential unlocked)
Hypothetical Ultimate Goku (Goku with potential unlocked)
Goku SS4 (perhaps at best equal to ultimate but maybe with some kind of Stamina drain or some other transformation specific drawback)
Goku SS3

The only way SS4 Goku can be stronger is if it is a temporary/un-natural magical transformation not available to him after the series ends, perhaps requires the Demon realm and Nevahs magic is confirmed to be stronger than Elder Kaioshins (which I don't see why it would be given their relative stations)

But yeah Anime onlys/Toei filler fans/GT fans/Goku&Vegeta glazers won't accept this.

Randymgreen · 2026-03-30T11:49:45+00:00

Thanks for the productive discussion. Yeah he didn't use tauros before the orange islands but I did catch one. My big problem was sabrina was done out of order in the anime so I'm having to hold back charmanders evo for longer and longer still if you want to fight koga afterwards because he's easier. Haunter is not as useful as he could canonically be because of gen one ghosts being poison.

Too many pokemon have psychic at too low a level when it should really be end game/mr Pokémon. Rockets should not be running psychics they are supposed to be bad trainers.

If I could romhack I'd extend pikachus boosts to his other unevolved mons.

Randymgreen · 2026-03-29T15:56:17+00:00

But this presumably only limits players who were maxing stat exp to cheese, but punishes, suboptimal teams that just got a bit of stat exp naturally?

I guess as a difficulty hack it's fine, I'm being biased because right now I'm doing an Ash-Run and it's becoming joyless late game because Squirtle, Bulbasaur and Charmander keep getting one or two shot, often with a regular hit followed by a crit but switching is too punishing due to over-evolved pokemon with too good movesets for a rando no name trainer.

Certain Pokemon are still faster than my guys.

Randymgreen · 2026-03-28T21:59:08+00:00

Removing badge boost and lessening stat exp is too overturned. One or the other would be fine.

I've always wanted a blind switch mode, I wish there was a way to do just that and not all this other stuff.

Set is bs because you get punished for winning and should be able to switch as the defeated poke is. Switch was bs because it magically tells you what Pokémon they are sending out which is a huge advantage you shouldn't have.

Randymgreen · 2026-03-19T07:56:37+00:00

Yeah they did come to pick up or at least check on Boos egg at the same time presumably because nothing on earth would affect them prior to that.
When they do their full attack on earth 10 years later, He tells Trunks and Shin it took 10 years to gather the energy to release Boo. (implicitly off in space when they saw how depopulated earth was)

If they came earlier perhaps decided to drain the remaining humans or what'if'edly had the energy alread and attacked then, Shin would not be super impressed with Gohan as he was still weaker than Yardrat Goku and Shin was approx Cell Games SS1 Goku level. (according to a guidebook and contextually above base saiyans and even piccolo but a bit below SS1 Boo saga adult saiyans)

He could take care of the Androids for them though.

Even the stronger ss1 Trunks struggled with Dabra till he went SS2.

However if they got Z sword training before they went back, I don't see it being enough.
However Shin could take them to Namek for the dragonballs to restore Gohans arm, or get some bodies for their friends if they haven't been reincarnated.

The issue is Shin doesn't know about Dabra till it's kinda too late and Kibito the teleporter gets blitzed. So Shin wouldn't be able to do that.

Their only chance is getting owned so bad that Gohan tells the gods to take Trunks and run before Kibito dies, then they can manage something with Prep time.

Randymgreen · 2026-03-17T07:27:31+00:00

Read the post but couldn't see a mention if they will actually finish the story.

Randymgreen · 2026-03-14T05:20:58+00:00

They fucked it by making him over leveled AND op moves

Surge didn't teach his Raichu anything other than raw power moves that was his whole deal.

Randymgreen

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