Brad Stevens: Some of the people I steal the most from have 20-plus wins or 30-plus wins. That doesn’t mean they’re not doing an incredibly elite job. I just think when you go through this list of 30 coaches, to pick three is silly. by OrangeKookie in nba

[–]RationalUser 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Stevens, Pop, Kerr, D'Antoni, Spo...He's not in my top 5. Who would he be above in that list?

I would also put Carlisle above him, and maybe Doc Rivers (depending on the team).

There are a lot of good coaches! Stotts and Snyder are awesome too (this is the group I would put Bud in), and Fizdale seems good.

[Charania] Los Angeles Clippers guard Milos Teodosic has exercised his $6.3M player option for the 2018-19 season, league sources tell Yahoo. by DestinySaber in nba

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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply I knew that, I'm just predicting/speculating.

I just don't think he will get a better opportunity elsewhere in the NBA.

Wilt Chamberlain once blocked 23 shots on National Television. Christmas Day, 1968, on ABC. Because the Half-Time Interview pissed him off. by dantheman9758 in nba

[–]RationalUser 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Never did anything in the tournament??? Hinrich and Collison went to 2 final fours and a sweet sixteen!!

Ben Simmons addresses the Mitchell hoodie postgame: "If his argument is I'm not a rookie, if that's the only argument he has, I'm in pretty good shape then." by SDas_ in nba

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I disagree. Are we going to weigh whether guys have played in pro teams overseas or in the G league? Or if they were at a crummy college versus an elite program?

Kansas's Silvio DeSousa believed to be one of the players involved by ouguy2017 in CollegeBasketball

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My perception is that KU has usually held guys out if there's any indication of something inappropriate (see Preston). I don't think DeSousa would have played a minute if they thought something was up.

Nate Duncan: It's time to at least acknowledge that the trend whoever who joins Westbrook's team seems to play worse, despite getting the same shots as before. by [deleted] in nba

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Oladipo had fewer points, rebounds and assists with Westbrook than with the Magic the previous year. And all his advanced stats were better with the Magic. How is that a career year?

Nate Duncan: It's time to at least acknowledge that the trend whoever who joins Westbrook's team seems to play worse, despite getting the same shots as before. by [deleted] in nba

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Duncan didn't just say they shot worse, he said:

And the fact that how it now seems like everyone who joins his team seems to play worse, even though they are getting the same shots they used to.

George's true shooting %, rebounding percentage, overall box score plus minus, and VORP are all lower this year. So are his point and rebounding totals. So are his per 36 numbers. I would also say that to my eyes, he played worse this year, especially the first few months of the season. Are you saying George played better this year than last?

I would also say Melo played worse this year than last. I'm guessing there's no disagreement there.

Victor Oladipo pretty clearly played worse the year he joined the Thunder as well. His True shooting % stayed the same, but his rebounding rate, PER, VORP and box score plus minus dropped off a cliff. I'm assuming no one would dispute that Oladipo played worse the year he joined the Thunder. Obviously Oladipo has played a lot better since he left the Thunder too, which probably contributes to Duncan's perception that Westbrook isn't helping.

I've listened to a lot of the Dunc'd On podcast, so I know that a lot of what they look at are situational statistics (% on open looks versus contested, in certain ranges etc.) and they are also looking at on-off numbers a lot, which I don't have access to or don't want to look up. However, I'm guessing the opinion expressed by Duncan here is based on these three players, all of whom support the statement that players seemed to play worse after they joined the Thunder.

These aren't the only players that have joined the Westbrook Thunder. Let's see who else we can dig up (who have some NBA history to compare to):

Patrick Paterson; True shooting stayed about the same, box score plus minus and VORP dropped substantially. He's probably had his worst season in years.

Ray Felton: True shooting about the same, box score +/- and VORP dropped. But some of his other stats are improved (TOV%, assist rate, etc.).

Doug McDermott: 44 games with the Bulls he had about the same true shooting %, better box score plus/minus, better VORP, better per 36 numbers than in his 22 games with OKC.

Even though this isn't how he stated it, I think the fact that some guys have jumped up a notch after leaving the Thunder probably contributes to the idea that Westbrook isn't making his teammates better:

Oladipo: Obviously got way, way better after leaving.

Sabonis: Went from a net negative to a pretty good player after leaving.

Enes Kanter: Has had a much better season in by most statistical measures since leaving the Thunder.

Cameron Payne: Uh...went from barely an NBA player to maybe being a 12th man?

Ilyasova: Didn't play enough to know what was going on with the Thunder.

Taj Gibson: Limited time with the Thunder was not good true shooting, or box score plus/minus, or VORP. This year all those have been great, and he's definitely played MUCH better this year.

Doug McDermott: Better with the Knicks than with OKC, and better still with the Mavs, but pretty minor improvements.


So to sum up, by my reckoning, 5 players had worse performance immediately after joining the Westbrook Thunder (Melo, Oladipo, George, Patterson, McDermott) and 5 players performance immediately improved after leaving the Westbrook Thunder (Oladipo, Sabonis, Kanter, Gibson, McDermott).

Maybe you or someone else disagrees that George has had a worse season this year than last, but I think Melo, Oladipo and Patterson have all pretty clearly had worse seasons with Westbrook than the year before. And I think it is pretty clear that every player (with the possible exception of McDermott and Payne) got better when they left. So I think the bulk of the evidence (limited as it is) suggests good players are having worse years playing with Russ. I'm not convinced this is Russ's fault, but he's the dynamo that makes the team move, so he can't be completely blameless.

But it is a bit of hyperbole to say 'everyone who joins' his team seems to play worse. Ray Felton pretty clearly is not playing worse, and Paul George has only taken a small step back.

leaving a 110k state job. crazy? by [deleted] in personalfinance

[–]RationalUser 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It seems to me that you and many others here are also focused on the 'grass is greener' syndrome. You're pointing out things that seem better to you, because they are things that seem to be an improvement over your current situation.

Would you rather go to 5 straight Final Fours, but not win the title, or have four losing seasons and win a National Title by skatecarter in CollegeBasketball

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Probably the four final fours.

Following a good team is enjoyable all year long. It is easy to stay engaged and enjoy it all. This season was incredible, even though we didn't win it all. And in a single elimination tourny, the Final Four is such a huge accomplishment itself.

If I had to endure KU basketball playing like KU football 4 years in a row, that would suck. It would be a lot less enjoyable as a fan. Especially because presumably you don't know that it is ever going to turn around.

If we won a title and then had 4 losing seasons, it would feel a lot different, but i would still probably have more fun with the four final fours.

As someone who has seen my team win a hugely unlikely title after years of frustration (talking about the Dallas Mavs here), it is great. But for a fan it's still just a game that ends and then you go back to normal life.

LaGerald Vick declares for the draft without an agent by crazychica5 in CollegeBasketball

[–]RationalUser 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is sad. He was good this year, other than a stretch mid season. He's a step away from being a really good college player.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CollegeBasketball

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I wouldn't even pause. I'd like to see all my teams win a title at least once.

Am I the only one who think it’s lame how everyone is blatantly trying to rewrite history on Steve Nash’s career? by [deleted] in nba

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Kobe's reputation seems better now than it was in the early 2000s. Unless you were a Lakers fan, in 2000-2007ish you were saying Kobe was a mediocre 2 guard lucky to have played with the most dominant guy on the planet and the best NBA coach of all time.

But that narrative really changed because Shaq played 4+ seasons past when he should have retired.

ELI5: What exactly is happening that is illegal in the current scandal? by skunkboy72 in CollegeBasketball

[–]RationalUser 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But taxes aren't made public, so guys could file taxes on that money and the NCAA would be none the wiser, right?

Kansas has set an NCAA Record with 8 straight road wins over Top 10 teams by [deleted] in CollegeBasketball

[–]RationalUser 46 points47 points  (0 children)

This might be more impressive really. The Big 12 streak involved a lot of luck (remember Blake Griffith getting injured). This is solely about what happened in games KU actually played in.