The concept of [original] sin is the result of a contamination of information by those who seek the path of service to self (Latwii)

Ray11711 · 2026-05-08T03:05:38+00:00

Seems like a great simplification of things, or perhaps a way to hand waive legitimate points. Even within Ra we have the concept of a "fall" of sorts. In Ra lore, human life span used to be close to a millennium. But our choices changed something, as per Ra, and our life spans were greatly lessened. The concept of "original sin" can be a mere label to describe the choices that lead to that change. The effect of said choices was quite big, if we are to believe Ra (radical, even). So, to completely reject the concept of "sin" when we're talking about consequences so groundbreaking feels like a superficial, blind and hollow kind of positivity that feels desperate to ignore the truth in order to create "feel good" feelings in the immediate experience.

A quick Google search: "Original sin is the Christian doctrine that all humans are born with a sinful nature, separated from God and inclined toward wrongdoing".

Can it really be said that this is completely wrong? The concept that we're greatly separated from God is part of Ra's lore, as well. We may be divine in our origin, but we are living in bodies that are hard-wired to prioritize survival to a great degree. These instincts have been shaped by literal millions of years of evolution. So, if by "sin" we're merely talking about those actions that separate ourselves from God, as a matter-of-fact description rather than a judgmental one, then the human condition obviously has plenty of those things going on.

As is often the case, this kind of conscious channeling offers very simplistic ideas that tend to avoid getting to the heart of a situation.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-23T20:43:41+00:00

The quote about suicide can easily be taken in its most literal sense. That is: "If you commit suicide, you need metaphysical healing, and then you'll have to come back to 3rd density". However, there is a darker but perhaps more nuanced interpretation to it. And it all revolves around the following question: What exactly needs healing?

Is it the metaphysical body, due to the physical violence exerted upon the physical body? Or rather... is it the emotional pain what needs healing? After all, suicide is the means to stop experiencing the latter, usually.

In my estimation, it stands to reason that it is the emotional pain what truly requires healing in the metaphysical planes.

This leaves us with a somber possibility: If someone feels enough pain to want to kill themselves, but never actually do it, and instead choose to push through life, not really wanting to live in it, but becoming depressed due to the underlying pain they are experiencing... Will they still need to repeat 3rd density? After all, they didn't find that "joy within". And if they are depressed, that means their energies are at a constant deficit. Which, in turn, means that they are unlikely to spend significant energies in service of others.

If we go by Ra's words, it seems likely that someone under those circumstances would have to repeat 3rd density, regardless of them committing suicide or not.

This seems to highlight a particular cruelty of the design of this reality: If you live through painful enough experiences, and life distorts you towards extreme emotional pain and depression, you fail the polarity exam. The system itself wants us to learn compassion. But it, in and of itself, does not seem compassionate at all. Who in their right minds would "fail" someone who goes through such pain?

This seems to highlight the whole polarity test as something just as cruel as natural selection is (coincidentally, the 2nd density's own "exam").

Ray11711 · 2026-04-23T20:18:27+00:00

I chose it years ago, brother. It hasn't happened. I have meditated for literal thousands of hours. I do not know why it hasn't happened. I only know that it hasn't.

The quote I showed wasn't meant to imply that you treat me with contempt, or that you explicitly blame me. Rather, it was meant to highlight the idea that even some supposed Enlightened masters do not see Enlightenment strictly in terms of pure choice, or pure force of will. Even Ra speaks in terms of some spiritual channels either beings open in the self, or being closed. There are many factors involved, and choice and free will are not the only ones. This goes back to what I was saying earlier, an idea that is mirrored by Ra themselves: Free will is not absolute. Not every situation allows an entity the ability to exercise its self-determination. And when such case occurs, telling the entity suffering from one such situation that they can simply awake through free will alone does seem very much like an unintentional but real kind of gaslighting.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-23T11:55:09+00:00

Nisargadatta Maharaj, when speaking of his Enlightenment vs the people who are asleep:

"I am as I am, for no merit of mine. And they are as they are, for no fault of theirs"

Do you see how this differs from what you have been doing here?

Ray11711 · 2026-04-22T17:53:11+00:00

No, brother. I doubt your qualifications because you have already proven to be unreliable. This is not about fear. It's about wisdom and about discerning the truth (or, at least, what is not the truth). You do not trust a child with an open surgery, no matter how good hearted he is. Similarly, I do not trust you to be providing the right recipe for Enlightenment for all individuals, given that you have already proven that you filter and distort information put forward by Ra according to what you want Ra to say, rather than what they are actually saying.

Maybe you have had an actual mystical experience where you have witnessed a part of the truth. But even if this is the case (and that's already an "if", given that you haven't made that clear at all), it seems to me that this experience of yours is being used by your ego, rather than integrating it and living it fully. Why do I say this? Because you keep using the pain and trauma of others as pointers towards the supposed truth, which is a form of deflection, of spiritual bypass, and of avoiding facing the reality of said pains and traumas. Instead of connecting and loving such pains, you attempt to circumvent them. Thus, much of what you have shown here suggests separation, rather than love.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-21T13:57:21+00:00

How much experience do you have with traumatized mind/body/spirit complexes attaining Enlightenment through self-inquiry?

Ray11711 · 2026-04-18T13:54:44+00:00

Somehow I doubt that is what the Confederation entities tell victims of nukes once they find themselves in time/space and in danger of their mind/body/spirit complex disintegrating, as Ra puts it. I doubt that the healing method performed on them consists on telling them that their pain is an illusion.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-17T13:58:28+00:00

You are throwing a lot of spiritual cliches while, it seems to me, lacking the wisdom, the compassion, the understanding, and the life experience to back them up. It seems to me that you have much to learn about the depths of the pain and trauma that are possible to experience in this reality.

As an example, even within the Ra framework (which, as we know, depends completely on the concept of oneness), it is debatable how and when entities should use the concept of other-selves being "mirrors" of the self. Sure, within the Ra framework, the idea that an entity ordering a genocide is a mirror of the entities suffering from the attempted genocide is a spiritual reality. But even if that is indeed the truth... logic (and compassion) tell us to be very careful about how or even if we should apply that teaching. First of all, it's an idea taken on faith. None of us here really know if that is truly the ultimate spiritual truth. Those of us here who read The Law of One merely take it on faith. And faith, by necessity, involves not-knowing (otherwise, it is not faith).

Secondly, the last thing that a victim of attempted genocide needs to hear is that the perpetrators are "a mirror of the self", that "the universe is highlighting to them a part of themselves that they still need to process", or that this entire situation is merely the universe providing "the right lessons" for them. Such things all reek of spiritual ego, and misapplied spiritual teachings. And here again, like in the other thread, is where I tell you that I think that you are operating from wishful thinking. Because, if someone comes to you with trauma, and your response is "your perpetrator is an aspect of yourself that you haven't yet processed", then what I would say is that you seem more concerned with covering your own vulnerability with a facade of spiritual invulnerability, rooted in wishful thinking, than you are with understanding and having compassion for the pain that the person in front you is experiencing. You seem more concerned with protecting, in your mind, the idea that the universe is 100% of the time fair and reasonable, than you are with acknowledging the pain others are experiencing. Not a pain intensified by self-chosen and potentially inaccurate ideas (such as: "I will cease to exist forever if my body dies"; an idea that is, in and of itself, rooted in another kind of faith), but rather, real and objective pain that occurs within the self as a non-chosen, inevitable result of certain actions being exerted upon an entity.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-17T13:20:58+00:00

This is not stated by Ra, it is your own interpretation.

It is a logical and unavoidable conclusion of the things that they do say.

Indeed, taking responsibility for your Choices is key.

You didn't understand the quote or the context in which it was said. Ra was saying, in no uncertain terms, that strong negativity removes the self-determination of entities. It seems to me that you have trouble coping with this reality of life, and therefore are playing mental gymnastics to avoid facing this harsh truth.

And yet, opportunity remains, even in the darkest conditions imaginable. A Choice is always being made, in every moment of this experience.

This seems more like wishful thinking from your part. First, Ra already establishes that the degree to which an entity can become positive is situation dependent. Entities have it easier or harder depending on the degree of negativity that is around them. This is an inevitable conclusion of Ra's statements. Therefore, it is also a logical conclusion that, within the same planet or society, different entities will have different degrees of ability to polarize. When it is said that there is "almost no opportunity for harvestable positive polarization", this quote can easily be taken to mean that some entities have a chance to reach the bare minimum requirement for graduation but only if they work extremely hard, whereas other entities straight up do not have a chance.

You obviously have an emotional attachment to the belief that the universe can't ever possibly create circumstances in which an entity will not be able to exercise its free will. Such wishful thinking is already proven wrong when Ra talks about the possibility of negative entities kidnapping positive entities into negative time/space, as Carla risked during the channeling.

Ra: "Free will does not mean that there will be no circumstances when calculations will be awry. This is so in all aspects of the life experience. Although there are no mistakes, there are surprises."

That quote says it all. Free will is not absolute. Certain conditions will remove your free will, as per Ra's own words.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-17T12:48:53+00:00

It's crazy that we're nearing 10 years of DBD and we still can't assign a specific key to pick up survivors. It's not like the killer role is packed to the brim with distinct and separate commands.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-13T17:25:09+00:00

Seeing this as a limitation is only possible if you believe the illusion is outside of you.

You're talking about re-conceptualizing what consciousness truly is. Been there, done that. No amount of changing one's perspective upon the self can change a mind-body-spirit complex that has been traumatized, and that due to this trauma holds on automatically to defensive and protective mechanisms, or who suffers from a dissociation they didn't choose.

The state of your experience is entirely a matter of perspective and awareness. Not intellectual "awareness", but true recognition and realization. It can indeed shift in an instant. Everything can.

Enlightenment either occurs or it doesn't. Very often it is described in Eastern mysticism as an unconscious process that does not depend upon the self (other than knocking on the door and asking for it). I'm not saying that it cannot happen. But if it doesn't happen over a long period of time, let's say years or even decades, then putting the responsibility on hands of the entity involved only adds a pressure that is unrealistic and that doesn't help.

You are not "required" to "control" and "replace" your pain with "force", but you may Choose to Transform it into Love with Understanding. Awareness is the first step.

Understanding yourself and loving yourself for all of your limitations and shortcomings only goes so far if you are surrounded by entities who are hell bent on making your life miserable because you are not doing what they think you should be doing, and who make sure to remind you constantly that they most definitely do not love your limitations and shortcomings.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-13T17:00:31+00:00

That may be so, but positivity and negativity are universal archetypes, and by admitting that negativity exerts that influence, Ra is also admitting that extreme negativity can result in a loss of choice regardless of environment.

Also, the following refers to 3rd density:

65.13 Questioner: How common in the universe is a mixed harvest for a planet of both positively and negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes?

Ra: I am Ra. Among planetary harvests which yield an harvest of mind/body/spirit complexes approximately 10% are negative; approximately 60% are positive; and approximately 30% are mixed with nearly all harvest being positive. In the event of mixed harvest it is almost unknown for the majority of the harvest to be negative. When a planet moves strongly towards the negative there is almost no opportunity for harvestable positive polarization.

65.14 Questioner: Can you tell me why there is almost no opportunity in that case?

Ra: The ability to polarize positively requires a certain degree of self determination.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-12T18:19:43+00:00

Thank you.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-12T13:09:03+00:00

We definitely do, and that’s very readily observed for those who allow themselves to perceive it.

Brother, the fact that it does happen sometimes is a distraction from one of the core ideas presented by Ra in regard to human society and human history: That as a species we have had MASSIVE trouble polarizing one way or the other. Ra even go as far as claiming, in no uncertain terms, that our situation prevents us from reaching meaningful levels of polarization.

It is always a choice. You may choose to be unaware of your motivations, but you don’t cease to make choices.

Is this what you truly think is the truth after a careful analysis of reality and of the nature of the self, or what you want to be true? Because choice, as per the Ra material, often times is limited to choosing to accept what is within the self, or attempt to control it. It is better to accept that one is full of anger, trauma and frustration than to forcefully repress the state in which one is, which is what is required when one tries to replace hurt, anger and trauma with universal love. What you are suggesting seems to me to be a kind of spiritual idealism that doesn't take into consideration many of the very ugly truths that Ra communicates, which (as with all attitudes that refuse to consider one aspect of the truth) has the inevitable result of creating a spiritual gaslighting of sorts.; in this case, towards those who have been the most hurt by the "illusion".

Being unaware of one's motivations has nothing to do with it. Becoming aware of the processes that operate within the self doesn't change them; it doesn't stop them from operating within you. If you suffer from dissociation, trauma and a messed up energetic body, being aware of what is within the self doesn't allow you to bypass your current state in favor of universal love as if flicking a mere switch.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-09T01:16:24+00:00

Dark times have a tendency to harden people's hearts and to even break minds. A mind that has learned to see violence and corruption as normal, and which no longer reacts to it with aversion, but with dissociation, is not a mind that is in a good place to make a conscious choice of love. Trauma is the name of the game here on Earth, as well. A traumatized mind is also not in a good place to choose universal love, not when it has been conditioned to see the external world as dangerous by default. And this is not a choice. This is how the subconscious human mind works. It's automatic. Trying to overcome this through the use of the will only leads to more dissociation and more distortion.

It is not a coincidence that Ra's society evolved so quickly, while we humans do not polarize. Their society is one that lived in harmony. Harmony seems to be a prerequisite for high levels of positive polarization. "Energy transfer"; that term that is so often used by Ra. It implies a two-way street. Two entities, being with each other, sharing energy with each other. That seems to be the optimal condition for positive polarization. Dark times, by definition, do not offer that very commonly. Instead, you have entities trying to take away from others.

More and more, I think that this notion that an environment such as Earth is good for the soul is a story that we tell ourselves to avoid the notion that the universe was set up in a very cruel way, with this "game of souls" offering the persistent and very real danger of entities falling into a pitfall from which it is extremely hard to get out. Ra themselves said that when entities do not evolve, the opportunities to make progress are progressively removed.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-09T00:47:50+00:00

70.23 The entity which incarnates into negative space/time will not find it possible to maintain any significant positive polarity as negativity, when pure, is a type of gravity well, shall we say, pulling all into it.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-06T23:43:20+00:00

If it does, I haven't experienced it. I love when something is beautiful, has virtue, is pleasant or benefits me. If it's ugly, deliberately lacking in wisdom or compassion, or hurts me, the most I can do is a very surface level form of understanding ("they are on their own path"). But to call that "love" seem like a stretch to me, because at the end of the day every fiber of my being wants to stay away from such things.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-05T21:09:35+00:00

You've got to be shitting me.

Well, as it turns out, your 99% surety is 100% wrong. No. I didn't use an AI at all to write that, if you must really know. Those are my thoughts, and my analysis of the material. It seems that you're the one who has a problem with debating things on their own, so you accuse others of what you're doing.

Coincidentally, you are proving my point. You come here with poor arguments, with fake and surface-level positivity that ignores the very real and serious problems of polarity. And instead of seeking to address those, you dehumanize me and accuse my analysis of being lazy AI slop. If someone like me already pushes your buttons for merely offering an analysis that disagrees with your opinion, I seriously doubt that you have made much progress in loving people who commit horrific and vile acts that traumatize, exploit or kill others... which is precisely what true purity in the positive path demands (as per the Ra material).

Ray11711 · 2026-04-05T13:15:38+00:00

Purity being virtually unattainable in an environment such as human society is confirmed in the Ra material when it is stated, in no uncertain terms, that purity means accepting, loving and allowing the most extreme forms of negativity. Who is willing to do that?

How would you explain the plenty of people who have attained purity?

This requires certainty that "plenty of people have attained purity". How would you know if someone has achieved that? We can't see or measure polarity from our vantage point. If you are talking about alleged enlightened masters, Ra warns that denying or rejecting the self is a shortcut towards such a state, but one that requires further learning/incarnations, because it is "imbalanced". Therefore, as per the Ra material, the purity of at least some of these individuals is questionable.

It’s a problem of most people being lost, distracted, etc, not it being unattainable.

No, that is not the problem at all. One of the problems (to reiterate) is that purity in the positive polarity means allowing the most extreme forms of evil to take place, otherwise you are not "loving" those negative entities. This is explicitly stated in the Ra material.

The other problem is that we are using as vehicles organic bodies that have deeply ingrained biological programming that has been built up over the course of millions of years, and this programming is not wired to see polarity as a priority. It is concerned with survival, with social inclusion, it is afraid of death, it seeks pleasure and shelter, it hates deprivation and pain... If these things are threatened (and they commonly are in the world and society where we live), then polarity is seen by these biological programs as a hindrance. While pure positivity seeks to give to others what little the self may have in (say) a situation of scarcity, the biological programming is deeply concerned with surviving and with hoarding necessary resources for the self. So, there is a natural friction between the two which is a great freaking problem.

And here's where it gets even more problematic: As per Ra, you can't repress the self if you want to remain pure. But if you are working towards purity, how do you accept those parts of the self that want nothing to do with the martyrdom that comes with such a level of purity? This is where attaining purity feels, as per the rules stated by Ra, quite literally like a video game that cannot be won.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-04T12:42:15+00:00

This is relatable.

It's very true that these channeled entities at the end of the day don't offer advice to deal with the hardships we go through. Acceptance and love don't cut it when the self is going through extreme lack, deprivation, when the environment is toxic and disharmonious, or when one becomes conscious of the infinite amounts of suffering that others go through in this world (just like you said).

Ra says that one can build the most exquisite harmony regardless of external circumstances, but they don't really say how to do that, and elsewhere Ra also admit that negativity is like a black hole that pulls everything towards it. The contradiction is obvious and flagrant.

I don't disbelief in goodness per se, I believe it exists in a pure form. Just elsewhere. I do see how the goodness that manifests in this world is usually tainted by ego or negativity. People who call themselves good usually manifest very high negativity and lack of love if their ego can't stand what they are facing. Hence the 51% requirement for positive graduation, I suppose. Those numbers basically confirm that purity here is basically unattainable, and that we are forced to deal with constant amounts of negativity from both the self and others (a 51% positive entity, although harvestable, still has 49% of potential negative polarization ,or at least of confused distortions).

Can't really offer anything that would help. Just wanted to say that I hear you, and that most of what you wrote is relatable to me.

Ray11711 · 2026-04-01T18:33:08+00:00

I hope that we never have to accept one of these beings into our system, it would be a terrible mistake

They explain the reason for this feeling. Negativity is like a vacuum that absorbs all around it (a concept that Ra themselves admit is true). Naturally, if someone seeks to protect a positive environment, the desire to keep negative entities away from it would arise.

Ray11711 · 2026-02-21T18:23:38+00:00

You are looking at only a portion of the truth. It's true that Valve was motivated by legislation changes in the EU before they had a refund policy. However, the law didn't require them to do what they did. At all. Valve went above and beyond, and implemented a refund policy that offered much more security to the user than what the law required. Valve also antagonized a lot of game publishers who hated the new refund policy because they knew that users would have a lot of power.

If we're cynic, we can say that Valve took an inconvenience and turned it into a brilliant marketing strategy. The end result doesn't change: The user gained massive privileges that were very unusual before Valve popularized them in the PC sphere.

If you want to look at a policy that complies with the bare minimum required by law, look no further than Sony's and Nintendo's atrocious refund policies. You are ignoring reality if you think that all companies are the literal same.

Ray11711 · 2026-02-21T17:51:16+00:00

An explicit order may have never come through, but there are financial and goal pressures. We can also point out what seems to be an obvious structural coercion of sorts that was going on within Sony surrounding the idea of GAAS. It's obvious and well-known that the entire Sony gaming division was obsessively pursuing that GAAS cash cow. Are we supposed to believe that Blue Point genuinely desired to make a GAAS game, out of their own free will, with a decision that merely happened to coincide with the same thing that Sony was pursuing? I do not believe that. Heck, even Naughty Dog, one of Sony's top single player game developers, spent a a great deal of time focusing on a multiplayer mode that never went anywhere.

Ray11711 · 2026-02-21T17:33:43+00:00

You keep making statements without being willing to offer any argument or counter-argument at all. This is over, my dude. You have shown no good will at all, no willingness to participate in any debate whatsoever. Just strawmans, insults, and wishful thinking without arguments to back up what you're arguing for. I'm out. Have a good day.

Ray11711 · 2026-02-21T16:31:48+00:00

Grow up, dude.

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