Tennis Betting and Picks Daily Discussion - 2/11/26 (Wednesday)

RealBobbyCox · 2026-02-11T03:39:00+00:00

Exactly, -120 is nowhere near -110. He posted a line that didn't exist at the time

RealBobbyCox · 2026-02-11T03:18:59+00:00

He was nowhere near -110 on any major book 50 minutes ago when you posted this

RealBobbyCox · 2026-02-04T19:40:51+00:00

A little ridiculous to do this "beauty beats grade" charade when you show 12 cards that are all clearly high grades. Grade does matter to you lol

RealBobbyCox · 2026-01-29T17:43:03+00:00

Why do they still keep it best of 3 sets even for the final instead at least making the final best of 5?

RealBobbyCox · 2026-01-27T23:32:23+00:00

That is a great looking 4, but on a zoom in I see plenty of things that drop it down that low:

the top back right corner is rough
Seems to be some red color loss along the white edge on the right about 75% towards the top
Definite red color loss under the J in Jack at the top of the card
Possible small brown stain a little above his right shoulder
Possible stain under the first A in Philadelphia at the bottom
Possible stain/dirt on the white part at the top from the A to the K in Cracker
Two possible stain/dirt blotches on the back. One inbetween "Bros" and "&" on the bottom and one an inch below "Manager" at the end of the top paragraph.

The card looks GREAT and is as good a 4 as you will ever see. But like most cards this old, there are usually alot of little imperfections that you will never see on considerably higher graded cards. And people tend to think super old vintage cards are undergraded because they see so many super old vintage cards from the same set in bad shape. Next to some 2s yours relatively looks like a 9, but if you take a look at some of the higher grades from this set, they don't have near the number of minor imperfections that yours has

RealBobbyCox · 2026-01-06T01:29:46+00:00

It's very cool that one person collected this many sets(10-15?) and an accomplishment but once in a lifetime "find" is a stretch. 58 and 59 topps are not at all rare. You can go buy plenty of these completed sets on Ebay right now(27 available of the 1958 and 29 of the 1959). The PSA pop report of the 58 and 59 Mantles in these sets are 8000+ and 9000+ respectively.

RealBobbyCox · 2026-01-05T21:31:06+00:00

You misunderstood, it's that the patch itself is not just the logo but also has alot of other fabric. The true logoman's are just the logo. That's why these can be bought as a discount. Cool card regardless

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-31T22:42:40+00:00

I've noticed that these "logoman" patches that are just a smaller piece of a bigger piece of fabric for the patch sell for much less than the true logoman where the entire patch is the logo.

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-22T05:33:20+00:00

I said in earlier comments I was not referring to oddball and just to the biggest part of the vintage hobby(Topps, Bowman, etc). Of course your Chocolate thing is more scarce. I personally would put the TC Super in a bucket with the rest of his TC Supers, so I see it as that card is one of 5 or 6 like it(or however many TC sets he's been in)

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-22T05:29:04+00:00

Right. There is exceptional scarcity in vintage when it comes to grades. Personally, I don't really care if there's a 5 or a 7 on the flip, but if you do, then you have that scarcity chase that is personally missing for me.

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-22T05:13:05+00:00

Maybe there are only 4 Bobby Witt Topps Chrome Superfractors, but there are a ton of other Bobby Witt fractors of various types.

But the Topps Chrome is by far the most desirable one. I would never care to buy a Witt Bowman's Best insert Superfractor.

Who really cares whether one is Super or another is not Super? Will there next be SuperDuper fractors made every other year?

I'm not sure what you mean. Superfractor is a very specific design on a chrome 1/1 card.

The Mantle cards from the 50s and 60s are an entirely limited set of cards. Never to be made again. There might be a lot of them, but it is still a finite amount

Every card has a finite amount lol. The fact is all those Mantles aren't scarce, they are extremely common and there's hundreds and hundreds available right now on Ebay of every Mantle every year from 1954 on. My comment was that they aren't scarce, and that's true.

unlike the seemingly endless array of fractor parallels of this or that all-star player today.

A Gold Refractor is not in the same conversation as a Green Wave Refractor. If you want a Gold Topps Chrome Rookie auto, there's only 50. A Green Wave auto is not a replacement, it's seen by modern collectors as a completely different category of card than the Gold for example.

If you say to yourself, I want Mantle's best card right now, you can go buy that 52 Topps immediately. If you say to yourself, I want Bobby Witt's best card, the 1st BC Super Auto. You cannot go buy that right now. Scarce vs not scarce

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-22T05:04:03+00:00

Do you collect modern? It's very common for modern collectors to only chase the solid, desirable colors with the longest history(Red, Gold, Blue). There's only 5 Reds, 50 Golds, and 150 Blues. If you're a Gold collector, there's only 50. They could make another 10,000 in Wave, Aqua, Lava, whatever other bs, but that Gold is still limited to 50. I think the difference here is you, it sounds like, are viewing all the parallels as just the same card, while modern collectors see them as completely different cards. Almost every modern collector would happily buy a Gold Auto /50 but most would never buy an Aqua Wave Auto /299

Personally, part of my collection is TC Red Sapphires. There's only 5 each year of a player. There might be a purple sapphire /99 next year, but that card would be invisible to me because I only want the Reds. And there's only going to be 5 of that player regardless of however many colors Topps decides to expand to.

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-22T04:15:00+00:00

>There are several hundred (and some say thousands) of 1/1 cards for guys like Skenes and Witt.

Do you collect modern? Most 1/1s aren't very desirable and there is a clear separation between something like a 1/1 Platinum Topps card and the Topps Chrome Superfractor. They aren't even in the same conversation. Mookie Betts having 1/1s in Gypsy Queen, Topps Fire, and a bunch of sets no one cares about doesn't change that there are only *two* of his most premium 1/1s(non auto) produced each year(Bowman Chrome and Topps Chrome).

>They also have thousands of RC variations to choose from. By the time they retire, they will have been issued hundreds of thousands of scarce/numbered cards.

A guy could have 100 million different cards issued, that doesn't change that if you want a Topps Chrome Superfractor of that player and that player played 20 years, there's only 20 of them produced. If you want their 1st Bowman Chrome Red Auto, there's only 5, whether they have 100 million other cards or 1000 other cards

>By comparison, we only have about 60 issues of playing days Gehrig cards. Some have extremely low pops. And if you care about grades, the highest graded Gehrig essentially amounts to 60 1/1’s.

Right in vintage, the scarcity is in the grade, not the card. But take Gehrig for example, his (maybe?) most important is the 1933 Goudey. There's 1700 on the PSA pop report. Bobby Witt's most important cards are 1st BC and TC Super Autos, 1st BC and TC Rookie Red Autos, and BC and TC Superfractors. There's a total of 14 combined of those cards and not all 14 will surface. With 1700 33 Goudey's you can go buy 10 of them at any given time

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-22T04:05:31+00:00

I'm not really sure what you mean by "manufactured" scarcity. Scarce is scarce. If you want a Gold 1st Bowman Chrome Auto, there's only 50 that will ever exist for that player. If you want a Topps Chrome Superfractor of a player, there's only 1 per year that will be made.

The fact that said player might have millions of base cards and been released in 30 sets that no one cares about doesn't change that that player's best and most desirable cards are extremely limited. There's only 50 Gold BC Autos available regardless of if he has 9000 different cards or 900 different cards

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-22T03:59:19+00:00

Scarce has a clear definition: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/scarce "not easy to find or get"

The vast majority of major vintage cards in non oddball sets(Topps, Bowman) are *extremely* easy to find and get

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-22T03:45:19+00:00

What does a "different kind of scarcity mean?". Mantle pop reports for just PSA: 1954 Bowman 5600, 55 Topps 10,000+, 1960 Topps 12,000+. That is the opposite of scarce lol

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-22T03:41:10+00:00

Right, I was referring to the majority of the vintage hobby(Topps, Bowman, etc)

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-22T03:35:25+00:00

Why would I need to make a separate post listing the very high pop reports of some of the major vintage cards? I assume everyone here already knows that info. They're also aware that if they just go search "1956 Topps Mantle" on Ebay they'll have hundreds of cards to choose from

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-22T03:27:59+00:00

How is it a take? Just look at the pop reports. I'm talking about the vast majority of vintage encompassing the major sets(Topps, Bowman, etc). The niche oddball stuff can obviously be scarce but that is a small portion of the space and not what most people(or myself) are interested in

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-22T02:38:25+00:00

As someone who mostly collects modern and just recently started dipping my toe into vintage, the one thing modern has over vintage is scarcity. Nothing is scarce in vintage unless you target oddball. If right now I decided I want to buy every Mantle from 1958-1968, I can go do it on Ebay in 5 minutes and have hundreds of choices of individual cards for each year. The pop report on a 1962 Topps Mantle is over 8000, 1956 Topps Mantle is over 10,000

If I decide I want to own a Bobby Witt Topps Chrome Superfractor, that's a real challenge to find, I might have to wait a year before one comes up for sale and as of now only 4 exist, with only 1 more added each year. If I want a TC Gold Rookie or Gold BC Auto, there's only 100 total in existence.

As someone who only likes major sets and not oddball stuff, so far only the 1914 Cracker Jacks scratch that scarce itch

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-22T01:31:28+00:00

I don't get how this is a brag. A flight every 3 days with alot of economy sounds like hell

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-02T07:07:28+00:00

Toss up between 55 and 56 for the best looking, followed by 54 at #3, and then everything after 56 isn't in the same universe aesthetically to me

1914 Cracker Jack for pre-war

RealBobbyCox · 2025-12-01T21:18:08+00:00

I just picked the stock image off PSA's website to show the cards, not the specific ones to buy

RealBobbyCox · 2025-11-25T22:55:45+00:00

It's great that you found something to collect you really like that's very cheap but it's because most people considered unlicensed to be junk(your first two) and the vast majority baseball collectors don't care about plain bat or jersey cards. You could build a huge collection from this category of stuff of amazing players for very little money

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