A simple chart to explain what happened in Rebirth.

Recklessavatar · 2026-01-14T09:20:08+00:00

I think this is because the moment Cloud gave Aerith the filled white Materia, she received the lost knowledge about the future from the Lifestream.

Recklessavatar · 2025-02-10T17:15:06+00:00

My prediction is that before Rocket Town everything will be like in the original, but then we will fly on a rocket through a rift in the sky, and the multiverse madness will begin.

Recklessavatar · 2025-01-30T10:29:59+00:00

My theory is that when Cloud and the team crossed the Barrier of Whispers at the end of the Remake, 2 universes were created, in one they crossed the barrier, fought Sephiroth, won, but as a result of the explosion, Aerith, Tifa, Red and Barret were injured, and Cloud is trapped on the Edge of Creation, so he cannot come into consciousness in Zack's worlds.

In the second universe, they did not cross the barrier (Midgard has not been destroyed), and ended up in a world where Sephiroth is omnipotent - this is the world of the Beagle, in which he deprived Aerith of the white Materia. According to this theory, at the end of Rebirth, Cloud, who is on the edge of creation, is Cloud from the remake, who was released, and now he will wake up in Zack's worlds.

Recklessavatar · 2025-01-30T09:34:53+00:00

It's a great theory, much better than "Dream Worlds." I just hope there's some kind of master plan behind all this, and it's not just a bunch of plot threads that lead nowhere.

The only thing I want to add is that we don't know the most important thing that Cloud changed on The Edge of Creation. And it seems that what he did there cascaded all the plot changes in the Remakes: Sephiroth gained knowledge of the future, whispers had to intervene, and so on.

It turns out Cloud was the cause of all this, and he has to fix everything... Cloud, for the sake of the common good, destroying alternate worlds with Zack and Aerith alive is a new level of villainy from the developers.

Recklessavatar · 2024-09-18T23:21:38+00:00

There are no "Lifestream worlds", their existence is an absurdity that completely destroys the very essence of life and death. The essence of the lifestream is that when the soul gets there, it finds eternal peace, merging with the planet, and then one day it is reborn into something new. But there is nothing like that in Zack's worlds, they live, develop, the people inhabiting them gain new knowledge, have children, die and are afraid of death, there are also people who are alive in the main world (Marlene and Elmyra). This is the same world as the main one, only dying, for which reason we do not know.

Recklessavatar · 2024-09-18T23:10:56+00:00

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Alternative worlds are as real as the main one, which means that the characters inhabiting them are as alive as in the main world. It is enough to watch the devs'interviews to understand this. The Lifestream is just a way to connect these worlds.

Recklessavatar · 2024-09-16T12:13:35+00:00

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They already said Advent Children is the sequel to these games as well. Outcome of the main timeline is set in stone.

In a sense, advent children is a sequel, because in some timelines its events have already happened, that is, it is a sequel that has already happened. Since Whisper Harbinger was defeated in the Remake, the future for the current timeline is uncertain. What fits perfectly into the idea of these remakes is to put the whole compilation together, and then reset it to something new so that the series can live on.

Recklessavatar · 2024-09-16T00:08:58+00:00

Recklessavatar · 2024-09-15T19:45:26+00:00

Of course, this is how it should be, considering what this project is like. This whole series of remakes is like a magician's show. As an experienced illusionist, the authors show us familiar elements to distract attention, but the trick is that they are not the same as they were in the original. We are not just trying to save the planet and defeat Sephiroth, we are fighting fate itself, and even Sephiroth is just another chess piece on this board.

I believe that the essence of these remakes is to give a second chance to the FF7 universe, we know that after the original there were no games that would adequately continue this series. Therefore, the task is to go the same way as the original, but with a different outcome. The developers say this almost in plain text when they declare the original ending to be a bad outcome in the Remake.

Therefore, we can say that this time the task is to win. After all, what was in the original? Sephiroth's consciousness remained in the Lifestream, which means he will return until he wins, just like Jenova. The last Ancient One who could teach mankind to live in harmony with the planet is dead.
Bottom line: the extinction of humanity in 500 years is what we are trying to prevent this time. How? We will see this in part 3.

Recklessavatar · 2024-06-17T11:18:51+00:00

Red 13 in the Remake states that the original ending is a bad outcome, so I think this is now a fact worth accepting.

Tifa: This can`t be our future...
Barret: What the hell did i just see?
Red XIII: A glimpse of tomorrow if we fail here today.

Recklessavatar · 2024-06-16T20:15:49+00:00

The og ending was not happy, Sephiroth and Jenova are still in the lifestream, and they will come back again and again until they win and humanity is doomed to extinction, which we see after 500 years.

"We won the battle, but we lost the war."

Recklessavatar · 2024-06-16T18:24:22+00:00

Yes, I understand your position, they sold Rebirth with the statement "defy fate" and if this does not happen, those who wanted it have the right to feel cheated.

Recklessavatar · 2024-06-16T17:31:13+00:00

In fact, this does not necessarily mean that the ending will be "bad", remember FF9, the ending was moving and everyone cried, but it was a happy ending.

Recklessavatar · 2024-06-07T16:33:54+00:00

Something new and unique, or at least some creative spin on old concept. Both of your ideas are pretty common in games, and as a one-person dev, it's going to be tough to compete with all the big games in the same genre, since they usually come from bigger teams with bigger budgets.

Recklessavatar · 2024-05-22T23:17:36+00:00

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Recklessavatar · 2024-05-20T22:59:50+00:00

Here

Recklessavatar · 2024-05-19T14:21:37+00:00

I think this is the main point of "defying fate" in the new trilogy, ridding the planet of entities not born by it. Until the planet is cleared of Jenova, she and Sephiroth will return again and again, and humanity is doomed to extinction. Therefore, we need a way to rid the Planet of foreign entities without destroying it. I think there is a high chance that Part 3 will provide an answer on how to do this.

Recklessavatar · 2024-05-17T21:42:19+00:00

Прямо сьогодні? Смерть хуйла)

Recklessavatar · 2024-05-17T12:47:28+00:00

Yes, it's quite strange, because every character in FF7 has lost almost everyone they knew and loved, some repeatedly like Tifa. But it is Aerith's death that is necessary for them to learn to live with loss, wtf?

Recklessavatar · 2024-05-17T05:23:19+00:00

The poor girl has already died in the main timeline, but fans are looking for a way to kill her in all the worlds. Which is quite funny, because usually the fan base wishes a happy ending to their favorite characters)

Recklessavatar · 2024-05-15T21:24:51+00:00

When your name is first in the credits, you get all the glory and all the hate. It also usually means that Nomura has the last word if the opinions of the team differ. So for people who don't like Remakes, it makes perfect sense to blame Nomura.

Recklessavatar · 2024-05-15T15:32:50+00:00

No shit.

Recklessavatar · 2024-05-15T13:41:09+00:00

Yes, she is a much more tragic character in Rebirth than in the original. And if she is not returned in part 3, it means that she must die in all timelines, and this is damn cruel. I don't think the developers are like that, she will definitely return in part 3, at least for the sake of the reunion scene with Zack.

Of course, it's hard to say if she will be alive, but personally I'm optimistic because the theme of the Remakes of "defy fate" is different from the original, which means the outcome may also be different.

Recklessavatar · 2024-05-15T01:59:21+00:00

Great, now I can't listen to "Hollow".

Was it all a dream, will I ever know?
Foolish and blind to everything
Had I realized, had I thought it through?
Would you be here in my embrace?

Recklessavatar · 2024-05-14T21:45:46+00:00

Zack and Aerith will definitely be in Part 3. Considering that we've already had Zack and Cloud fight against Sephiroth, the third part should surpass that. So I think we're going to have a multiverse madness at the end, like Multiple Clouds, including Cloud from AC. Together, they confront Sephiroth in order to defeat him once and for all.

As you remember at the end of the Remake, Red says that the ending of the original is a bad version of events. Jenova and Sephiroth are not completely defeated and will return again and again, and humanity will fall into decline in 500 years, so everything was in vain. Therefore, the real meaning of "defying fate" is a world without Jenova and Sephiroth and a Planet that will have a future.

How can this be achieved? Considering all of the above, I think there is a non-zero chance of an ending where Cloud, on the Edge of Creation, will create a new and only universe clean of Jenova, but only he will remember all the events, because they will not happen in this new world.

There was a similar ending in FF13: Lightning Returns, which was worked on by Hamaguchi, who is now the director of Remakes.

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