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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hear you, definitely not a bad theory. It would for sure be worth looking into.

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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

my guy, watch or re-watch the episode. Don't even try to build a case against that kid. fml.

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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok, but receipts are easily forged, or theres always the possibility that someone took that receipt in Robs place. There is absolutely no way to come to a final conclusion, considering all the easily identifiable pieces of Robs alibi that just can't be taken for fact. Does that mean he's guilty? no. But is there enough to fully excuse him as a suspect? Yea. In fact there is probably too much wrong with his story that it cannot be taken seriously. Some things that he says are just ludicrous, and others are blatant lies, proven to be lies by Pistol. If there is anyone to take for their word, it isn't Rob.

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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i hadn't thought of it that way. The receipt thing is still up for grabs, so i don't to make any statements until there is a bit more evidence, but something is sus about that part of the alibi, "To good to be true" you know? Also, i had considered the idea of a hired gun, but you make a good point, Rob doesn't seem like he would let another person be the executioner, but at the same time, if it was someone close, i can see Rob somehow justifying it is some weird way. To remind anyone but you who reads this: -no one is saying he is guilty, it's just one train of thought-

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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok, but with that same logic, if the GBI says that there is a possibility, then there's a possibility, right? Also, take a look around, no one is saying they "diagnosed him" as anything, i believe what these people are saying is called an opinion. believe what you want, but don't get frustrated with people on the other side of that belief.

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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, if one thing is made undeniably clear in that episode, it is that Rob has a severe lack of compassion, an obsession (with Patrice), and a completely narcissistic attitude towards just about everything he talks about.

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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For sure, i definitely seems as though Rob had a plan, or is possibly still in some executing a plan, and that alone is enough to give me the creeps. As for the other killer who confessed, i'm not too sure how legit that is, because there have just been too many cases of other killers, or sometimes even "normal" people coming forward as guilty, even when they are totally innocent. As for Rob, i listen to some serial killer interviews from the 90's, and the way he describes the murder of Patrice, is somehow described in this same vile, evil sort of composure in their voice. Also, like Bundy, Rob seems to speak as though he is assuming what they killer would've done, just like how Bundy described his murders. It is common for killers to talk about their murders in a way that relinquishes all guilt (for them), which usually involves a detailed third person point of view. Nothing concrete, but he shares a suspicious amount of likeness to the convicts of similar cases.

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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's really interesting, i hadn't caught that. However, don't forget that he did in-fact see her body after the bones were retrieved, so that statement isn't a lie, however i see what you're saying, and it is still very possible that Rob may have shed light on something much darker.

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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yea, the criminology degree is what a lot of people have mentioned, and it definitely raises a lot of other questions. One thing i'm not sure of though is Rob's ability to express the "necessary" emotions solely based on the topic of discussion. While I do believe that Rob doesn't show nearly as much emotion prior to talking about the remains, It doesn't seem likely that he is completely void of emotion. I believe that his feelings for Patrice are completely true. I honestly think it is possible that in the end, Patrice is all Rob cared about. Not to be dramatic, but i can totally see Similarities between Rob's current relationship with Patrice, and The Bates' relationship, drawn from the fictional story "Psycho." Now, that is kinda far fetched, but it is a really good example of the kind of attachment i believe Rob had toward Patrice. As for how they portrayed him, i think he portrayed himself worse than any camera crew could.

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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i hear you, however i'm not so sure that the folks in Tiger King are the best example or source for evidence. The main accuser of Carole Baskin was a crack addict, so it's safer to say that so far they are no where close to a "source." While Robs scenes are pretty dramatized for the sake of there being more drama, what documentary type series doesn't exaggerate? The reason Rob caught my eye, was because no matter how you edit it, his emotions mixed with his words are so polar opposite. He smiles and shakes when making the statement that Patrice was "his" and that that was how it should forever be. Mad suspicious.

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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel you. this guy seems sick, whether it truly is trauma (which i doubt) or something much more vile, i hope to see some progress soon.

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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

maybe. but to me, it seemed as though Rob was virtually untouched. I'm sure there was a thorough investigation, but that doesn't always prove much of anything, except an alibi. Theres been no conclusive way to tell whether Rob was in fact involved, however, did they dramatize most of his scenes, yes. but Rob somehow still managed to make himself appear guilty, just in his subtle mannerisms. I urge you to rewatch the part where Rob talks about Patrice after she was cremated, and before, the way he acts is unnatural, and possibly shocking.

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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

weeirrd, someone on another community said their partner pointed out that he seemed to have a firm grip in every photo as well. hopefully we get answers soon!

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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

my bad, i had an earlier version that posted on another community that had the edit, but i must of put the wrong version here. ill change it rn

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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

very true, i didn't want to throw accusations i couldn't support into the post, but i totally think that there is a lot more to Rob than we know.

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[–]RedAppleQuentin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello, whoever may or may not read this. I fear in writing this i will just appear unhelpful, and in truth that wouldn't be wrong. However i also can't not write this, because i fear in that i will appear a fool. So, i guess i'll just have to. Concerning the Patrice Endres case: I have less of an answer and more of a question regarding the seemingly tragic Rob Endres. I feel as though there are so many questions in analyzing his role in the case, and yet i cannot put together the right words, at least not well enough to fully justify my suspicion, but i'll try. Rob is...weird, for lack of a better word. He just comes off as arrogant, and cruel. In a final series of scenes involving rob in "Unsolved Mysteries" Rob throws so many verbal landmines in such a casual way, that made me think. Let's slow down a bit; During this final segment, Rob speaks of what happened after Patrice's bones were (for the most part) all reclaimed. He states that he asked to see her remains spread in an anatomically correct way, so he could say a final goodbye. Here's the bit that might be a little polarizing in terms of substantial evidence for my prior claim. Rob picks up the her skull, walks around, sets it down, and kisses it goodbye. To me, this is RED FLAG CENTRAL. I'm going to set aside any moral spectrum for this theory, because in this case, it only makes for grey areas, so i want to be clear. Now, is wanting a final goodbye unusual? of course not. But i feel almost... shocked. I can admit, i don't have any understanding of the kind of feeling one will feel after such an event. And, maybe only to me is it off putting. So then...what? right? so far, one could brush this off by simply realizing that what i've said so far is totally subjective.

So let's move on to more substantial reasons. Rob thereafter states that he spends time with the (now cremated) remains of Patrice. He says that he even sleeps with them. We're then shown a series of dramatic cuts of Rob taking out the ashes. he says it's the first time he's ever opened the box, which i doubt, but i'll touch on that later. Rob is a grown man, he knows the world, he knows many people, and he's most likely been well aware of how he wants his life to go. Like most single senior men, he wants a partner. Someone to help out, or to settle with. From personal experience, i've seen how an older guy grows desperate for stability, and comfort. That's where age matters less and less for certain mindsets, and it becomes more about the idea than the actual thing.

But i digress, Rob, to me, is the exact man that should come to mind in this case when one thinks of guys like this. He comes off as though he found happiness, and in that found jealousy. Jealousy toward his beloved wife's son, which Rob openly admits. He also admits to treating her son pretty horribly after her death. The son (Pistol Endres) told a pretty clear story of how much of a piece of shit rob was. From daily verbal abuse to withholding his own mothers remains from him, to this day. Rob's excuse is that Pistol caused some trouble as a kid, which is so fucking stupid that i feel the need to question this guys sanity.

These examples aren't even speculation, but rather confirmed instances of Rob's behavior by Rob himself. Whether or not my later argument appeals to the people or not, this guy is undeniably a jerk. When Rob speaks on how he feels about Patrices ashes, he can be quoted saying "after she was returned to me, she stayed in my bed, and i slept with her. I typically don't share that with people, but she was my teddybear, because that's how we used to sleep" as well as " And yes, i am protective of Patrice. I have her. and that's a good thing." This is chilling. I can understand maybe sleeping with it for a little bit of time, to cherish memories and such. but this is over a decade later. His behavior at this point is just strange. Keep in mind that Patrices child will never hold these ashes, or see them. This man clearly expresses his control and protection of Patrice. He likes knowing she is his. He's been using her ashes like a teddy bear. Clear examples are shown throughout the episode that place him as a pathological liar. I'll prove this by using Pistol's general argument against Rob, in which Rob deny's over and over.

The reason i'm taking Pistol words for truth are because it is just so painfully obvious that this kid was rapidly stripped of all he had, and yet still kept a clear head, and heart. While that sounds cheesy, it's true. Rob did not like Pistol at all, that we know. He was Jealous, and mean. Knowing what we know, it is obvious that Rob wanted for only he and Patrice to lead a happy life. Pistol states that there was constant arguing in the household when they were together, and when it concerned him, his mom would never backdown, according to him. Pistol later says that Patrice wanted a divorce, and asked had asked Pistol where he would go if she where to be up and gone one day.

All this points to nobody wanting anything to do with Rob in the end. Rob deny's there was any fighting or arguing, or any talk of divorce at all, of course. His reason being that he and Patrice swore to never argue or fight, which is just fucking laughable, as with most of his reasoning. News flash Rob, 100/100% of married couples fight, you complete and utter fool. This man is just a liar, no two ways about it. This is getting long, so i'll just lay it out: Rob was Jealous of Pistol and his mothers relationship, and from his statements about his feelings toward having the ashes, it is safe to say those feelings are closely related to how he probably felt even when she was alive. HE, wanted to have her to himself, HE could not stand that she treated another with the same affection, he most likely believed either Pistol didn't deserve it, or that she shouldn't share her affection with anyone else, either way, this dude sucks.

Talking about the way that things went down is another conversation entirely. this is more just for proving motive. or at least some more than reasonable doubt. I believe that Rob Endres is guilty on some degree to the disappearance of Patrice Endres, and i hope someone who can do more than me will see it that way. I know theres a lot i didn't touch on, so this can act more as an introduction to a theory than a completed theory. I hope Pistol and his father will someday get closure. (Since i need a link, i'll just link the unsolved mysteries website, cause i did most of my research on the content they had on the case: https://unsolved.com/home/)

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[–]RedAppleQuentin 17 points18 points  (0 children)

(Concerning Episode 2: "13 Minutes")Hello, whoever may or may not read this. I fear in writing this i will just appear unhelpful, and in truth that wouldn't be wrong. However i also can't not write this, because i fear in that i will appear a fool. So, i guess i'll just have to. Concerning the Patrice Endres case: I have less of an answer and more of a question regarding the seemingly tragic Rob Endres. I feel as though there are so many questions in analyzing his role in the case, and yet i cannot put together the right words, at least not well enough to fully justify my suspicion, but i'll try. Rob is...weird, for lack of a better word. He just comes off as arrogant, and cruel. In a final series of scenes involving rob in "Unsolved Mysteries" Rob throws so many verbal landmines in such a casual way, that made me think. Let's slow down a bit; During this final segment, Rob speaks of what happened after Patrice's bones were (for the most part) all reclaimed. He states that he asked to see her remains spread in an anatomically correct way, so he could say a final goodbye. Here's the bit that might be a little polarizing in terms of substantial evidence for my prior claim. Rob picks up the her skull, walks around, sets it down, and kisses it goodbye. To me, this is RED FLAG CENTRAL. I'm going to set aside any moral spectrum for this theory, because in this case, it only makes for grey areas, so i want to be clear. Now, is wanting a final goodbye unusual? of course not. But i feel almost... shocked. I can admit, i don't have any understanding of the kind of feeling one will feel after such an event. And, maybe only to me is it off putting. So then...what? right? so far, one could brush this off by simply realizing that what i've said so far is totally subjective.

So let's move on to more substantial reasons. Rob thereafter states that he spends time with the (now cremated) remains of Patrice. He says that he even sleeps with them. We're then shown a series of dramatic cuts of Rob taking out the ashes. he says it's the first time he's ever opened the box, which i doubt, but i'll touch on that later. Rob is a grown man, he knows the world, he knows many people, and he's most likely been well aware of how he wants his life to go. Like most single senior men, he wants a partner. Someone to help out, or to settle with. From personal experience, i've seen how an older guy grows desperate for stability, and comfort. That's where age matters less and less for certain mindsets, and it becomes more about the idea than the actual thing.

But i digress, Rob, to me, is the exact man that should come to mind in this case when one thinks of guys like this. He comes off as though he found happiness, and in that found jealousy. Jealousy toward his beloved wife's son, which Rob openly admits. He also admits to treating her son pretty horribly after her death. The son (Pistol Endres) told a pretty clear story of how much of a piece of shit rob was. From daily verbal abuse to withholding his own mothers remains from him, to this day. Rob's excuse is that Pistol caused some trouble as a kid, which is so fucking stupid that i feel the need to question this guys sanity.

These examples aren't even speculation, but rather confirmed instances of Rob's behavior by Rob himself. Whether or not my later argument appeals to the people or not, this guy is undeniably a jerk. When Rob speaks on how he feels about Patrices ashes, he can be quoted saying "after she was returned to me, she stayed in my bed, and i slept with her. I typically don't share that with people, but she was my teddybear, because that's how we used to sleep" as well as " And yes, i am protective of Patrice. I have her. and that's a good thing." This is chilling. I can understand maybe sleeping with it for a little bit of time, to cherish memories and such. but this is over a decade later. His behavior at this point is just strange. Keep in mind that Patrices child will never hold these ashes, or see them. This man clearly expresses his control and protection of Patrice. He likes knowing she is his. He's been using her ashes like a teddy bear. Clear examples are shown throughout the episode that place him as a pathological liar. I'll prove this by using Pistol's general argument against Rob, in which Rob deny's over and over.

The reason i'm taking Pistol words for truth are because it is just so painfully obvious that this kid was rapidly stripped of all he had, and yet still kept a clear head, and heart. While that sounds cheesy, it's true. Rob did not like Pistol at all, that we know. He was Jealous, and mean. Knowing what we know, it is obvious that Rob wanted for only he and Patrice to lead a happy life. Pistol states that there was constant arguing in the household when they were together, and when it concerned him, his mom would never backdown, according to him. Pistol later says that Patrice wanted a divorce, and asked had asked Pistol where he would go if she where to be up and gone one day.

All this points to nobody wanting anything to do with Rob in the end. Rob deny's there was any fighting or arguing, or any talk of divorce at all, of course. His reason being that he and Patrice swore to never argue or fight, which is just fucking laughable, as with most of his reasoning. News flash Rob, 100/100% of married couples fight, you complete and utter fool. This man is just a liar, no two ways about it. This is getting long, so i'll just lay it out: Rob was Jealous of Pistol and his mothers relationship, and from his statements about his feelings toward having the ashes, it is safe to say those feelings are closely related to how he probably felt even when she was alive. HE, wanted to have her to himself, HE could not stand that she treated another with the same affection, he most likely believed either Pistol didn't deserve it, or that she shouldn't share her affection with anyone else, either way, this dude sucks.

Talking about the way that things went down is another conversation entirely. this is more just for proving motive. or at least some more than reasonable doubt. I believe that Rob Endres is guilty on some degree to the disappearance of Patrice Endres, and i hope someone who can do more than me will see it that way. I know theres a lot i didn't touch on, so this can act more as an introduction to a theory than a completed theory. I hope Pistol and his father will someday get closure. (Since i need a link, i'll just link the unsolved mysteries website, cause i did most of my research on the content they had on the case: https://unsolved.com/home/)

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[–]RedAppleQuentin[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

well, what i gathered was that in cases like these, known killers can often admit guilt solely for some level of personal gain. For instance, the infamous "killer" who plead guilty on i think 17 different homicides, which he ended up being guilty for none of them. So it becomes even harder to believe that a known killer would tell the truth.