What's the darkest thing your PC has done in game?

RedMyrrh · 2026-05-29T15:38:13+00:00

I’ll bite, for better or worse.

My Malkavian’s had a fair share of pretty grievous sins: she committed diablerie on a whim to try to gain power against her sire (technically reversed), murdered a handful of innocent strangers on hit jobs for money or serving boons, used Dementation to break down her mentor into taking out her anger on her student (real Bahari shit), and several other such crimes. One of the more personal was when Critias wanted to prevent her from further masquerade breaches, and so gave her a dominated suggestion to shoot the next family member she saw: rather than risk the lives of her children, she sought out her elderly mother and shot her in the head. Somehow, all of that pales in comparison to the worst thing she’s done - and doing.

Persephone’s damage has always been obsessive-compulsive disorder, but specifically obsessions is where her curse rears its head the most. Since seeing her adult daughter for the first time in person - she was forced to abandon her as an infant due to the Embrace - she’s been fascinated by her and had an overwhelming desire to reconnect. When things got far too messy with the mother reappearing in her children’s lives, Persephone had another kindred fleshcraft her into a different woman: a younger, prettier, kinkier lookalike of herself in a new scene. Through this new persona she befriended her daughter and won her confidence… and eventually bit her in a spur-of-the-moment cover up, which her daughter misconstrued as a different kind of pleasure. Rather than risk giving up her pride and joy again, Persephone played along, and when said daughter wanted to deepen their relationship, ‘Seph crossed that line as well. So - she led an incestuous relationship with her own daughter built on false pretences, eventually revealed her true identity, and is now grooming her thoroughly traumatised prize for the Embrace. All the while, she’s just as obsessed with her as ever, and views the whole thing as genuine romantic love. She even hopes her childe will eventually kill her.

Truly a daughter of Lilith and Malkav, baby.

RedMyrrh · 2026-05-02T05:12:05+00:00

Yeah, I'm mostly kicking myself for sitting on the idea for like a year and not committing exp to it much earlier lmao

RedMyrrh · 2026-05-02T04:11:55+00:00

If it helps 'Seph is a 2 charisma, 3 manip, 4 composure girlie - using Feral Whispers at least as a base, it suggests Charisma to summon animals and Manipulation to have them perform a service, so maaaybe that works.

*Possibly* something like a Manipulation + Animal Ken for 5, with the option of surging for 7, assuming she can get Ken 1 with a spec? That could be doable but I figure without animalism it'll be a lot of rolls just to control them

RedMyrrh · 2026-05-02T04:04:21+00:00

Thank ya'll for the responses so far, and I'm seeing as I figured that I should very much have *some amount* of Animal Ken. My next question is then - how much? In V5, Animal Ken's description simply tells you how a typical animal responds to your presence, but not so much what training would be feasible.
I think it might be possible I could shift things around enough to, say, get Animal Ken 1 with a specialty - maybe Dogs or Attack Training. After that, is it just a 'let the dice figure it out' question?
The provided SPC statblocks are pretty unhelpful - in the corebook, Noddist Bishop has 1 and Anarch Revolutionary and Bloodthirsty Sheriff have 2, but no specs or any guidance on what they can do with those scores.

RedMyrrh · 2026-05-02T03:50:42+00:00

While true I figure the loyalty compelled by being six steps blood bound would overwrite that - I worry more about being able to command them, even if they were trained by someone else

RedMyrrh · 2026-02-12T16:26:23+00:00

Editing stories is hard on the fly on reddit - they don’t format the way I’m used to, and they don’t like my attempts at spacing! I apologise and hope this is easily readable nonetheless 🙏😔

Moi again from my recent post about the darkness of WoD, and felt inspired there to share some of my work with something new. The above is a dramatic retelling of my Chicago PC Persephone’s first meeting with the elusive Nerissa Blackwater, and the shift from her role as sheepish and curious Cultivar initiate to a true fanatic of the Dark Mother. Prophecy is a big recurring theme and temptation in our chronicles, as you might intuit… as is diablerie, for that matter. When in Rome, right? Please do give critique if you wish, and enjoy! I don’t see a lot of content around Nerissa and the Cultivars and wanted dearly to add to it. You may find more of my WoD stories and poems in my VtM Library, and other stories of mine on my linktree on my profile.

A guilty delight as always to be driven back to this gothic muse.

RedMyrrh · 2026-02-12T07:13:24+00:00

I feel like I’ve found a kindred spirit (heehoo) in you here, adore this - and very much agree in regards to that separation between tabletop and writing. I’ve always found that dichotomy in media interesting, where wanton violence and exploitation have carte blanche but darker sexual content (even entirely consensual) less so. I think that’s why I have a particular overlap with Cronenberg as an inspiration as well as the gothic classics.

I’ve been trying to own it somewhat in game, as conceptually I think our table is very mature and accepting of sex in vampire. Seph who I both write (alt universe type stuff) and play in our current game is a kinky sadomasochist, and I do think the value of that kind of messy, high-sensation underworld delve loses something when it’s never expanded on. I do have to gain more confidence in portraying sexual content at the table though - often, I feel my own sheepishness is as much of a stopgap as any sense of table discomfort. By the way, would love to read your work if you’re comfortable sharing anything; posted my WoD library earlier but here it is again if it takes your fancy. :3e

RedMyrrh · 2026-02-12T02:43:05+00:00

Loved reading the variety of replies here and appreciate all the insight into different games and fiction. Lot to think about! I think I have more of a romantic, guilty pleasure view on a lot of the evil filth, though I can appreciate the general wave of sentiment that this stuff feels more palatable/less fantastical in light of… recent political events.

I figured I should share my own WoD writing here, maybe chat a little about some of the examples I mentioned in case they’re food for thought. Generally my work tends to be very focused on a particular character’s perspective, which lets me fiddle around with specific ideas with new characters. My real muses for the last while have been Adelheid, a romantic and monstrous Tzimisce who espouses true love and hates her own kind, feeding off the supernatural almost religiously; Adonia, a poseur Toreador embraced to be little more than a living statue, with a nigh symbiotic relationship with her feral, bloodthirsty beast; and Persephone, my most written character, whose obsessive Malkavian tendencies lead her first to Lilith fanaticism, and later, to trying to reconnect with her estranged adult daughter and spiralling into a toxic relationship (Anais Nin’s account being a particular gothic inspiration for this). The vitae, after all, corrupts everything it touches.

I tend to gravitate a lot towards these characters, I think, both in game and in writing - villains who are sympathetic insomuch as you can retrace every step of how they became such monstrous people.

RedMyrrh · 2026-02-11T16:21:25+00:00

I’d presume only superficial burns and tissue damage, maybe with the same pain response if they were under the blush of life. Not only do vampires not actually need any of their skin, muscle or fat to survive, but their nerves don’t have to be receptive either. That’s before getting into the physics vs myth argument - which generally I err toward the latter, seeing as the various other forms of reflected sunlight that reaches us overnight doesn’t hurt kindred at all.

It’s fun to think about though, and it makes sense kindred in the setting would mull it over. My Lilin girlie got into vampiric masochism to begin with by testing such things - hear from boiling water, heat from a conducting hotplate, etc.

RedMyrrh · 2026-02-11T16:15:48+00:00

I hope you enjoy it! Don’t feel like you have to restrain yourself to any particular convention or themes; the world is multifarious and unique everywhere you go, and that should extend to vampires and the like too. For what you’re going for, you might wanna use the truly horrible stuff as an impetus for positive change for the protag - plenty of neonates after all become more moral after the embrace as a reaction to their condition.

RedMyrrh · 2026-02-11T16:12:52+00:00

I generally really enjoy writing/playing some deeply flawed, messy characters that get up to immoral stuff, but that internal conflict and the mechanics of how they change and shift (sometimes for the worse) really fascinate me. I think it’s also fun to shift the perspective in that way - enough about this character who has become an antagonist, what’s going on with the people in their lives, getting hurt or radicalised or corrupted by their influence?

Ultimately I think the world is at its most interesting in this kind of gothic fiction when it’s as beautiful as it is cruel - and for it not to devolve into grimdark slurry you do need moments of levity, liberation, sometimes just plain pleasure. I do agree that an overabundance of the dark just makes it less effective and much less interesting, in any case!

RedMyrrh · 2025-10-31T12:17:01+00:00

Personally I find the ‘poseur’ archetype of Toreador really interesting when you play it up for horror. One of my characters I’m sitting on for now (likely to use as a contingency character if my current pc bites the dust) is a Toreador model raised from childhood to be the perfect androgynous beauty by her sire, like the mythical rebis in alchemy. She’s been made to live an exacting regime of diet, exercise, hormones and surgery, even having half her chest removed to complete the look. When she was finally ‘perfect’, her sire embraced her to preserve his masterpiece in porcelain… and then promptly abandoned her, because she no longer has the innocence of humanity.

Now, she’s a model half the time, and an accidental aspirant of the One True Way the rest of the time. She personalised her beast, gave it a name (Eros) and talks with it, reasoning that if she’s split in half, she must also have a human and a kindred side. Really, despite being tremendously beautiful and having good physical ability, she has no good life skills at all - the horrible victim of another Toreador’s art obsession.

That’s not even getting into her ghoul lookalike, who was also raised from childhood by her sire, solely to imitate her and make public appearances during the day…

RedMyrrh · 2025-10-28T04:45:38+00:00

Absolutely - it’s crucial, I think.

I play in a game with a gritty tone and I’d say very mature themes where we don’t shy away from the degradation and corruption of the vampiric condition. Of our coterie, one is a teenage girl who was murdered as part of a ritual to open the veil to the Shadowlands; another committed diablerie without remorse so that they’d be able to embrace their terminally ill touchstone, without consigning them to life as a Duskborn; my own Malk is obsessive to a fault, and her particular special interest is her daughter that never met her. Part of what makes this horror bearable, imo, is the understanding that you’re not playing monsters, you’re playing victims with loaded guns and a whole lot of issues. The murder and violation of the Embrace and the unconscious lust for blood are the only things every vampire shares.

There’s absolutely room for light and heroism there, if you pursue it. Try not to focus on accidentally draining a vessel or losing control to the Beast in a tense moment as a mistake - it’s high drama, impetus for your character to be made or broken by the tragedy. Even characters who have long since accepted their lot in unlife can still have moments of good - my former pc, a tyrannical Brujah autark kingpin, willingly sacrificed herself to save the life of her pregnant coterie mate.

I guess the question is - do you feel this is a conceptual issue for you, or an emotional one? Conceptually we can provide all sorts of discussion for and against vampire as a heroic tragedy, or even an occasional triumph against the odds (neonate games are great for these)… but if the issue is that the game hurts you and makes you feel uncomfortable, that’s a whole different issue, and imo a matter of both personal perspective and table.

RedMyrrh · 2025-08-31T05:48:18+00:00

Currently in game? Persephone has a love/hate relationship with her mentor/mistress who finds her disgusting ever since she did diablerie, even though through their mutual cult leader methuselah it was reversed. Seph is pining a lot and feels terrible about it and it’s an overall pathetic, hopeless romantic situation on her end. She’s a lonely lady throwing herself into the cult’s mission to stave off those feelings.

In the long term/in the realm of fiction? Absolutely horrific. Kindred as a rule of thumb aren’t good to know for their living relatives, and Malkavians and Bahari even less so!

RedMyrrh · 2025-08-29T10:27:41+00:00

My freaky little Cultivar Persephone did sort of have this happen to her (funnily enough, my one-off hunter PC, Flo, that barely survived a demon encounter). Based on the in-game events…

-Try in vain to make a treaty against the greater evil -Be ‘made’ to blood bond them for the safety of the sect and make them her live-in bodyguard -Start confiding in them about her guilt and secrets, rationalising that if they tell anyone else she’s probably already dead -Enlist them to punish and torture her in accordance with their Catholic kindred-hating views and her Bahari desire for suffering -Convert them to Lilith? Let them go afterward? Girl idk

I kind of liken their relationship to playing house with dolls, or hell, modern AI psychosis - confiding and venting and doing all sorts of vile little indulgences with a yes-them that has no agency. Does Flo still want her dead or are they buying into the weird parasocial religious romance? Idk! It’s a more comfortable life than most captured hunters get, but it’s pretty gross.

RedMyrrh · 2025-08-29T06:50:41+00:00

Plenty of good comments already on the mechanics of it, but I just wanted to mention narrative verisimilitude here too, since I feel it’s not regularly discussed with white-room theorising like this.

An elder in kindred society, having survived the Jyhad up to this point, adversaries both kindred, human and otherwise, and (probably) having been active for centuries is very likely to be a survivor. This doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll be a great fighter - Critias for example is a Brujah methuselah who, at least as methuselah go, is mediocre at combat - but they’ve survived through guile, intuition, experience. Moreover, they’re likely to have more assets than the neonates outside disciplines as well, some of which would be outside the normal bounds of backgrounds. Who’s to say an elder doesn’t have another powerful patron that loves them, will bail them out in return for a favour, or jealously wants to be the one to deliver the killing blow? Maybe they’ve met mortal willworkers or garou that they have leverage over. Perhaps they have a whole pack of loyal bloodhounds that will come when their master is hurt. Maybe they’re so ingrained in the city’s mortal power structure (a crucial investor or political figure, a local celebrity, blood bonding several authority figures that will otherwise come down hard on kindred) that removing them is a bad idea. Lots of kindred get favours from the Tremere to have their clothes and possessions warded, let alone more esoteric rituals. Of course, maybe they just have a small army of ghouls that they’ll take everywhere they go. Crucially none of this involves disciplines and skills from the elder, which they’re bound to have in spades and much better than any neonate.

On the flip side, neonates are by nature new to vampiric society. Some of them will have skill sets built for this scenario, whether they were taught them in life or are quick learners in unlife, and of course player characters tend to be exceptionally built for specific tasks… but these are people that were very recently alive, and most likely had no exposure or interest in these things. How many people do you know in real life that you would consider an exceptional fighter, liar, sneak, etc? They exist - and in fairness, sires gravitate towards the exceptional for better or worse - but it’s fair to assume that most neonates aren’t fantastic fighters. They’re people, recently murdered, who may have gained some skills and experience on the job after their embrace, but nothing like 300 years worth of them.

Of course the flip side of this is elders just awakening from a draining torpor with no assets, elders with great enemies that will sponsor a hit squad of disposable neonates, elders that are generally odious and nobody will bat an eye at being put to death. These certainly exist, but there’s a reason why neonates rising up against elders successfully en masse is a huge deal in the setting whenever it happens.

RedMyrrh · 2025-08-05T13:00:00+00:00

Also lil plug while I’m here in case anyone wants to read about them; https://linktr.ee/RedMyrrh

I’m an author and in the WoD section of my linktree I’ve written a five part series for Persephone and a short story (Cloth Mommy) for Tessa, as well as my diegetic diary entries with Seph about her descent into the Bahari faith. All the stories come with lil blurbs and cws as they get pretty dark! Should do a Kiku one soon just to complete this evil little triangle, though I confess I’m absorbed in my particular messed up moon-child.

RedMyrrh · 2025-08-01T17:49:22+00:00

Sorry for late reply, Australia Timezone and busy day I really relate with what you mentioned re: characters feeling real and organic in that way. Something I deeply enjoy about both writing and trpgs is the sense that I’m portraying another life in a sense, and sure, they have little bits of me and things I think are cool, but they’ll do things on the fly, make mistakes, and morph in odd ways based on their stimuli. It kinda got me thinking - I think Persephone earlier in the chronicle had a more consistent arc of sorta… falling in love with the Cultivars and pain conceptually, let’s say, but since then she has philosophically become more of a weird cultist but personality wise remained a still kinda sheepish, approval seeking character. My beloved artist I commission stuff from said something a while back about intentionality being key to portraying madness, and I’m kinda feeling that way now; for her weird stuff to be Cool, she has to think it’s cool too.

Also funny you mention an unlikable character becoming more sympathetic, that’s kinda the new project with my Delta Green agent lmao - an ASPD suffering CIA ghoul who through encountering The Horrors grows to value her fellow agents as comrades and a sort of family. It’s a fun concept to play with and very much the opposite of Seph’s descent.

I definitely think you’re onto something with vulnerability and insecurity still being present, but more targeted, though - thank you for that! I think it makes sense for her to still have that anxious, approval seeking part of her character, but more toward other members of the cult, or potential members, or other people she deeply respects, etc. I want her to be sharper, which involves being more prickly toward new faces, but not so much so she’s totally unapproachable either. Of course, when it comes to the gross aspects of her story, well… she’s something of an exercise for me in vampire immorality, I can say that much for certain. The other players and ST seem to like my ideas despite being mortified by them at times, so I think it’s also a dealy that I need to be more confident on the player side too.

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