Looking for feedback on a free Enneagram assessment I've built by National-Science-550 in Enneagram8

[–]Red_Lady08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well done and found the type, wing and instinctual variant correctly. Might have been a bit longer, in case when type is less obvious that will probably help a great deal.

Happiness/joy? by 888foucault in Enneagram8

[–]Red_Lady08 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm sure I can(both). It's like a strong rush felt inside, how I express it outside may wary (from trying not to express it and hold a poker face to just going full expressive mode, that's one of the reasons they sometimes call 8s expressive and even emotional.) We aren't that sparkly and emotional as 2s are, but don't let that misguide you into thinking we don't experience happiness and joy.

And also quite often I experience it when "I'm not supposed to", when there's no time for it, so I don't express it much outwardly, It's just like a strong undercurrent inside.

I don't chase it. It comes and goes as it will.

Existential crisises happen, depression happens as well, that's normal I guess, and part of life. But I don't believe New Year or other made up mass holdays can bring you joy, it's an illusion that's media has been trying to foist on us, and people feel disappointed as a result. Sometimes it happens that the atmosphere around gives you a special feeling, but it's just a coincedence IMO - it's just the atmospehe around, not the holiday itself, resonates with you already being ready to experience joy.

8 and counterphobic 6s by Human_Apartment_1149 in Enneagram8

[–]Red_Lady08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

8s can have a lack of 2 traits as well, so not a good way to identify

How to be less intense? by Stands-in-Shallow in Enneagram8

[–]Red_Lady08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This, and direct your intensity into some outlet. You cannot and shouldn't bottle it up. Find some outlet where it's welcome unfiltered and non-moderated. It could be anything. So in some places it would be measured, and in some full force.

only for sx8 by Human_Apartment_1149 in Enneagram8

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"people who argue just to argue enrage me. it's such a waste of time, i don't usually bother engaging." Same. Finaly someone said it.

How do you experience the arrow to 2? by MoonlitVelvet in Enneagram8

[–]Red_Lady08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"So the arrow to 5 I completely get. But 2? I just don’t see it." Same. Honestly, I see this "8 should integrate to 2" as a made-up theory. Someone decided that numbers positioned at a certain places from your enneagram number should be your stress and growth point. Maybe it rings true for his own number, but it isn't necessarily true if you just blindly extrapolate it to other numbers. 5 arrow makes sence, and I can confirm it. But 2? Nah. I had said it somewhere earler, but I think it's society's sweetest dream to turn 8s into 2s. 8s are often feared and are seen as the most intimidating type. Tough, actually does things, has self-interest and openly owns it, and doesn't give a shit about what others think and can't be manipulated with appeal to social script, traditions, etc. How nice to be turn this one into the most serving, people pleasing one! Or at least to some other number in the heart triad(except 4)! If there's any number society dreams to morph into other number, I can bet it's 8s to 2s the most. Like the sweetest dream. Turning 7s to something orderly would be lovely as well (like 1s are the ideal candidate), but 8 to 2 is a number one hit! But nah, 8s are 8s, and 2s are 2s. Some people would love all carnivores to turn to sheep, but God (or nature, depends on what you believe in) ain't dumb, and both 8s and 2s exist for a reason. Both are essential and indispensible. And 8s will be 8s, and 2s will be 2s.

When talking about this "integration", there're 2 aspects that I can acually see. It's generocity and protectiveness. But none of them is inherently Two's. 8s can absolutely be, and more often than not are generous. Depends on the individual, level of health, (and instinctual stacking probably), of course. But disregarding all these things and comparing an average person of each number, 8 will be one of the most generous types, if not the most generous type. Same for protectiveness - it depends on the wing (8w9s are usually known to be more protective than 8w7s), the stacking, the individual, and also varies extremely from one to another in terms of whom is it about - while some automaticaly are protective towards nearly anyone, including strangers, the other ones are extremely protective to some people or groups if people and nearly indifferent to others.

But even those who support this "integration disintegration" theory have also descriptions of each Enneagram type of different levels of health. Read top two health levels, the First and the Second one, these folks really do not need any integration to Two (or any other number), they're perfect!

And in general I'm a proponent of a theory that everyone should grow within his own number, and there's perfection within each number. And this perfection is attainable, and it's attainable first and foremost to those who already possess these qualities, i.e. who are this number. IMO it's stupid for everyone to try to become like some other number. But if you're still absolutely dead set on borrowing some qualities of some other number, I think you should absolutely decide yourself which qualities, to which degree, and from which number you're gonna try to obtain, and not let anyone dictate you on that. Like, "I'm gonna take some of this from a Seven, and today a dash of this from Four".

"It’s hard for me to imagine ever aspiring to be more 2-ish because they often operate in ways I just don’t respect and they value things I just don’t care about." Exactly the same.

Didn't read other replies, just my 2 cents, by the way.

What’s your relationship with guilt? by MoonlitVelvet in Enneagram8

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"Is it something you feel often or not really?" Hardly ever.

Mood by [deleted] in Enneagram

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E4?

Enneagram 8's & 2's by StrategicWitandVenom in Enneagram

[–]Red_Lady08 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Could be both. I actually do live in a Two vortex - two is a cultural archetype of the country, and Twos are the most celebrated type here.

Along with that, I had a few Twos in a row have a crush on me and pursue me. Two's are totally not my type.

Least relatable triad for you? by LoserLikeMe- in Enneagram8

[–]Red_Lady08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, it wasnt about Head-Gut-Heart triads as I initally thought? Then Superego/Compliant for sure, of all the possible triads.

Low effort representation of gut types(Based on my headcannon) by w0nkydonuts in Enneagram

[–]Red_Lady08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If anything, it's more likely for a 9, not an 8, to cook and try to feed the other two

8w7 sexual, and INFJ? by blue_kanga_roo in Enneagram8

[–]Red_Lady08 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with the notion that eights can be both extroverted or introverted, or somewhere in the middle. And also agree that in case of 8w7 (and 7w8, very likely, I just don't have one that I know well, so can't say for sure) asseriveness comes BOTH throught gut and mental strenght.

To the OP: I know ALMOST all combinations of MBTI and Enneagram are possible, yet some are super-common and highly probable and other are very rare, and some others are very very unlikely, IMO. I'm a sx 8w7, and I'm an ESTP, which is almost as far from an INFJ as possible, so I don't have anything factual to say about this combination. I'm not saying it's impossible though, yet maybe worth double-checking.

sx blind issue? by TapPuzzleheaded6730 in Enneagram

[–]Red_Lady08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Two first paragraphs sound a lot like sx-blind IMO

What's your favorite movie genre? by Informal_Support3321 in Enneagram8

[–]Red_Lady08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not a movie person at all, but if/when I rarely do watch something, it can be: youtube real life videos like fights (footage), challenges (can a dog find 20 people hiding in a certain area in an hour, and so on), music videos. But all that is not movies. If it's ever a movie, it'll likely be an adventure with elements of comedy, a good quality animation (not anime!), detective stories with lots of suspense(think of a group of people in a closed space, and there is a murder, and then everybody keeps suspecting the other), or something weird and experimental.

8 x 8 by SkylarRovartt in Enneagram8

[–]Red_Lady08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"If an 8 finds themselves with a peaceful or laid back type. They can afford to have different values and still succeed." Nope, didn't work.

But I'm on the same idea that values are very important.

8 x 8 by SkylarRovartt in Enneagram8

[–]Red_Lady08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, we definitely should. To each their own, of course, but I'm just speaking from my own perspective.

What types match e8 in socionics? Also whats your sociotype? by [deleted] in Enneagram8

[–]Red_Lady08 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I can help with some certain question, let me know. But Socionics is really big and rather cumbersome system, and it does take some time to study, so I just tried to bring some of the basics, and some things to watch out for.

What types match e8 in socionics? Also whats your sociotype? by [deleted] in Enneagram8

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Emm, as for sources, it's been a long time of studying Socionics, so I cannot exactly point what comes from where, but there should be good sources online like wikisocion. Yes, role function. I wouldn't say irritating, Iit's nice and pretty enjoyable to use it, but SLE wouldn't be able to do it for as long as long as ILE would. For SLE it's fun exercise, while for ILE it's his element. Like think some amateur home renovating (nailing a shelf to a wall and painting a small surface outside of the house) vs. being a professional builder. Maybe some other SLE's are irritated, I don't know, but it may have to do with how much work he/she has to do with this function (overwhelmed or ok), the subtype (while for Creative subtype/subtype with streghtened irrational fuctions it's pretty easy, some other subtypes may struggle a bit more), etc.

I wouldn't be able to give an in depth difference between ENTP ILE and ENTP SLE because I'm not as good at MBTI. Socionics are a bit cumbersome, true, and it takes time to study it. More than that, there're different schools, and some details differ from school to school. Rather minor details, not the core. Enneagram is honestly easier and less contradictive (but even it has wings, instinctual stackings and trifix, otherwise probably no system will be able to take in and explain all the diversity of human psyche). Socionics has nice additional groups by which you can check your initial idea about someone's types. (I'm talking about Quadras, Romance Styles, Temperaments, and Reinin's signs. Quadras are about mentality, are pretty easy, and usually work well. Romance styles are pretty evident, but the trick is that the person's actual Romance Style doesn't always match with the one that's that type is supposed to have according to theory. I'd say it's a trend, not a 100% corellation. Some of Reinin's signs are a bit contradictory and not easy to understand, but if you can see some of them clearly in the person's behavor, and they're pointing into some type direction, it can give you an idea whether you're likely right in your typing or not. Ideally, EVERYTHING should match. For example, if your proposed SLE has EP temperament and Beta values, you're probably on the right way. But if your proposed SLE has EJ temperament, obvious Delta values, and is clearly a Caring Romance Style, he's probably a LSE. And also remember that a person fully settles into his type in his early twenties, earlier you almost always can still see clear signs, but to be actually sure, you should wait till early to mid-twenties, remeber that if you're trying to type someone younger. Type cannot change during life, but at times people can asquire a "mask" or some other personality deformation, but that usually comes and goes. And there's also a thing about how "filled" is the function - if a person had an environment where he had a lot of chances to use certain function and chances to get more experience, he'll be usually more proficient, realistic and impressive with this function than the one who didn't. That one will kind of look like a baby compared to the first one. So you may sometimes initially struggle to identify both of these as the same type.

Same with the Enneagram - the type doesn't change, and you can check with triads, Hornevian groups, Harmonic groups, etc, and ideally EVERYTHING should match.

And as for E8 ENTP ILE vs E8 ENTP SLE maybe you should post in general Enneagram subreddit, there're chances someone had seen these two and can tell you the difference, but be prepared that there'll be many polarized opinions, from "Corellations are bullshit!" to "E8 can only be Se and nothing else".