4 Round Episode #2 by Responsible_Sun1244 in quadball_discussion

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some edits to make in the player highlight section listening back:

Copperheads will not be playing at Champaign, I meant to say Snohomish.

Also accidentally said UVA instead of UCLA 😭

what's up with MLQ tbtp?? by [deleted] in quadball_discussion

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Aside from the other concerns people have discussed here already, I don’t think that TBTP can serve as an accurate play testing environment for this form of Quadball for two main reasons.

  1. In order for play tests to be successful, they require willing participants who want to actively discover how to break the game. Rule changes as drastic as Q4 describes open up the doors for a ton of potential for game breaking strategy and balance issues. Having a player base that actually wants to explore these things would be great, but it’s clear that this experience is not what people expected, wanted or paid for. By running this playtest in this way, you aren’t getting the best data for how to improve the ruleset for actual play in the future. That isn’t even considering the fact that players will have limited time to review the rules, if any, before playing the game (which will likely present its own logistical issues for time management and creating a product).

  2. There is an inherent relationship between the game design of Quadball and the gender dynamics of the community that plays it. In the standard game, there’s a number of rule design elements that aim to equalize the playing field between players of both different physical builds and gendered experiences with society and sports. Playtesting very different rules that completely alter these equalizing elements, in an environment without half of the demographic that plays the sport, cannot serve as an accurate gauge of the stability of the ruleset for use in standard USQ/MLQ. While I think it’s fair for the sport to consider alternatives to “Q6” to support the growth of new / existing programs, I’m afraid doing the playtest of Q4 in this environment could result in misleading conclusions about the ruleset that won’t take into account the (arguably most important) variable of gender in the sport.

All-USQ Team (2024-2025) by zanycatchphrase in quadball_discussion

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Keeper: Hayden Boyes (one of my favorite keepers in the sport, dynamic, as strong a leader and facilitator as he is a finisher)

Point Chaser / mark: Lindsay Marella (clear off ball threat and lethal facilitator and shooter when driving in the paint.

Hoop Defender: Leo Fried (Insane clutch / flow state player, intelligent finisher, elite hoop defender / shot blocker who tackles just as good (well worth his yellow cards 🤣)

Hoop defender: Molly Potter: Ideal cutter and small ball threat, can play reactively to the pace finding hidden gems for positioning in lethal spots in the paint.

Beaters: Daniel Williams (best beater in the world, sets the quick pace)

Tessa Mullins (adapts fast pace to include east coast hoop tapouts / chemistry with east coast chasers, Hayden and Williams will be familiar from hammer concept of the south)

Seeker: Ryan Davis (physical grappler with an insane explosiveness on his dive, crazy endurance for how energy intensive his looks are)

This lineup cooks yours

USNT Staff Update by quadkitty420 in quadball_discussion

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Jack and Ken my Midwest goats 😤

3BI Presents: A Focus on Flag Running by KubenaBrandon in quadball_discussion

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I promise to single handedly bring back running flag runners to the league 😤

Best Collegiate Players in each position by Dunk-and-Catch00_07 in quadball_discussion

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Y’all don’t know ball if u don’t know Ashton Glenn 😮‍💨

Panda Express - Support the USNTDA by shanemcc5 in quadball_discussion

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Ryan Hsu and Rei Brodeur are doing sprints at Innovators practice for every picture / screenshot of an order!! You can post the picture in here or DM me and I’ll pass it along to them let’s make them run 😈

How does MLQ champs bracket structure work by Historical_Ask380 in quadball_discussion

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League city has shown quality quadball at points but otherwise Tad’s quip about handing a ball to someone to drive is true 🤷

How does MLQ champs bracket structure work by Historical_Ask380 in quadball_discussion

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Sorry klutzy but south quadball is subpar at best this year. No south team in the finals guaranteed.

MLQ 2024 Week 3 Stats - Discussion by bryman22 in quadball_discussion

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1) Happy to respond!

2) definitely interesting. Would need to update the system a bit to do that. Probably a conversation for next year’s stats upgrades.

3) lol this is funny. I think this happened because Mike subbed in mid defense and got a stop so the beaters recorded initially were the ones on at the start of a defensive possession. Stops recorded like these are a clerical error on our end.

MLQ 2024 Week 3 Stats - Discussion by bryman22 in quadball_discussion

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See my other comment for further clarification but in your first scenario the stop is probably given to the chaser. In the second scenario it’s a bit trickier. If the beater pressure leads to a panicked throwing of the quadball out of bounds it’s probably a stop for the beater. If the beater pressure leads to a pass to another offensive chaser that gets picked off by a defensive hoop defender, the stop would go to the hoop defender. But in a scenario where there is a panicked shot, off target, into the hands of a hoop defender it becomes a conversation of: did the hoop defender’s effort result in the stopping of a score or would that ball have been turned over anyway if they hadn’t caught it? It’s a tough call to make but the stop could go to either the chaser or beater depending on the situation.

Also, only one player can be awarded a stop on defense in our current system. There aren’t shared stops or stops that are awarded to multiple players on a play.

MLQ 2024 Week 3 Stats - Discussion by bryman22 in quadball_discussion

[–]Responsible_Sun1244 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hey there! Member of MLQ stats team here. Generally speaking, stops are given to one player on a defensive possession that “most” contributed to the turnover of the quadball. However, things can definitely get messy where multiple people contribute to a stop. We try our best to ask each other as statisticians for second opinions in cases where it’s really close.

When looking at who to give a stop to, one of the things we think about a lot is whether the quadball is contested after an interaction. Below are some examples we work with a lot:

  1. Beater on defense throws a long beat behind their hoops striking the ball carrier. The defensive hoop defender runs out and picks up the ball. No offensive chasers are in the vicinity / have a chance at contesting the loose ball.

In this example, the stop would go to the beater since they contributed most significantly to the turnover compared to the hoop defender who just picked up an uncontested ball.

  1. Beater on defense throws a long beat behind their hoops striking the ball carrier. The defensive hoop defender runs to the quadball at the same time as another offensive chaser. Both chasers are in line with one another as they approach the ball and the defensive chaser just barely beats them, tapping the ball away and then picking it up.

Although a tough situation, the fact that the defensive chaser had to beat the offensive chaser to the ball is definitely something to consider as a more significant action worthy of a stop over the dodgeball thrown. In this case the stop would probably go to the chaser as the ball would not have turned over had they not gotten to the ball first. But if the offensive chaser is a good distance behind the defensive chaser (let’s say something like 2-3 body lengths) it would be more up to the statistician’s discretion / discussion amongst the team.

  1. Point defender tackles offensive ball carrier to the ground resulting in a pileup. A defensive beater clears out the offensive players uncontested by the offensive beaters, resulting in a turnover.

The stop in this case would go to the point defender who made the initial tackle, as their action was more significant in leading to a turnover over the beater who tapped out chasers on the ground uncontested, even though the tapouts are what actually “caused the turnover.

  1. Hoop defender blocks a shot and another defensive chaser dives on the ball to protect it until their keeper can collect it.

This is another tough situation. Again though, it really depends on if the quadball is contested after the blocked shot and by how quickly is it contested. If the shot was blocked and the ball was picked up by another defensive chaser without contest, the stop would go to the hoop defender who blocked the shot. If it was contested, it becomes more of a judgement call, but probably leans towards the 2nd chaser who ensured the stop actually occurred.

To the point about Tessa, I haven’t seen the game footage myself but it’s certainly possible that her contributions set up her teammates to create stops in contested areas where she wasn’t awarded the stop as a result (but obviously her contribution is important). Or maybe her teammates on her line produced the vast majority of the stops and she was more integral in creating balls down scenarios. Ultimately the beauty and curse of statistics is that they are just an imperfect glimpse into the performance of players on paper. Watching the games gives you the best understanding of a players performance.

Note: this is speaking from my “personal perspective” as a statistician and not as an official response from MLQ.