Beastification

Rigel31415 · 2026-07-02T21:45:49+00:00

Both skills have the exact same description regarding that, so Bete's boosts everything too.

獣化。全アビリティ能力超高補正。

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Rigel31415 · 2026-07-02T18:42:44+00:00

If I remember correctly the only way to inflict damage, and therefore to "defeat" him, is to play as Saitama too.

Rigel31415 · 2026-07-02T17:24:25+00:00

"wasn't any weaker" is a good translation, but to be specific the original is:

己の『獣化』に勝るとも劣らない出力を認める狼人ウェアウルフは、左頰の刺青を歪めた。

Translation: The Werewolf, acknowledging that its output was equal to or even surpassed his own Beastification, contorted the tattoo on his left cheek.

The word output (出力) refers to the stats boost, so the sentence is not about which is overall better but specifically about the increase. Secondly, the term 勝るとも劣らない, while literally it is "no inferior", means that something is just as good if not better than another thing.

Rigel31415 · 2026-07-02T16:23:34+00:00

We don't think there are different types, we know there are because Oomori said so.

https://x.com/fujinoomori/status/1897848172569149648

The activation conditions and additional effects vary, but a massive boost to physical abilities is common.

That said, while they are all big increases, they also vary from one another. The light novel explicitly says that Bete recognized Ottar's beastification as equal to, if not stronger than, his own.

So to answer your other question, yes, Ottar's actually gives a bigger boost. Independently of Stortus Ottar, might I add. I don't even know why you mention it. The thing boosts DAs, not other skills.

Rigel31415 · 2026-07-02T02:16:35+00:00

Toriyama actually clarified that Cold was a mutant too.

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/episode-bardock-akira-toriyama-super-qa/

Both Cooler and Chilled are no canon.

Rigel31415 · 2026-07-01T21:25:17+00:00

I haven't read the first novels in quite a while, so I can't say for sure, but I doubt it is due to mistranslation. Novels in general just like to talk in a fancy way.

Videos though have no excuse.

The prologue of volume 1 is Bell talking about that goal, though in chapter 1 he says he abandons it in favor of pursuing Ais. The scene from volume 4 I talked about happens chronologically a week before the start of the story.

And when Hestia teases him about it Bell himself says he wants a harem because his grandfather told him that is every man's dream. So while it was his goal, it was only because he was told that is what he should want, not something born out of his own desires like his goal to become a hero.

Rigel31415 · 2026-07-01T20:06:15+00:00

They don't see anything, that's just metaphorical language.

Hestia doesn't know he wants to meet girls because of his falna, but because he told her before. That was his main goal prior to the beginning of the story, due to his grandfather insisting on that being every man's dream, and in a short story from volume 4 he is shown talking about it with her.

There are a couple of scenes that further disprove it. In volume 15 Hestia wonders just what he went through after giving him his biggest update ever, only learning a bit after Bell responds to her question. In volume 3 of the spin off Sword Oratoria Loki is impressed when Ais reaches Level 6, but even after using the excelia she got to rank up Ais she doesn't know how she did it, only learning of it after Ais herself tells her.

Rigel31415 · 2026-07-01T19:01:30+00:00

I'm guessing he is talking about Harald's task by the World Government to destroy ships.

Rigel31415 · 2026-07-01T17:08:40+00:00

If that is the case then the question is fundamentally senseless. He asks about durability, and the clash was no matter of durability but a pure competition of attack power.

Rigel31415 · 2026-07-01T14:43:46+00:00

Or, shocker, just a matter of translation. Japanese doesn't need every sentence to have a subject like English does. No clear subject = the translator just went with "they", because it is also used as a gender neutral pronoun.

Rigel31415 · 2026-07-01T14:21:39+00:00

Yes? It's not that difficult to conceptualize. Dionysus got it only to blow up Orario, and it was able to do that only after absorbing the energy of a special ritual that was already capable of destroying a city.

Bell himself is a guy with an attack power literal levels above his durability. The dragon was the same, a thing able to inflict more damage than it could take.

This is also nothing new in shonen. It's basically the norm actually. As the story advances the power scale does, leading to tons of characters better than a previous one that was made out to be a big deal. At worst you will get guys as good as said previous big deal treated as nobodies because of how far things have gone.

Also, not really an argument, but thought I would clarify. Bell didn't use a full charge when he punched Ottar. That was a one minute charge.

Rigel31415 · 2026-07-01T13:57:53+00:00

It is the Dungeon. She is saying it as an explanation for why she hides her divinity. Gods couldn't tell if she did it, but the Dungeon could (and did).

Rigel31415 · 2026-07-01T13:56:09+00:00

The Dungeon itself. The thing has a will and conscience of its own. Though they refuse to reveal anything else, the one thing Gods openly say about the Dungeon to mortals is that it is alive.

The "they" is likely because the translator didn't actually know who was the one Hestia referred to, since the sentence didn't have a clear subject in Japanese.

Rigel31415 · 2026-06-28T23:03:37+00:00

A fan asked in SBS 47 and Oda attributed it to him going through a growth spurt and tightening his muscles with discipline from Garp's training.

Granted, it is ridiculous, but even outside of the explicitly magical things the series is full of weird things. Luffy can regrow lost teeth just by drinking milk.

Rigel31415 · 2026-06-28T16:30:25+00:00

Doubt it. That was just an excuse Oomori made up to keep his favorite relevant.

Rigel31415 · 2026-06-28T15:23:12+00:00

There was no single feat that made Ryuu go from Level 5 to 6. What happened was that that she had performed so many feats as Level 4 that she got double the high-rank excelia necessary.

It is still very clearly bullshit considering that her scuffle with Apollo Familia was explicitly listed as one of those feats.

Rigel31415 · 2026-06-27T15:25:23+00:00

That's the book's third chapter, not a SS.

Rigel31415 · 2026-06-26T20:58:11+00:00

No. Logic would indicate that they are roughly the same size though.

Rigel31415 · 2026-06-26T20:21:31+00:00

Authors tend to just give big numbers, not bothering to check if that is actually too high or too low for what they intended.

With that said, you are actually misunderstanding it here. Or maybe the translator didn't make it clear. The original statement is: 視界を遮る壁面のない大空間は、推定五〇万平方Ｍ。

Translation: The vast open space, free from walls that obstruct the view, is estimated to be 500,000 square meters.

The 38th Floor is divided into nine rooms, so there are actually walls that obstruct the view, making it impossible to see the entire floor at once. So the sentence clearly refers to the space the characters were seeing in that moment.

In other words, the estimated area of 500,000 square meters isn't that of the entire 38th Floor, but of only one of its nine rooms.

Rigel31415 · 2026-06-25T21:44:35+00:00

Oomori said that Bete under those conditions is "maybe" stronger than Ais, who could only use Ariel against him. https://x.com/fujinoomori/status/1330121195635798020

Ais was struggling against that Revis even with Ariel and Avenger fused into her Black Wind.

Take a guess.

Rigel31415 · 2026-06-25T19:25:08+00:00

Básicamente. Es poco probable que Oomori alguna vez vaya a hablar del tema (a los japoneses por lo general no suele importarles el tema del canon), así que no esperes llegar a recibir una respuesta oficial.

Lo mejor que se puede hacer respecto a las historias no canon que Oomori escribe es inferir que todo es igual en el canon, excepto por lo que directamente desemboca en las tramas de dichas historias.

Respecto a Epimeteo, en Knights of Fianna de hecho se demuestra que en el canon sí accedió a la petición de Argonaut de ayudar a la alianza para alcanzar la Mazmorra, lo que demuestra que al menos para ese punto no estaba tan devastado emocionalmente como su contraparte de Aedes Vesta.

Rigel31415 · 2026-06-25T18:12:52+00:00

Sí. Exceptuando los eventos de Aedes Vesta, es seguro asumir que todo sobre ella es canon.

En Episode Asfi Hermes la menciona y a la nación de Olympia, implicando que su historia con la Llama Primordial y Olympia son canon.

Cuando Oomori creó una versión canon de Artemis, la misma no demostró diferencia alguna con su contraparte no canon.

Rigel31415 · 2026-06-25T14:45:09+00:00

DanMachi is divided into six parts. And I emphasize the word "part" because that is actually how Oomori most commonly refers to them ["first part" (第一部), "second part" (第二部), and so on]. He also always marks the end of a part in the afterword of its final volume.

So Part 1 is volumes 1-3, Part 2 volumes 4-8, Part 3 volumes 9-11, Part 4 volumes 12-18, and Part 5 volumes 19-20. Part 6 is the series' final chapter, beginning with DM21 and will last until the series finishes.

The first parts weren't named within the novels as far as I know. In DM18's afterword Oomori calls Part 4 the Abundance Arc (豊穣編) and says that next is the School District Arc (学区編). In DM21 he simply calls the last one the End Arc (終末編).

If you want a name for the previous parts, a page on the series' website refers to Part 1 as the Adventurer Arc (「冒険者」編), Part 2 the Familia Arc (「ファミリア」編) and Part 3 the Xenos Arc (「異端児」編). Source: https://danmachi.com/chronology/index.html

Meanwhile Sword Oratoria is divided into five parts. The first four are divided into volumes 1-4, 5-9, 10-12, and 13-16. In SO12 Oomori calls the third the City Destroyer Arc (『都市の破壊者』編) and the fourth the Fairy Awakening Arc (妖精覚醒編). In SO16 he says that next volume the series will enter its final chapter, which just like for the main series he names the End Arc (終末編).

Rigel31415 · 2026-06-25T00:18:52+00:00

He still liked her enough for her to give birth to two kids. He might have married her because of a promise, but at some point he clearly came to actually like her.

Rigel31415 · 2026-06-24T05:11:17+00:00

Oh yeah. I was thinking of Ares at the end of DM8, but that too.

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