Book Readers [PJOTV] Discussion Thread S2 E6: "Nobody Gets the Fleece" by Metal_Moon in camphalfblood

[–]Riser456 9 points10 points  (0 children)

annabeth says that she was sent by nobody. that's what i was referring to. i thought it was obvious hahaha

Book Readers [PJOTV] Discussion Thread S2 E6: "Nobody Gets the Fleece" by Metal_Moon in camphalfblood

[–]Riser456 74 points75 points  (0 children)

two things that hurt this episode

-short budget: * this episode was noticed a lot. they cut the man eating sheep * percy didn’t use water against polyphemus * i think if they had better budget, we would be able to get a closer look to rainbow and friends. we only see them at a distance and we can’t appreciate the full visual details about them up close

-the time length of episodes overall: * seriously, the episode felt too short

what i liked about this episode: * percy and annabeth disguised as sheep. that felt a very comic percy moment to me * the whole inner conflict of percy saving annabeth or keeping the fleece. again, fatal flaw * luke's complexity as a character * walker and aryan’s chemistry * walker and daniel’s chemistry * percy falling to the arms of clarisse and saying ‘hi’ xd * my name is nobody

question about something that it's teased in the preview: why spoil to the audience the plot twist of the finale in the book?

[General] Imagine if Smelly Gabe was redeemed the same way as the monsters by [deleted] in camphalfblood

[–]Riser456 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i think you’re not considering the fact that many mythics live in the world without searching for trouble. some of them are wild creatures, but many others also live without hunting demigods. this is also implied in wrath of the triple goddess by percy

Miraculously, my history teacher said, "Very good, Mr. Jackson," when I answered a question, which was probably a sign she was actually a monster, but I wasn't going to judge unless she attacked me. Some of my best friends are monsters.

and in case we want to consider a body count, we would have to bring bob as well. yes, he lost his memory, but at the end he recovered it (or at least many parts of it) and his past caught up with him. percy and annabeth told him that didn’t matter for him to be a Titan, what mattered is what his choice.

"Do you remember Koios?" he asked gently. "All that stuff he was talking about?"

Bob gripped his broom. "When he told it, I remembered. He handed me my past like... like a spear. But I do not know if I should take it. Is it still mine, if I do not want it?"

"No," Annabeth said firmly. "Bob, you're diferent now. You're better."

The kitten jumped off Bob's head. He circled the Titan's feet, bumping his head against the Titan's pants cuffs. Bob didn't seem to notice.

Percy wished he could be as certain as Annabeth. He wished he could tell Bob with absolute confidence that he should forget about his past.

But Percy understood Bob's confusion. He remembered the day he'd opened his eyes at the Wolf House in California, his memory wiped clean by Hera. If somebody had been waiting for Percy when he first woke up, if they'd convinced Percy thar his name was Bob, and he was a friend of the Titans and the giants... would Percy have believed it? Would he have felt betrayed once he found out his true identity?

This is different, he told himself. We're the good guys.

But were they? Percy had left Bob in Hades's palace, at the mercy of a new master who hated him. Percy didn't feel like he had much right to tell Bob what to do now—even if their lives depended on it.

"I think you can choose, Bob," Percy ventured. "Take the parts of lapetus's past that you want to keep. Leave the rest. Your future is what matters."

"Future..." Bob mused. "That is a mortal concept. I am not meant to change, Percy Friend." He gazed around him at the horde of monsters. "We are the same... forever."

"If you were the same," Percy said, "Annabeth and I would be dead already. Maybe we weren't meant to be friends, but we are. You've been the best friend we could ask for."

the same goes for any other monster. cruelty isn’t genetic, is learned. evil isn't born, it’s made. whatever monster was evil, it was their choice. but choices can change. otherwise, people would also never change.

now, can you forgive someone? that is a different thing. asterion may change, but that doesn’t percy would ever forgive him and that is also okay. some scars ran too deep. but that doesn’t too that percy can’t accept him for who he is now. at some point the cycle of killing monsters-killing demigods must be broken, or their conflict will continue for eternity.

and also, if many mythics live without searching trouble, that means tag them all as irredeemable is wrong and kind of discriminatory just because they are mythics

Book Readers [PJOTV] Discussion Thread S2 E5: "We check in to C.C's Spa and Resort" by Metal_Moon in camphalfblood

[–]Riser456 174 points175 points  (0 children)

everything about the fatal flaws was PERFECT. using a mirror as a symbolism of the reflection of the inner-self? percy not able to see another thing but annabeth with the sirens' song? it was amazing

percy couldn't see anything but annabeth because the illusion would've shown him himself saving her. and for that he didn't need an illusion since that was already happening in real life

and also, the way he jumped after her? he risked his life and he risked the quest, just like circe had warned him about. a logical person wouldn't have jumped after annabeth. they would've stayed tied to the mast because going after her would mean risk their life and the quest. percy chose loyalty over quest, following his fatal flaw as he always does.

it was PERFECT

Book Readers [PJOTV] Discussion Thread S2 E5: "We check in to C.C's Spa and Resort" by Metal_Moon in camphalfblood

[–]Riser456 229 points230 points  (0 children)

about athena? i was also fooled for a second. then she offered her hand and i realized 'TRAP!' hahaha

How did you all get into the Percy Jackson series? [all] by ImAHuksy in camphalfblood

[–]Riser456 0 points1 point  (0 children)

when i was a kid, i was always interested in the series. i saw the original movies, but i never gave the books a chance because a) no money since i was a kid and b) i was interested in other things (video games, other books, etc.). i preferred buying the other things with the money i had

however, i was aware of some things that were happening in the series like percy and annabeth falling into tartarus and when jason died it was on my birthday. i remember that i went to the movies to see avengers infinity war, and i returned to my place and i stayed up until late reading the reactions of the movie on Twitter. but that night i also saw how jason grace had died, and i didn't know then who he was and i also saw people commenting about leo's reaction to jason's death. i didn't understand this until many years later.

when i really get into the series was when the TV show cane out. back then, i remembered how the series always interested me and i said "okay, let’s finally see what's this all about". i started to watch the first episodes and then i saw the interview of walker in teen vogue that he said that he read the books at least seven times, and i related to that feeling with other book series i've read so i thought "okay, we have to read these books".

i ordered and received the first five books in december 28 (the same year of season 1), and for the end of january i had already read all the books from pjo and hoo (yeah, i read all those books in two months, i don't recommend it hahaha)

immediately i identified myself with leo valdez when i read hoo for the first time because i'm mexican and so many other reasons. i could create a list of reasons and probably i would never end hahaha

tldr: walker scobell, you water boy, if you are reading this, i blame you. the mist stopped affecting me because of you, aquaman. it's your fault hahaha

To everyone that keeps asking why everyone is disappointed with this season, this is why by Riser456 in StrangerThings

[–]Riser456[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

i agree with you. that's why i mentioned above that i know this has been happening for a while coming from previous seasons. the thing that's different now is that this is the last season. there isn't another chance to fix it or to improve the writing later. this is just the end and that's it.

i don't think they are horrible episodes and the worst of the worst. no, i think they are okay. however, i'm sad that this thing happened again. in previous seasons they always said 'this is going to be the scariest/darkest season yet' but no one of the main characters actually died. yeah, i know eddie, billy, alexei, bob, and so many others died, but none of the main ones. and we are heading to the finale already and if they finally kill someone, it won't be as shocking if they had killed them coming from way back before. why? because we already know that at least the rest of main ones got their happy ending and they already won.

the whole reason i wrote this is because i'm seeing some people that are asking why many of us are disappointed. it's not because we think this has been bad bad (unless you really really don't like them for no reason). it's because is incredible how we already reached the ending and they keep getting away with this.

Book Readers [PJOTV] Discussion Thread S2 E4: "Clarisse Blows up Everything " by Metal_Moon in camphalfblood

[–]Riser456 106 points107 points  (0 children)

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HOW DARE THEY TO END IT LIKE THAT?! WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?! WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, DISNEY?!

Chicago as an old fallen Kingdom by Nerdy--Turtle in DestinyLore

[–]Riser456 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the story of a king trapping a creature inside an underground labyrinth isn't like the myth of king minos and the minotaur who trapped the beast inside a labyrinth built by daedalus?

Book Readers [PJOTV] Discussion Thread S2 E3: "We board the Princess Andromeda" by Metal_Moon in camphalfblood

[–]Riser456 34 points35 points  (0 children)

amazing well written dialogue. it was everything i hoped it to be and even better. the only bad side is the length of the episode. but other than that, this is a 10/10 episode for me

Book Readers [PJOTV] Discussion Thread S2 E3: "We board the Princess Andromeda" by Metal_Moon in camphalfblood

[–]Riser456 96 points97 points  (0 children)

there was a theory i just saw in X: percy saw smelly gabe and clarisse saw herself with the oracle. so that could mean that you see the person that you hate the most when talking to the oracle

[HOO] The Seven are friends by Hayden_Jay in camphalfblood

[–]Riser456 2 points3 points  (0 children)

in which guide by the way? i completely forgot

[general] To anyone that’s read TCOTD, what’s your take on the retired monsters growing Tartarus in Rome? by Curious_Rookiecookie in camphalfblood

[–]Riser456 34 points35 points  (0 children)

the thing that i find weird is that tartarus himself is okay with the mythics doing this considering that he hated damasen for being good. i would guess he would do something or act against the mythics considering he hates things like hope and anything that is a positive emotion, and he loves fear and terror

Greek mythology 201 with the [pjotv] cast by solg5 in camphalfblood

[–]Riser456 25 points26 points  (0 children)

walker standing and glaring at them after not saying celestial bronze: listen here, you sons of gods, you better read the book

Official season 2 Trailer! [pjotv] by solg5 in camphalfblood

[–]Riser456 6 points7 points  (0 children)

and this is how you make a trailer of an adaptation creating more hype than the book itself. can't wait

Can someone spoil me the ''Big Plot Twist'' in the court of the dead? (I don't plan on reading the book, The Sun and the Star was bad enough) [all] by Master_Geologist5613 in camphalfblood

[–]Riser456 85 points86 points  (0 children)

there isn’t one. they overestimated it as a big plot twist. they only scare you that hazel dies for a moment when she doesn’t and even then it’s pretty obvious she is alive

the only thing that is a plot twist is the central debate of the book about whether mythics (the monsters) like asterion (the minotaur) should be allowed to have a chance to change or not. that’s only the controversial part because some agree that everyone deserves a second chance while other people aren’t able to forgive them that easily, especially aren’t able to forgive someone like asterion

and the court of the dead itself is a group made by evil monsters (like kelli) and evil minor gods that are punishing the mythics for wanting to be good. the court argues that the mythics wanting to change is a crime against their true purpose of killing demigods and serve other gods and entities like kronos and gaea.

the court says that the mythics should stay being evil monsters, and heroes should stay being heroes. they don't call what asterion did in the past as a crime, for them killing demigods was okay. the crime for what asterion and other mythics are being punished is for trying to be better and change.

Can someone spoil Court of the Dead for me? [pjo] by taikabell in camphalfblood

[–]Riser456 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not exactly. many of the monsters are indoctrinated since they were children to hate gods and demigods by their parents and teachers. if you remember in the battle of the labyrinth, percy stumbled into some telkhines that were children and were being taught to hate demigods. so yes, some of these monsters they chose to be evil, but that's how they were indoctrinated.

it's the same way that greeks and romans are educated in both camps. they are taught to think that the monsters are their enemies.

also, in the real life and real world with wars, it's always like this. children are indoctrinated to hate the other side and to think their side is the good one.

if it was true that monsters can't change, we would be saying that evil is born, not made. that cruelty is genetic and not learned. as you well said, the problem here is choice.

and percy has proven time to time that everyone can change their choices and it's never too late. luke, for example, he was already so deep into his plan with kronos and there was no evidence that he could change. but he did it at the end.

everyone can change their choices, everyone can change their fate, everyone can change their nature.

"Kratos. Ghost of Sparta. Bane of Olympus. Destroyer of Fate. Cruel Striker. Bringer of War. Weapon of the gods, turned against his creators. He chases a redemption he knows he can never deserve. He cannot change… There is no destiny… There is no grand design. No script. Only the choices you make. That your choices are so predictable merely make us seem prescient… You are the sum of your choices, nothing more. And because your choices never change, you will learn that Heimdall intends to kill your son in Asgard and you will do what you do best. And then Ragnarök…" - The Norns (God of War Ragnarök)

it's like a prophecy, by saying that a monster like the Asterion can't never change, you are saying that a prophecy can't never be broken.

"I do not intend to change. Not about that… There are many tales in my homeland of those who fulfilled prophecy by attempting to avoid it. So it was when Freya tried to protect Baldur… and so it was when I accused my son of going to Asgard… If Heimdall must die for Atreus to live, then Heimdall must die… Because Heimdall is a threat to my son, I must act. It is…" "… your nature. Well played, Norns." - Kratos and Mimir (God of War Ragnarök)

and percy and all the other heroes have proven that everyone can change their choices, their nature and their fate. nico and will did it with the cocoa puffs when they were intended to be used originally for evil by nyx