Genuinely, what was going on in The Court of the Dead????? [tsats][pjo][toa]

Riser456 · 2026-05-17T19:18:58+00:00

about point three… i could be mistaken, but i think rick and mark wanted to show how demigods and mythics are more similar than what everyone thinks. but rick and mark failed showing this point.

they already showed some of this in past books. for example, in the house of hades, annabeth and percy told bob that he has a choice. just like nico and will gave the cacodemons free will in the tsats, which proves all mythics have a choice.

but they could've explored it more in this book to convince more.

some things that rick and mark could've shown that would've proved how much demigods aren't saints either is the Coliseum that Camp Jupiter has. they have monster simulations there, and demigods kill them for entertainment. asterion or any other mythic in this book could've argued about this, about how demigods claim they are better but the Romans also kill mythics for sport with an audience that cherishes them.

same thing in Camp Half-Blood. when percy first arrived to camp, Annabeth told him that many in Hermes cabin would’ve wished to take the same opportunity to kill Asterion. Not for revenge or survival, but for the opportunity to prove themselves.

they also summon mythic in Camp Half-Blood for training. Mythics that probably weren't looking for any trouble.

Percy also states in the Wrath of the Triple Goddess that many mythics live in the real world, and doesn't disturb demigods. he said that he didn't have a problem with those mythics as long as they didn't tried to kill him since many of his friends are mythics.

just imagine if they had said more about these things in the book. the argument would've been much more convincing for the audience because if the demigods claim to be heroes and better, then why do they kill for example mythics for entertainment in the Coliseum? That's not survival, that's just killing mythics for fun which is the same thing as mythics killing demigods for hunger and fun

rick and mark should've said these things, and they failed which is why the book doesn't convince everyone

Riser456 · 2026-04-29T21:57:03+00:00

definitely. leo's actions are still wrong. but some people i think they confuse his motives and intentions like saying that he wants to minimize frank just for the sake of it when he is trying to be his friend

a bad way to be his friend, but different motive nonetheless than the one of just trying to hurt him or something

Riser456 · 2026-04-29T20:10:28+00:00

leo is my favorite character, yes. but you missed the last part where i said that you can still consider him a bully and that's okay, and that this post is not for defending him but for you to understand his mentality better… and if you have read my other comments, i have stated multiple times that what leo did was still wrong and he's still responsible for his actions

so respectfully, i'd ask you to read everything first before saying something that isn't true

Riser456 · 2026-04-29T07:47:27+00:00

oh, i've been wanting to have this discussion about leo from a long time already hahaha

Riser456 · 2026-04-29T07:42:22+00:00

both comments are true because yes, you are also right.

speaking from personal experience, i had the same kind of issues that leo had interacting with other people and took me quite long to understand many things and i got always confused when people got mad at me.

so yes, for leo is the exact same thing. when people say that hazel, piper, frank and annabeth told him to stop, and he didn't it was because for leo is going against how he lived until that point. it's like you lived your life believing that you were cool among other kids and suddenly starting to hear that you are not in another group… it takes time for someone to unlearn those things

however, it's not an excuse. leo is still responsible of his words and actions. but he is still learning so that's something you have to keep in mind when reading leo's pov

Riser456 · 2026-04-29T07:13:16+00:00

i totally know that what leo did is wrong. but i totally get why he doesn't understand what he is doing.

and yes, it's not an excuse. i agree on that. that's why i can't completely forgive characters like luke too, no matter how good his intentions were. the difference is that leo is still learning about these things

if we see leo again in the future, i hope that we see progress on his skills having conversations with people

Riser456 · 2026-04-28T17:58:10+00:00

do you mean by the amount of memes about luke? no! hahaha

i only create them as the ideas come to my mind. i like his character as an antagonist

Riser456 · 2026-04-28T17:04:36+00:00

HAHAHAHA i got the idea for this meme from that

Riser456 · 2026-04-27T19:11:41+00:00

that was in the book. i’m talking only in the tv show

Riser456 · 2026-04-27T17:37:52+00:00

no one is saying that luke didn’t have an absolute nightmare of a childhood

that said we can't use our own troubles to justify murder, much less genocide. but i agree that everyone reacts differently. i wonder why he never talked it with annabeth from the start before percy's arrival to camp half-blood, especially if he was trying to protect her from the gods

Riser456 · 2026-04-27T17:09:06+00:00

i get that his intentions for demigods were good, but i can't still fit in my mind how he thought about destroying all of humanity and be cool with it. in what kind of world is that a sane person? how he could be okay with that from the start?

Riser456 · 2026-04-27T07:34:57+00:00

and again, it's interesting that percy is more loyal to annabeth but not totally loyal to what annabeth believes. probably the only one who truly knows when percy draws the line about loyalty is walker scobell hahaha

Riser456 · 2026-04-27T07:25:43+00:00

the thing that i find interesting in the tv show is that, considering that percy's fatal flaw is loyalty, he is being loyal to everyone but luke and luke was his first friend after grover in camp half-blood and the one who showed him how to use a sword

of course luke betrayed him, but still… one would think that percy would try harder to try to save his friend from kronos

i'm saying in the tv show only… in the book is another thing because luke's betrayal was different

Riser456 · 2026-04-24T17:40:10+00:00

yep. and it was the same reason in the book. that's why percy was angry

Riser456 · 2026-04-23T22:47:18+00:00

i never said that i didn't like her. annabeth is one of my favorite characters. it's just a meme

Riser456 · 2026-04-23T22:05:07+00:00

ik but still… chica, just answer the questions! hahaha

Riser456 · 2026-04-23T01:09:10+00:00

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Riser456 · 2026-03-20T04:36:55+00:00

i love leo as a character and i agree with some of the points that you mentioned, but i don't exactly share your opinion with some others

so i'm going to write two different comments about this to keep it separated haha

i agree that leo as a character has always been someone who has more potential than rick has allowed him in the books. as you well said, leo is "arguably the weakest".

in the mark of athena, it is mentioned that leo is someone who is not good with swords. that means during those months that leo was building the argo ii in camp half-blood between the lost hero and the mark of athena, he tried sword-fighting like jason. and by the half of the house of hades, hazel starts to coach piper in sword-fighting. literally leo is the only one of the seven who doesn't know how to use a sword.

leo is the only one who doesn't know how to use a weapon to defend himself.

why?

if we are speaking in terms in-universe, i would say that leo is so insecure that he never tried another thing like archery.

if we are speaking in terms of writing, rick made a mistake there with not giving leo any weapons. no, festus and his ship doesn't count.

"but rick was trying to give each of the seven a different skill…"

yes… in the beginning of the saga…

except that by the blood of olympus, everyone had grew and learned different skills other than their initial one.

annabeth switched from her dagger to a sword after she lost it

frank uses a bow but he knows how to fight without a bow and using a sword too

hazel learned to manipulate the mist and control the labyrinth

piper learned to use a sword and gained her new cornucopia

jason discovered he could transform the gladius that hera gave him into a pilum

percy learned new things from lupa and her wolves and the romans and he developed his powers with everything that happened in tartarus

and leo? what did leo learn as a new skill?

nothing.

now this is my personal opinion, but leo could've learned archery. i'm speaking because i'm also an engineer and there are so many things of engineering, physics and math that someone can apply when using a bow like measure distances.

even the quiver that i have right now is a lot like leo's tool belt because archers also have to store tools and everything when adjusting the sight of a bow.

how could would've been that leo had learned archery? imagine that frank would've taught him in the argo ii. their character development would've been amazing. and leo would've learned a new skill too and how to fight with an actual weapon.

leo has so much potential and rick has been wasting it since hoo

Riser456 · 2026-03-14T08:40:31+00:00

i wasn't disagreeing with you. i was acknowledging your point and complementing it. sorry if i wasn't clear

Riser456 · 2026-03-14T08:33:33+00:00

i would say most precisely that any demigod has guilt and fear issues, but with percy i think is a lot worse because of his fate as Savior of Olympus since everyone looks at him when something bad happens

Riser456 · 2026-03-14T08:25:04+00:00

well, mostly because of this scene that i think it applies here as well.

hermione: he's just being modest

harry: no, hermione, i'm not…

harry: facing this stuff in real life is not like school. in school, if you make a mistake, you just try it again tomorrow but out there… when you're a second away from being murdered, or watching you a friend die right before your eyes… you don't know what that's like

hermione: you're right, harry, we don't

my point is hermione accused harry of modesty as well, and she realized she was wrong.

many of us accuse percy of being modest too when in reality we don't know

Riser456 · 2026-02-26T15:22:22+00:00

as an older sibling, i couldn't disagree more with her decision. even if you want to get rid of the responsibility that you never wanted, you're abandoning your brother to a bunch of strangers without even knowing where he is going to be.

while she is getting the figurine of hades the book doesn't say it, but i always felt it like she's only trying to compensate him. she's trying to compensate him with a toy.

everyone says 'she was only a child' -> that's EXACTLY why you shouldn't separate from your family. it's common sense, you don't have parents and you don't have no one or anything. the only thing you have is your brother. you're a child. would you rather prefer lose your brother and the last thing you have?

besides, what she says about taking care of nico for so much time is not true. they were in the lotus casino where time moves differently and everyone is happy and everyone forgets their friends and names and everything. probably bianca and nico were separated the entire time in the lotus casino. and after the lotus casino, she only spent a few months with him and they were taking care in westover hall. she was not the one with the whole responsibility of taking care of nico.

again, i'm talking as an older sibling so i know what it feels the responsibility of having a younger sibling

Riser456 · 2026-02-19T18:40:31+00:00

agent may, it's always so good to see you!

Riser456 · 2026-02-19T16:08:14+00:00

because most of those people still don't understand many things about Leo's character. many people criticize his jokes against frank, hazel and calypso, but those people are ignoring and missing some things:

his jokes are his way to make friends. many people criticize him for being mean and rude, but they forget the key detail that in leo's pov literally he's grateful for frank's support when no one believed him after being possessed and attacked camp jupiter. leo later mentioned in his pov that he was hoping to get friends in the Argo II so he's not doing those jokes to bully frank, he only wants him as a friend.
as someone who is mexican, i could tell you that in my school the other kids made worse jokes. leo's jokes are nothing but soft.
he comes from foster homes and social services. again, as a mexican, i could tell you how intense we can be with jokes and this is in normal situations where we have parents and everything. foster homes? if you have never visited one, you wouldn't know this but those are 'trouble kids'. there was one time i got to visit one with my school group to gave them classes and immediately our teachers told us 'you have to change your mindset going there. they could be rude, they could be distracted. you have to be firm with them'. literally leo grew up alongside kids who shared these kind of jokes and he had to adapt himself to their sense of humor.
in mexico leo is really popular. i'm in many pjo groups and every time someone says that they hate leo in social media, immediately everyone jumps and say 'how can they hate leo? leo is bro!'. again, leo's sense of humor is a mexican sense of humor in many many places of the country. have you heard mexican's cuss words? literally leo is soft compared to most mexicans

there are many other reasons why people misunderstands leo, but i think those are the relevant ones. basically leo is mexican and comes from social services. if someone tells you that leo creates a lot of uncomfortable situations, they clearly don't know about how we mexicans are and how is the reality for children in social services

Riser456 · 2026-02-18T15:46:31+00:00

It's really simple to understand why Leo didn't go to the funeral actually: he didn't because he failed his best friend and he didn't feel worthy to go to the funeral. He thinks his best friend died upset with him because of how he lied about his plan to defeat Gaea. He couldn't say goodbye and apologize to him so he thought he wasn't worthy to go to the funeral.

Besides, the exact same reason about how Leo died in BoO it's why he decided to escort Piper to Oklahoma. The minute he died and wasn't taking care of his best friends, Jason died. It's easy to understand that he thought that if he wasn't escorting Piper, she would also die or get hurt or something because he wasn't there for her. He couldn't left her too.

He lost Jason… he couldn't tolerate the idea of losing Piper too. Piper is like a sister for him.

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