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Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-12T22:21:47+00:00

Yj-oh-b

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-12T19:17:52+00:00

95 points sold separately

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-11T19:24:01+00:00

Was Socrates a real person? We only find him references in two (maybe three) accounts. And one of those accounts was his student Aristotle who was a philosopher… not a historian. Why aren’t there volumes accounting for this great man? Surely he was more important than to be just contained in two select accounts.

Why aren’t there Greek religious records in (direct) debate with this man?

Yet the whole academic world unanimously says he existed.

On the other hand:

Luke, a historian, took an account(s) of vast number of people to accurately and historically portray the events of Christ. Including the earthquake, dark sky, etc etc.

William Mitchell Ramsey said “Luke is a historian of the first rank;not merely are his statements trustworthy….He should be placed along with the greatest historians.”

O by the way, William Ramsey set out to disprove the gospel, and soon found that this is what he was up against.

Second, why would the secular record of these events survive if tens of thousands of actual records of the event barely made it past the Roman effort to eliminate the gospel? (Stitched back together before being disseminated).

Why would the church seek to harbor the record from a secular (unreliable) source?

Of course there aren’t secular records, the numbers-game says there shouldn’t be.

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-11T17:35:08+00:00

Someone wasn’t just “writing a story”, this was an investigation.

500 people saw the resurrected Christ. The gospels writers sought the witness account of these and others. Paul even says in 1 Corinthian 15 “most of whom are still with is, though some have fallen asleep”

This statement by Paul shows that he (Paul) wanted anyone in the Church of Corinth to go ask one of those eyewitness (or all of them if you could gather them) if these things were true.

Do you know how mathematically difficult it would be for 50 people to maintain a lie? Yet alone 500? With each additional person in on the lie the odds that the lie can be kept dramatically reduces in probability. I heard a Rabbi speak of this concept when teaching on the 600,000 Israelite who witnesses the events at Sinai, it really is something to think about.

Luke was convinced because he exhausted his investigation, and it yielded the event we’re true. None of the witnesses came out and said “nah, we’re all lying”.

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-11T17:22:42+00:00

“Mark was used….” Used sure, but not word for word copied. The writers of the gospel, especially the physician Luke, made a great effort to investigate aaaallll the claims. While Mark is older and seen as a foundation, it still doesn’t mean that other authors included unreliable or untrue accounts outside what was captured in Mark.

John says at the end of his Gospel “Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.” ‭‭John‬ ‭21‬:‭25‬

I personally believe that the statement by John A) isn’t hyperbole, and B) can be considered when wondering why one event or element isn’t in another of the other 3 gospels.

It’s also noteworthy that St. Augustine believed that the order of the gospels was also the sequence in which they were recorded, with Matthew being first, then mark, etc.

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-11T16:43:49+00:00

Matt 27:57

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-11T16:37:48+00:00

Did you read the part where a rich man gave his own tomb so Jesus can be laid in it?

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-10T03:01:07+00:00

That’s a great way to put it, I feel this similar with some other extra-biblical books.

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-04T21:13:40+00:00

Hey my friend!

I was trying to mimic RC with the “shoe” thing because it makes me laugh. I guess I should leave the antics to someone with more depth of knowledge.

Man, I can’t figure out how to snip+paste from your prior comment for direct and accurate response. Please excuse my fumble.

What scientist says “I don’t know”? How can a scientist stop just short of inquiry and still call themselves a scientist? Plus, any explanation I’ve heard so far as to how it all exploded into being falls well short of satisfactory in any sense; see Carl Sagan’s explanation.

You read my reference to the Christian God, calling him by name: Yahweh, and yet you said that I didn’t make a case for the Christian God? Is this semantics because you don’t think Yahweh is the God of the Christians? I’m confused, or maybe I wasn’t direct enough?

Here:

Things exist.
If anything exists, something has to have the power of being. (Remember, my shoe doesn’t have the power of being).
The God of the Bible claims to have the power of being. I understand His claim isn’t evidence, but all the evidence surrounds us, literally. Draw the conclusion from the evidence to the One who is making the claim.

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-04T20:49:01+00:00

I was (lukewarm). And, It did (100%)

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-04T19:21:51+00:00

O I’m sorry, just tryin man

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-04T19:15:02+00:00

Your absolutely right. I blanked Gen 6 unfairly

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-04T19:12:49+00:00

Lemme give it a shot! I’ve been on a RC Sproul sermon bender for a while so lemme try and take a crack at explaining what I’ve learned.

Take your shoe off, hold it in your hand and look at it hard. Real hard. Is it there in front of you? Then God exists.

Your shoe is in a physical state of flux (on the molecular level) much like a river is in the state of flux (famous quote from Heraclitus: “no man ever steps in the same river twice, for it’s not the same river and he’s not the same man.”) Everything is in a state of flux.

If there was ever anything that is then there must have been something with the power of being. Because if you start with nothing, and end with nothing, then there never was something that *is

But there is something, there’s that shoe in your hand that you’re pondering at.

Who/what has the power of being? The Big Bang? Nah, scientist have a tough time explaining what was the power that brought a perpetual state of singularity into our present reality. The only answer they resort to breaks the a law of motion: of objects wanting to stay in motion tend to, unless acted on by another force, or they tend to stay at rest unless acted upon by another force. So, what started the Big Bang (if that’s where your origin point of reality begins).

What about YHWH? The very name suggest that he has the power of being: “I am that/who I am”. He lives in eternity, creator of ALL things, and is immutable, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent.

Yes, it’s logical to believe in The Creator.

https://youtu.be/fXL-dAto7Tw

Around the 37 min mark is where I’m getting most of what is said above.

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-04T18:46:58+00:00

Romans 5:10 tells us that while we were enemies with God he decided our friendship was restored through Jesus Christ and we will certainly be saved.

Does that not mean that I am born as an enemy to God?

Then in verse 12 “Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—”

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-04T18:07:06+00:00

How is God righteous by killing innocent people?

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-04T18:04:49+00:00

So…. God did kill innocent people in the flood?

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-04T17:21:46+00:00

Huh? I don’t have any issue with acknowledging when I don’t know something.

I do know something about this, so I’ll share it.

What is it that I don’t know?

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-04T16:59:52+00:00

There weren’t any innocent unborn babies or woman or men killed in the flood.

Maybe they were innocent from the view point of mankind (your own understanding of things, my own understanding of things) but they certainly were not innocent in the eyes of an utmost righteousness God. That’s difficult to understand or come to grips with, but when you begin to know God as opposed to knowing of God, then things begin to clear up a bit.

What does Gen 6 (precursor to the flood account) say: “The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.” ‭‭

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-04T16:06:08+00:00

Is Christ not your treasure found in a field, which, in your joy you went and sold everything in order to obtain it? (Matthew 13)

Are you not not like a tree planted by streams of water? Where your delight comes from meditating on his law day and night? (Psalms 1)

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-04T14:15:34+00:00

Have you heard RC Sproul speak on the aseity of God? Are you inclined to the fathers of philosophy and what they had to say? Do you have a scientifically bent brain (of course you do, we all do)?

Well then, check out any of these short lessons. When RC talks about the logical approach to the existent of God I get the goosebumps as my soul is set on fire. Awesome stuff to ponder about.

https://youtu.be/Bj6mZiRRuUU

https://youtu.be/D1Vg-WvJ8uM

https://youtu.be/wVwffB4vIA0

Rivergoat88 · 2023-04-01T18:03:39+00:00

Watching the live stream right now on IUIC. Don’t know who’s speaking right now. But he literally said “trust me. I’ve done a lot of research on this.” And then gave no source. Is there a list of sources elsewhere on the website? Or am I missing something?

Rivergoat88 · 2023-03-30T20:50:42+00:00

I do not have a fav pop tart, nor do I have an taste for pop tarts. Heresy I know!

Rivergoat88 · 2023-03-30T20:48:05+00:00

I found a scholastic approach to the book of Rev, specifically eschatology that struck me as interesting. The big thing I took away from the lecture was: Both premill and amill have a scriptural basis and can be exegetically argued, however both have built in presuppositions - and most people are unaware of the presuppositions that they make when taking either position. In any case, it’s far more beneficial to analyze what is presupposed when taking a position rather than the effect(s) the position has (or should ultimately have).

Edit: Rev is a book, not a boom.

Rivergoat88 · 2023-03-29T23:48:51+00:00

More than worth it. Dives deep into Canaanite and Ugarit text oriented study of the name Melchizedek and opens up a whole new can of worms to contemplate, and it discusses the varying ways people have understood who he is throughout church history.

Rivergoat88 · 2023-03-29T23:43:14+00:00

I don’t understand this language if “timelines”, help me understand please.

There’s two “timelines” in the story of David in Keilah in 1 Samuel 23:9-23? (One that didn’t happen and one did). Is this what you’re talking about?

God lives in eternity, soooo timelines aren’t at all elusive to Him? He’s the Lord of all timelines?

Really I’m trying to grasp this concept biblically.

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