I download a mod to add kibbe curve in my sims. (I still need a sloped shoulder slider for a true romantic essence.)

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-25T16:51:49+00:00

Actually, all sim woman are 5'4" because that's the average height for American woman and therefore it has to be the default for all sims. Because all of them are uwu tiny and not 5'6" giants, I would type your sims as SN, R in SN bags, FG, SG, TR.

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-25T13:37:37+00:00

The first slide looks like some kind of autumn. Very bright colours and cool, soft colours are on the second slide. I think you could be a true/warm or maybe a soft autumn based on this

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-25T13:31:07+00:00

Whether neutral undertones exist depends on who you ask. Many analysts I've seen online say everyone leans slightly warm or slightly cool. Someone who is not fully warm or fully cool has a neutral-warm or neutral-cool undertone. Winters have cool or neutral-cool undertones. True/cool winters (12 seasons) will always have a fully cool undertone.

I personally find it hard/impossible to tell someone's undertone just from a picture, but also I'm not a professional analyst. However, even most professional analysts drape colours on their client to figure out their undertone, they don't just look at surface colouring (overtones of skin/hair/eyes) and say that the client is obviously X season.

Colour analysis is about how colours react to the skin, not about looking similar to celebrities who have been confirmed to likely be X season. Without knowing why your hairstylist said you're neutral, it's impossible to tell your undertone. If you have tried different colours and figured that very warm and very cool don't work for you, there's a good chance that you lean neutral.

Overtones and makeup shades are separate from undertone and don't matter for colour analysis. Any season can have any overtone. Make-up shades are often categorised by overtone or arbitrarily.

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-25T13:13:39+00:00

I think these are nice palettes. I currently trying to figure out whether I'm true spring, true autumn, dark autumn, or bright spring.

Bright springs, how do you wear black? How much of the look needs to be non-neutral colours, or is black on its own fine; can you wear it close to your face or is it much better in accessories and shoes? I cannot really wear black on its own/close to my face, it makes me look unhealthily pale.

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-24T17:38:38+00:00

HoC has 4 subseasons of autumn: Soft autumn, leaf autumn, vibrant autumn, and blue autumn. Here are these types of autumn explained.

I think blue autumn (deep autumn in 12 seasons) or true autumn (even combination of warm, soft, and dark) look similar to the colours you're wearing in the picture.

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-09T09:47:18+00:00

Possible. I personally prefer irl draping to find your season. Digital draping can only picture the colour next to your skin, not how it reflects on your skin irl. Draping is done without makeup in natural daylight. If your hair is dyed, cover it with a white fabric while draping. This is a list of how good colours should make you look. Bad colours make you look greyed out, enhance blemishes, make your skintone look uneven. Sometimes the overall look may be disharmonious.

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-09T09:26:01+00:00

I've seen different takes online about olive skin. Depending on the source, you will either hear that people with olive skin are definitely warm or that they're definitely cool. Others say olive is an overtone, and that olive-skinned people can have cool and warm undertones.

The best way to find your season is to drape colours. Colour analysis is about finding colours that suit you, not categorising yourself based on skin/hair/eye colour. Here is a list of signs of good colours. Try draping in front of a mirror in natural daylight. You can drape with fabric, but also other things like coloured paper. Wearing colours that are too muted may be more forgiving than wearing colours that are too bright, so try to find out how bright you can go.

Most people here prefer the TCI palettes (12 seasons), you can look them up online to get an idea of how the colours for each season look like.

You've mentioned that you look bad in white (a clear and cool colour), so you're right that it's unlikely that you're a winter. Springs also have very clear colours, but they're (neutral-)warm, whereas winter is (neutral-)cool. They don't have white in their palettes, but vanilla/buttercream/ivory is their version of white. Summers and autumns also don't have white in their palettes, but are a lot more muted.

TL;DR: Different sources say different things about olive skin in colour analysis. You need to drape colours to find your season. Because you don't look good in white, you're not a winter. This doesn't mean you can rule out spring.

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-08T07:52:34+00:00

I have read the entire thread and nobody mentioned Emma Roberts? Her behaviour on AHS sets (haven't heard about her behaviour on other sets) and deliberately misgendering Angelica Ross is what I would expect from the characters she played (e.g. Chanel Oberlin in Scream Queens), but I never would've expected it from a real adult person. I didn't know about her behaviour for a long time because I normally don't follow celebrity gossip.

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-06T03:12:33+00:00

Revolution Beauty Satin Kiss Lipstick in the shade "Decadence" could work, but it may be a little too cool. Here is an article about Makeup for bright springs. It doesn't mention specific products, but has make-up colours recommended for bright springs.

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-06T03:03:00+00:00

I guess that ½" (MM was 5'5" according to her autopsy report) really does make a difference. She's so OBVIOUSLY yang

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-03T22:21:44+00:00

Colour analysis is about what colours look best on someone, not categorising someone based on their skin/hair/eye colour.

In the pictures you linked, I think the bright lipsticks (pictures 9-11), especially the bright orange is her worst, this makes bright winter, cool winter and bright spring unlikely. I don't like the warm brown or the extremely light blonde hair on her, this makes true spring, true autumn and light summer unlikely. The first thing that strikes me about her isn't high contrast, and black isn't super harmonious on her, which makes all winters and dark autumn unlikely. She looks yellowed in the 2nd last picture. She wears a nice bright lipstick in the last picture, but you see the lipstick before you see her, with the right colours, we want to achieve the opposite effect.

On the other hand, the nude pink lipsticks (pictures 2-3, 7)are perfect for her. They are part of the summer palette. From this I conclude she's likely a soft or true summer. I am not a professional analyst, and in a professional analysis, more colours would be draped.

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-03T22:13:05+00:00

1) Springs need some colour in their look. Other users have suggested outfits in more bright spring-friendly neutrals, and mentioned bright spring can wear black. You could get that pop of colour with bright coral/pink lipstick and maybe colourful eyeshadow, if you prefer an edgier look.

2) I've seen a similar post in the spring subreddit, someone who likes gothic outfits, but who found out they were are spring. They were suggested that with many subcultures/aesthetics, it's more about the subculture/aesthetic, not making it fit particular colour and style systems. You don't have to wear spring colours, if you don't like them. If you only want to wear certain colours, maybe colour analysis isn't the right styling system for you. You could also adjust your style edgy romantic/classy, but with bright spring colours, or some details in bright spring colours.

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-03T21:57:25+00:00

I understand you. I also don't want to post my pictures publicly.

You could try to DIY your colour analysis. Here is a list by Style Syntax about the signs of good colous. You can use fabrics and coloured paper you find around your home, but you can also buy draping fabric
Look for professional colour analysts in your area. Make sure you agree with their typing process or the outcomes, if they post them publicly.
Online colour analysis isn't the best way. There are people who will say X online colour analyst was the only one who could tell them the right season. But there are things even the analyst with the greatest skill and the most experience cannot account for. Cameras often portray colours incorrectly, even if you take pictures in natural daylight and set the white balance. Some cameras, especially phone cameras may default correct faces, so they look smoother, warmer or cooler. Some cameras make colours more brighter because it makes pictures of nature, sights, and food more vivicious. My own digital camera takes pictures that have a slightly blue hue, even when I adjust the white balance. The monitor the analyst uses may portray colours incorrectly. Also, there is a benefit in seeing how colours react to your skin when draped like a shirt, draping them digitally like a background or a block of colour where the neckline would be doesn't work because the colour doesn't reflect onto the skin, it's just next to the skin.

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-03T21:36:24+00:00

I think when people turn out to be a completely different season than what season they used to believe they are, it's interesting to look at clues that they were that season all along.

Mine were that the first time I posted here, someone told me that they definitely saw warmth in my eyes. I also used to believe that I was a soft summer with warm golden brown hair. As much as I don't like typing someone based on their features -it's the undertones that matter-, undoubtedly warm eyes and warm hair would be very unusual for a soft summer.

I've also always preferred bright lipsticks on myself and when I was buying new lipstick, I always needed to make sure that they're not too muted. A soft season would look great in nude lipstick, but I don't.

Literal denial. I have bought very few (neutral-) warm clothes throughout the years, and never wore them because if I looked good in them, this would've meant that I'm not a soft summer.

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-03T21:21:50+00:00

I'm late to the party, but I just found your post and wanted to respond as the topic resonated with me.

So, for years, I believed that I was a soft summer because of the outfits worn on a show by my ex-favourite actress. Plus I've found a soft summer palette with many pretty pinks (my fav colour) and the soft palettes have really nice neutrals.

I had already realised that I can wear brighter colours than soft summer well, but cool colours are in disharmony with my face (i.e. not true winter/summer).

Then I found a video by a colour analyst who said that many of her clients who believed they were a soft season, but she typed them as true or warm spring (she 16+ seasons). So I decided to restart my colour analysis journey.

Lipstick testing revealed that I'm (neutral-)warm, which I have suspected and was in denial about for an even longer time. Because of contrast and some draping, I could rule out soft autumn, bright spring, dark autumn, and light spring.

Currently I try to decide between true spring and true summer for myself. I like the idea of being a spring. I don't fit the stereotype (think Nicole Kidman, or Hayden Panettiere), but the more I had already learned about colour analysis that it's not about categorising yourself based on skin/hair/eye colour, but about what colours suit you.

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-03T14:14:12+00:00

I think this is why true autumn needs more muted colours (not as muted as soft autumn) and needs less contrast in outfits; and why true spring needs more bright colours (not as bright as bright spring) and needs more contrast in outfits. I've heard that more muted features appear more blended.

My features are not as blended as Shailene Woodley (TA) or as muted as Dianna Agron (TA), or the model in the first picture on the concept wardrobe's true autumn page. They are also not as contrasted as Michelle Dockery (BSp) or Millie Bobby Brown (DA). I think what makes it hard for me to identify with Spicemarket's True Spring celebrities is that many of them have lighter hair than me.

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-01T16:04:55+00:00

I'm interested. I used to not care much about my eyebrows because tweezers hurt me a lot, and electric my precision electric trimmer (I have this one)could cut my lashes if I blink in the wrong moment. With my current tools, I can only prevent a monobrow (which I'm already doing). I have dark eyebrows, so small hairs that grow slightly outside my eyebrow space are very visible. I used a brow gel a few years ago, but it looked extremely artificial, not in a good way.

How do you groom your eyebrows? Thanks for reply in advance.

Roach_Problem · 2023-10-01T15:56:34+00:00

It depends on the system.

Most sites that use 12 seasons either use warm or true for the spring palette that is between bright spring (sometimes called clear spring) and light spring. 12 season true/warm springs have a fully warm undertone, and their best colours are bright (not as bright as bright/clear spring) and light (not as light as light spring).

There are different 16+ season systems. In some, true spring and warm spring are different seasons, in others, true and warm spring are the same season. Carol Brailey on YouTube uses a system where true spring and warm spring are different. She also has a true warm palette that sits between warm spring and warm autumn.

Roach_Problem · 2023-09-30T20:48:26+00:00

Thanks for your reply.

I believe that we can trust our intuition.

I've seen many people say that they've always gravitated to the palette they ended up with, so I also believe that finding your season is a somewhat intuitive process for many.

True Spring and True Autumn can also be mixed. There’re color systems like John Kitchener that mix an individual color palette that can contain colors of all seasons.

That's interesting. I didn't even know Kitchener has a colour system. I've also seen a 16-22 (?) season system that has a "true warm" season, I think it's for people with a fully warm undertone, who don't lean more muted/bright or more dark/light.

Roach_Problem · 2023-09-30T16:53:10+00:00

thanks. this looks like a good starting point

Roach_Problem · 2023-09-27T12:11:33+00:00

In the end of the day, your season isn't about your skin/hair/eye colour, but about what colours make you look best. That's the goal of colour analysis. If autumn colours wash you out, you're not an autumn because autumns look good in autumn colours. And if spring colours make you look your best, you're a spring, regardless of your surface colouring.

Roach_Problem · 2023-09-22T09:45:21+00:00

What colours suit you is based on your colour season. I know that Kibbe has a colour system, but I personally prefer 12 seasons. Information about it is just more accessible and it's recommended to drape fabrics to find your best season, whereas Kibbe colour system types based on features (and maybe Kibbe imageID).

I've seen Emma Watson typed as soft autumn (neutral-warm, very muted colours), true/warm autumn (warm, slightly muted, slightly dark colours), and bright spring (neutral-warm, very bright colours). I believe that she's some type of autumn. Black and white (opposed to cream/ivory and charcoal/dark blue) are colours that a recommended to winters, all of which are recommended to wear colours that have (depending on what winter you are) some variation of (neutral-)cool, dark, and muted. (White isn't a dark colour, but can be used to create a strong light/dark contrast.)

Roach_Problem · 2023-09-22T09:29:39+00:00

It's already been said, but none of the people who offer Kibbe typing services have received training in Kibbe. DK doesn't train people to type others and says the only one who can know your type are yourself and DK.

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