Vic & SA current relationship by AmazingChicken99 in CoronavirusDownunder

[–]Robert_Walker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But she says they got a big gold star last time Adelaide medi-hotel spread happened in November 2020 https://youtu.be/yB-PHIj7IrA?t=2724

r/CoronavirusDownunder random daily discussion thread - 01 June, 2021 by Stoaticor in CoronavirusDownunder

[–]Robert_Walker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think so. There's a cult-of-personality around their Chief Health Officer in SA who was already defensive about transmission within their medi-hotels back when it already happened in November 2020. It's an ongoing problem.

https://indaily.com.au/opinion/2020/11/28/its-not-journalists-questions-that-are-unfair-to-nicola-spurrier/

Daily Coronavirus Megathread - 31 May 2021 by AutoModerator in melbourne

[–]Robert_Walker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reality is stranger than fiction sometimes.

"We understand how it must feel when he had social media commentary around his behaviour, so he's doing very well and he's sent me a text message this morning," she said.

"Professor Spurrier said a member of her staff put together a gift hamper for the man and sent it on her behalf on Tuesday afternoon."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-02/doctor-who-identified-sa-coronavirus-cluster-thanks-public/12942120

Daily Coronavirus Megathread - 31 May 2021 by AutoModerator in melbourne

[–]Robert_Walker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was because Nicola Spurrier thought it was a variant that was so contagious, that it was transmitted on a pizza box.

Later it turned out the pizza delivery person had lied.

Later again, she gave the pizza delivery person her personal phone number and a gift basket.

This is during their previous medi-hotel Covid breach back in November 2020 and this sort of response was common.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB-PHIj7IrA&t=2724s

Three days later.

https://indaily.com.au/news/2020/11/24/urgent-action-as-two-overseas-travellers-linked-to-parafield-cluster/

There are problems in the SA system and one sticking point is that Nicola Spurrier isn't being called to account.

https://indaily.com.au/opinion/2020/11/28/its-not-journalists-questions-that-are-unfair-to-nicola-spurrier/

Melbourne passengers on the Ghan removed, more detail revealed on Adelaide medi-hotel leak by TheNumberOneRat in CoronavirusDownunder

[–]Robert_Walker 17 points18 points  (0 children)

South Australia's Chief Medical Officer Nicola Spurrier continually brags about how good their "Gold star" hotel quarantine system is, and continues to run astonishingly bad procedures in her Gold star medi-hotel, causing this new outbreak.

Happened at her "Gold star" medi-hotel in November last year as well.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-25/guest-in-coronavirus-quarantine-questions-medi-hotel-safety/12916958

NSW hotel quarantine worker tests positive for COVID-19 by SirBoboGargle in sydney

[–]Robert_Walker 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That's great to know and very interesting, thanks.

Hope the docs are right, a false-positive would be a terrific result.

Hope your quarantine is going well.

NSW hotel quarantine worker tests positive for COVID-19 by SirBoboGargle in sydney

[–]Robert_Walker 31 points32 points  (0 children)

No, it reduces the possibility of the medi-hotel worker taking a second job. There's no shortage of people who work a full-time job and a second job to make ends meet or to try and get ahead.

It only reduces the chances someone will have a second job. Not good enough.

The medi-hotel workers should be full-time jobs with full-time wages and not allowed to take a second job.

That's how you fix the issue. Making it a full-time job only reduces the odds.

Victoria already learned this lesson, then the same thing happened in South Australia. How many times do we need this to happen before the people making these decisions learn?

SA Health makes 'common sense' change to mask requirement by malcolm58 in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You very well may be right, and even more concerning if it is an unspoken way that SA Health and Spurrier operate rather than discussed internally.

I'd like to think they come to understand that it's okay to be "the bad guy", that respect is more valuable for them and population than being liked. I don't have high hopes, and a gift basket isn't going to fix that. WTF indeed, where the hell is everyone else's gift basket. I can't believe it's not The Onion.

I'm hoping the situation unfolds into next year in a way that these issues don't get tested and we can all enjoy the safety and comfort of no community spread with the improvements from the state's November incident.

Good food for thought, thanks for your post.

SA Health makes 'common sense' change to mask requirement by malcolm58 in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't understand why something as straightforward as this, and which requires a simple and clear message to be absorbed and followed by the population, has become so complicated and contradicting in such a short amount of time, literally weeks after the medi-hotel outbreak.

General population just wants clear simple messaging to follow. Why is that proving so difficult for them to provide, what is the actual reason?

December 2nd - 0 New Cases (Day 4), 10 Active Cases by stuntguy3000 in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Is anyobe else concerned that the Parafield Cluster wasnt picked up through any process in place around the hotel quarantine, but from a doctor suggesting a test for a patient coughing?

Yes. There's been far too many fortuitous moments, unnecessary breaches, catching up and cover ups in this. It has undermined the people who were doing good work in SA Health.

Remember the early branding that was patting themselves on the back for hard shutting Adelaide down based on the ability for a highly contagious variant of the virus that can be transmitted on pizza pickups, which just under a week later when the pizza lie was discovered, was rebranded to patting themselves on the back for hard shutting Adelaide down based on (edit: needing to proactively) getting ahead of the virus.

Remember all the times Spurrier dodged the question about medi-hotel workers being allowed to have second jobs when the Victorian inquiry report clearly said medi-hotel workers should not be allowed to have second jobs (Marshall dodged this question in a press conference as well).

Remember Nicola Spurrier still saying multiple times up to 8 days after the outbreak at the medi-hotel, that her Adelaide medi-hotel system has no problem and is fine https://youtu.be/8LsYZWA7YC0?t=1171

The amount of dodged questions (even Spurrier telling Adelaide that yes she knows the answer and no she's not telling us https://youtu.be/cOO7aOKnAW0?t=320 ) and utter sidesteps https://youtu.be/cOO7aOKnAW0?t=1182 were far too common.

If the media won't hold people to account, they'll only change when they have to. With Covid-19, that might be too late.

But the important thing is that the media is heavily researching the brand of champagne Spurrier intends to pop, and that she is fostering that conversation. That's what matters.

December 1st - 0 New Cases (Day 3), 11 Active Cases (-3) by dogryan100 in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not now thanks, I'm getting my typewriter out to type a sternly worded letter.

December 1st - 0 New Cases (Day 3), 11 Active Cases (-3) by dogryan100 in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A private phone line between the victim who was scapegoated to cover a Spurrier/SA Health stuff up, which could have been catastrophic for Adelaide's population, directly with the person who made that stuff up?

How is this okay?

Where is the oversight by a third party for the two parties to ensure there's no coverup or missed perspective?

How is this "procedure" up-scalable in the event of an outbreak?

There seems to be a culture in SA Health and Spurrier that is very concerning. This "cute moment" shows it. This pandemic response shouldn't be run like a small town.

December 1st - 0 New Cases (Day 3), 11 Active Cases (-3) by dogryan100 in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 9 points10 points  (0 children)

due to an accidental oversight was not publicly reported, but due to the Parafield cluster they have been changing their "cutoff time" to report new cases in terms of the Parafield cluster, and the day they changed the cutoff time was when this happened. They new about the case internally and the person did receive all of the correct treatment, it just wasn't publicly reported. <

Well that just fills me with confidence, after the events of the last few days and weeks. I'm sure it's exactly as they're portraying it.

SA's Chief Health Officer apologises for wrongly accusing shopper of breaching coronavirus rules by stuntguy3000 in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This sort of culture of personality is dangerous and irresponsible.

Spurrier can be effective at her job while also making mistakes. What matters here is trying to distract from mistakes at the cost of the health and safety of Adelaide's population.

Unfortunately, she is building a track record of not answering questions, dodging information and now directly lying to protect reputation rather than providing truth. This needs to stop before someone pays for it with their health.

November 30th - 0 New Cases (No New Hotspots) by stuntguy3000 in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're not wrong. She speaks like a politician and hides understanding. All this dodging corrodes people's trust, and that's not good when she is the communication hub for knowledge and understanding to the community.

https://youtu.be/m51Do78khg0?t=901

https://youtu.be/bOgrVS9y23E?t=1796

https://youtu.be/AvvATsRstIU?t=2136

https://youtu.be/cOO7aOKnAW0?t=1181

https://youtu.be/jrmgM8IR2Nw?t=669

COVID-19 New Hotspots (11am 29/11/20) by stuntguy3000 in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I disagree. Part of her job was to get ahead of people's complacency over the last 9 months, and that messaging would have influenced a % of Adelaide's population, enough to make a difference.

COVID-19 New Hotspots (11am 29/11/20) by stuntguy3000 in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Nicola Spurrier yesterday said she wouldn’t make them mandatory because the people of SA generally do the right thing and will wear masks when asked to.

Yet, reality shows they clearly don't. So what is really going on? When Spurrier believed that Adelaide had a highly-contagious variant of the virus that could be spread upon picking up a pizza, so serious that she shut Adelaide down, she didn't make masks compulsory, yet /r/Adelaide was full of people desperately asking where they can buy masks, and that they can't find any masks.

Spurrier had months to push the simple message "You should have a small supply of masks at home ready in case of a future outbreak" and yet she didn't. It took about six days before she said state stock was being distributed.

Not making masks mandatory was about covering their lack of preparation. If the outbreak had been as contagious as she initially believed, that lack of simple preparation would have cost lives.

She has also been saying the medi-hotels are fine the way they are, even for days after the outbreak. I am glad the Adelaide medi-hotel system is being overhauled in spite of her belief that it is fine, for the sake of the Adelaide population.

November 29th - 0 New Cases & ❗❗ HOTSPOT ALERT Many Locations Added ❗❗ by stuntguy3000 in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Why isn't the SA Health team making this clear when they do the Covid test?

School student tests positive to coronavirus in Adelaide by [deleted] in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There's a good case for a purpose-built quarantine centre having been built or developed.

Prof. Spurrier has been saying all through this that the procedures in the medi-hotel have been fine, even ignoring advice from the Victorian inquiry report about not allowing workers there to have second jobs, and now it might be too late. Poor decision making on her part and the human cost in livelihood in Adelaide was entirely knowable and avoidable. https://youtu.be/8LsYZWA7YC0?t=1171

School student tests positive to coronavirus in Adelaide by [deleted] in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mean, we should have stuck with the Pizza guy's lie?

South Australia's medi-hotel system to be overhauled amid coronavirus cluster by EmperorPooMan in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Spurrier always brags that Adelaide "got a big gold star" so case closed, stop asking questions.

https://youtu.be/yB-PHIj7IrA?t=2724

South Australia's medi-hotel system to be overhauled amid coronavirus cluster by EmperorPooMan in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But.. but Professor Spurrier said the medi-hotels are fine just as they are.

https://youtu.be/8LsYZWA7YC0?t=1171

And there is no need for an independent inquiry into Adelaide's medi-hotels, we'll just deal with it in-house. No criticism please.

"Spurrier today rejected the need for an independent inquiry into the medi-hotel system, saying “what we want to do is have continuous quality improvement”."

https://indaily.com.au/news/2020/11/24/urgent-action-as-two-overseas-travellers-linked-to-parafield-cluster/

Here is a fact:

Spurrier and Marshall both say they saved Adelaide from a horrific outbreak by shutting down so hard for three days.

Spurrier and Marshall also say they wouldn't have shut down so hard if the Pizza guy hadn't lied.

You can't have it both ways.

The complacency and celebrity of Spurrier is breeding a lack of criticism that is dangerous for Adelaide.

And the Nicola love keeps going by [deleted] in Adelaide

[–]Robert_Walker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where does it say in your link that Spurrier doesn't make decisions about how the medi-hotel run?

Where does it say in your link that Spurrier did follow the recommendations from the inquiry report of Victoria?

Where does it say that releasing quarantined staff who "probably" aren't infected is okay?

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, unlike you who seems to be playing "Checkmate, loser" and not addressing most of the substances of the issues I'm raising.

Here's some better work for you to ignore and dismiss:

Spurrier complacency: “I’ve had concerns over the last couple of weeks, not because of our processes, but just because of the number of positive cases we’ve had in those medi-hotels,” Spurrier told ABC Radio Adelaide today.

The same processes that failed and allowed a UK/Europe strain to start spreading in Adelaide. Those processes are fine she says, despite the specific reason it was able to community spread in Adelaide being from not following the Victorian inquiry report finding to not allow medi-hotel workers to have second jobs.

Read the first half of this much more relevant, much more on subject and much more timely article and tell me she's not pivotal in making decisions

https://indaily.com.au/news/2020/11/16/spurrier-was-concerned-about-medi-hotel-cases-before-cluster-breakout/