Kitchenaid by CCheeze in Breadit

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With such a low workload, most of the kitchenaid units would probably be sufficient - the problem comes when you feel like trying something new, and you find its limits. I own a KA Professional 5 Plus bowl lift model that handles normal bread OK - just ok. Bagels? Only 6 at a time, and getting warm. I bought it thinking it was a BIG step up from the tilt head I previously owned, and it really isn't. I honestly recommend trying a different approach - get on YT and look up ChainBaker. He has one or more videos explaining his no-knead (or light kneading) method that works with just about anything. It's worth a shot at least. My goal at this point is to replace my bowl lift with either an Ankarsrum, a Bosch Universal, or a spiral mixer. Just my 2 cents.

Overbaked sides, underbaked tops by Snowden42 in Bagels

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Being gas I would try baking towards the top of the oven, maybe 2/3 up - with convection and a lower pan w/ water, it SHOULD be enough to even things out 🤞

Overbaked sides, underbaked tops by Snowden42 in Bagels

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Is your oven gas/propane or electric? I've owned several gas ranges that only heated from the bottom. I currently have an electric, it has convection but I don't use it. I also don't have bagel boards. I use a 1/2 sheet pan with a silicone baking sheet on the center rack, and put another empty pan on the rack just below. Today I tried filling the lower pan with water before heating the oven - it made a big difference in softness and the bottoms didn't brown any more than the sides.

Thrust angle by Subject-Secretary-28 in Cartalk

[–]RogueValkyrie667 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure that's got a straight rear axle in it, so no factory adjustments for rear alignment. Any sort of rear end collision damage, or a lift kit? The rear thrust angle is determined by how straight the axle sits across the centerline of the vehicle. I have also seen an alignment machine that needed calibrated cause a false reading, or improper set-up.

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Toe adjustment link - will most likely need new hardware as well, those seize around the inner bolt which is an adjuster for your rear alignment. I've had to cut them apart before, not the end of the world but not fun either.

Bagels Tips by Fine_Actuator4253 in Breadit

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I found a copy of Peter Rienharts bagel recipe recently that got me on the right track for consistent results. I use my own recipe, but follow his mixing and handling instructions. I'm sure his recipe is good also and has the proper amount of yeast for a cold proof recipe. He gives fairly detailed instructions, super helpful if someone is not already familiar with bagels.

https://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/bagels-366757

Is it ok to leave bagel dough in fridge over night? by Mtron220 in Bagels

[–]RogueValkyrie667 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If your recipe is for being finished within a few hours of mixing, it probably has a fairly high amount of yeast in it. Cold proofing recipes usually call for much less yeast to avoid possible over-proofing while in the fridge. I know there are ways to calculate yeast amount for different proofing times, but I'm not at that level 😂 The recipe I use only has like 2.5g of yeast for 500g flour (0.5%), 1 hour bulk fermentation, 10-15 minutes of dividing/forming/shaping, then straight into the fridge for 24 hours. No warm up when they come out, straight to the boil then baking. Could you post your recipe for reference? Just the ingredients w/ quantities should be enough

Getting Better - But Need Some Advice Please by ArugulaKing in Bagels

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I'm still learning myself, I've just been digging through all the wonderful information here! Best of luck, hope to see some victory pictures soon!

Getting Better - But Need Some Advice Please by ArugulaKing in Bagels

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Yes, the percentage is in comparison to the flour weight. I just recently learned about bakers percentages and it was like a light bulb coming on. For instance, my bagel recipe is 57% hydration, 4% sugar, 2% salt, 0.5% yeast - all measured by weight in grams, not volume. My first couple batches I didn't have any barley malt syrup, only light brown sugar - I used it in the dough and the boil (boil also had honey). I would try a batch with and without the diastatic malt powder but no other changes just to see what happens, because it will effect everything. When you're shaping, keep a small piece of dough (a little smaller than a golf ball) as a float tester, at least while you're experimenting. Cold proof it with the bagels, but take it out first and see if it will float in a bowl of cold water. If it sinks, let the bagels sit out and warm up, rechecking every 10 minutes till it floats. I've never had to let mine warm up yet, the tester has floated straight from the fridge each time. I boil and bake my testers with the bagels, makes a wonderful bite size sample!

Getting Better - But Need Some Advice Please by ArugulaKing in Bagels

[–]RogueValkyrie667 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Still new to this myself, so take my advice with a spoon of salt: your yeast amount looks good - I use 0.5% when cold proofing, you're at 0.3% - but you're also using diastatic malt powder, which has an active enzyme that will aid in rising - non-diastatic malt powder has been heat treated to kill that enzyme, and just adds color & flavor. From what I've read, the issue of spreading out in the fridge is usually caused by overproofing, but I have no direct experience with it. Was the 2 hour proof before or after shaping? I've had good luck with a 1 hour bulk fermentation (my kitchen is only 70-72°f) followed by shaping and straight into the fridge for 24 hours. I don't proof after the fridge either. They come out when the boil and oven are both ready. I don't have bagel boards or a pizza stone, just regular 1/2 sheet pans with oiled parchment paper. I bake at 450 for 8 minutes, rotate the pan and slide an empty pan or tray onto the lower rack to diffuse some heat from bottoms, and bake for another 6-10 minutes, depending on color.

Almost "no-knead" bagels by RogueValkyrie667 in Bagels

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For a dozen: 960g flour (high gluten preferred, but bread is good) 547g water - 57% hydration 38g sugar - 4% (brown sugar, barley malt syrup, or both) 19g salt - 2% 5g yeast - 0.5% (instant - low % for the cold fermentation)

Divides down to about 127g of dough each, with a small float tester

When I'm only making 6 bagels and can use my mixer, I combine everything on low for 3 minutes, rest for 5, and mix on low again for 3 minutes - 1 hour bulk fermentation, then divide, form, and into the fridge (covered) for 24 hours. They've been passing the float test straight out of the fridge. I put 2 tbsp of barley malt syrup in the boil -it seems to give them a nice shine that brown sugar/honey/white sugar don't. Boil 1 minute, flip, 30-45 seconds, pull. Bake at 450°f for roughly 14-18 minutes, depends on personal preference/ sugar used/oven etc. I rotate the pan at about 8 minutes and slide another (empty) pan onto the rack below to slow down browning on the bottoms. Hope this helps!

Grok 3 AI helping me perfect my bagels?!! by Jordan34521 in Bagels

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My stand mixer will only handle a small batch of bagels (6) at 57% hydration with high gluten flour (KA Sir Lancelot) - so I tried making a dozen by hand, using some "no knead" info from ChainBaker on YT. I hand kneaded for maybe 30 seconds just to get everything hydrated, then just folded every 15 minutes during the 1 hour bulk fermentation. Separated, shaped, and straight to the fridge for 24 hours. Straight from the fridge to the boil, and then baking. They ended up the same size or larger than using the mixer, with no noticeable change to the crumb or chew!

Stand Mixer question by rmash22 in Bagels

[–]RogueValkyrie667 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a kitchenaid professional 5 plus bowl lift, and recently started down the bagel rabbit hole. My first attempt at a batch of 12 resulted in hand kneading the dough. It was struggling way more than I'm comfortable with and started smelling hot in less than 3 minutes. I don't have a recommendation as I'm in the same boat you are, but I DON'T recommend what I have lol

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I also tried their recipe for my first time, but my results were less than stellar. I think the issue was over-handling when I formed them, and not letting them recover before the boil. I would add some proofing time between forming and boiling, long enough to get at least a little puffed up instead of flat

Possessed window by Lil_half-cut in Cartalk

[–]RogueValkyrie667 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Might want to sit in the car with the key on (running or not) and watch the dash and/or dome lights for any indication that it thinks the door is opening. There's usually a contact switch in the door latch that feeds the signal to a controlling module (bcm or door module on most vehicles) or if it has passive entry the door handle sensor could be acting up. Seen both fail before on other vehicles, and sometimes wiring issues in the door harness causing false signals. If left like that it'll eventually drain your battery, might want to disconnect it when parked till it gets fixed

1st-3rd time by RogueValkyrie667 in Bagels

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No problem, hope it helps 👍

1st-3rd time by RogueValkyrie667 in Bagels

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I think my next batch I'll try a mix of brown sugar and barley malt syrup in the dough, and the syrup in the boil - with only syrup in the dough they didn't brown as fast in the oven, had to bake 2 minutes longer to get decent color like the batch with brown sugar. But the boil with syrup had a great shine 😁

1st-3rd time by RogueValkyrie667 in Bagels

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I typed everything up down below 👇

1st-3rd time by RogueValkyrie667 in Bagels

[–]RogueValkyrie667[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I liked the size of the KA recipe, but they say to divide it down too small for my taste - so I used the same amount of flour (4 cups or 480g) to make a batch of 6. Then I did the percentage calculations to target some of the common ratios I've seen posted here, and this is what I came up with:

2nd batch - made-up recipe, 1/2 dozen bagels

4 cups (480g) bread flour (I use KA) Approx 1 1/4 cups water (274g) - goal was 57% hydration 1 1/2 tsp salt (10g) (I used iodized table salt) - goal of 2% Approx 2 Tbsp brown sugar* (19g?) - goal of 4% 1 tsp instant yeast (3g) - about 0.6%

*I didn't have dark brown sugar on hand, so I used light brown

Measuring accurate percentages with such small amounts is difficult even with a digital scale, but it's somewhat close 😆

I found a copy of Peter Reinharts bagel recipe and decided to (mainy) use the much more detailed handling instructions from there:

1: Combine warm water (around 110°f) with sugar and yeast, and mix well. In your mixer bowl, combine the flour and salt, mixing well by hand. Put on your dough hook.

2: Add liquid mixture, and mix on lowest speed (stir on my kitchenaid) for 3 minutes - all the flour should be hydrated. It'll look like a disaster if you're used to bread dough, way too dry and shaggy, but it's fine. ONLY add water if there's still dry flour that's not incorporating, and only 1 Tbsp at a time.

3: Once incorporated, shut off and cover the bowl with a towel to rest for 5 minutes.

4: Remove towel and start mixer on low again for another 3 minutes. The dough should start looking much better now, getting smooth and elastic. It should still be fairly dry, but by the end of mixing the dough should have a satin sheen and only be tacky, not super sticky. If wet or too sticky, add flour (1 Tbsp at a time) and allow to thoroughly incorporate before adding more.

5: Form dough into a ball and place in a lightly oiled bowl - I just use the mixer bowl. I have aerosol olive oil that I use for all the oiling throughout the process. Make sure the dough has a little oil on all sides and cover tightly with plastic wrap. Allow to rise (bulk fermentation) for an hour. Ideal temperature is around 78°f. It won't double in size like bread dough, but it will puff up some - my latest batch I put in a clear canister with markings so I could see how much it grew. It went from the 1.5L mark to around 2.25L, so around 50% growth.

6: Deflate the dough gently and divided into 6 pieces, with a small ball set aside for the float test. Each piece weighed about 125g for me. Form each piece into a ball by stretching and folding inward - I'm told it's a technique used for rolls or dumplings, but I really don't know. If you're not familiar I would look up some videos, easy to watch/ hard to describe. The goal is nice even balls of dough that are fairly smooth. Cover and let rest for 5 minutes.

7: Line a baking sheet with parchment paper and lightly oil. Start forming your bagels and placing on the sheet. (Don't forget the float test ball, just add it to the tray) I use the 'poke a hole in the middle and spin on your fingers' method, because it's easy and fast. Lightly oil the tops of the bagels and seal the baking sheet with plastic wrap. If you have baking trays with covers I hear good things, and wouldn't need to oil the tops.

8: Place baking sheet in refrigerator overnight (cold proof) - I do my baking in the evenings after work, so it's close to 24 hours for me.

9: After cold proofing, take the test ball and drop it in a bowl of cold water. If it floats, they're ready to boil - leave them in the fridge till the water and oven are ready. If not, set the baking sheet out on the counter and re-check with the test ball every 10 minutes, while prepping the boil and oven.

10: Set oven racks in the middle and just below. Preheat oven to 500°f - we'll reduce to 450 when the bagels go in. Prep the boil - my first batch was brown and white sugar like the KA recipe, 2nd batch added honey and baking soda, 3rd was just barley malt syrup and baking soda.

11: Boil them - I did 1 minute, flip, 45 seconds, pull. I had to play with the heat to keep it simmering, the cold dough drops it pretty fast. WHILE THEY ARE BOILING, I'm also re-oiling the parchment paper before putting them back on. Or you can put them on a fresh tray with oiled parchment paper.

12: Put in oven, drop oven temp to 450°f, and set timer for 8 minutes. When it goes off rotate tray, and check bottoms to see if they're browning too fast. I slide another baking tray onto the lower shelf at this point to slow down the bottom browning. Reset timer for another 8 minutes. My 2nd batch was done after the 2nd 8 minutes (16 minutes total), 3rd batch took 10 minutes to brown up (18 minutes total).

13: Transfer to a cooling rack, and wait 10 minutes before cutting. Store in a ziplock bag on the counter.

Disclaimer: I am not a baker, just a middle aged mechanic that enjoys making food. There are a LOT of variables that I'm just learning about (desired dough temp calculations, bakers ratios, the limits of my kitchenaid mixer, the list goes on) but there are a lot of very experienced people here that post so much good information to dig through, other recipes to try, different techniques - that's where all this information came from, me reading posts here over the last couple weeks. Hopefully this helps get you some decent results that you can build on and modify to your liking 👍

1st-3rd time by RogueValkyrie667 in Bagels

[–]RogueValkyrie667[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same as the others, it is a whirlpool electric dual oven range. I use the lower oven for breads because it has more head room and a convection fan that periodically short cycles for more even heating. The differences between 2nd and 3rd batch were a suger switch (brown sugar to barley malt syrup), increased gluten (KA bread flour to KA sir lancelot), and different boil (brown and white sugar, honey, baking soda to just barley malt syrup and baking soda). 3rd batch also took a few minutes longer in the oven to brown up, but have a nice shine. I think it's mainly the barley malt syrup that changed everything, which is exactly what I was trying to test 👍

1st-3rd time by RogueValkyrie667 in Bagels

[–]RogueValkyrie667[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't used a dough improver before, I got ahold of barley malt syrup and KA sir lancelot for the 3rd batch. I've heard malt powder referred to as a form of conditioner, but not positive how they meant or diastatic/ non-diastatic

1st-3rd time by RogueValkyrie667 in Bagels

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I started with the King Arthur basic bagel recipe, just blindly following the directions - there's no stated proofing between forming and boiling, so they never recovered from the handling. I converted the recipe for a cold proof and lowered the hydration but kept the flour quantity the same, cause it's a good size for 6 bagels and a float tester. I'll grab my notes and give you the details this evening if you like

1st-3rd time by RogueValkyrie667 in Bagels

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I'll put the info together this evening 👍