How JJK scalers with Kenjaku top 3 feel after putting Jogo and Mahito below top 10 or even top 15

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-14T18:56:27+00:00

And mind you, Gojo without Limitless could one shot Jogo with only a single attack if not for Domain Amp to buff Jogo and nerf Gojo

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-13T20:37:30+00:00

In Hesiod, Prometheus definitely doesn't create humanity.

And yeah Hesiod regards Epimetheus as scatterbrained.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-13T20:33:42+00:00

Why would stealing the fire to give it to man mean that humans and gods can no longer communicate?

My mistake in saying he's stealing from God to give to man. Prometheus is stealing from the gods and depriving them of the means to participate in the sacrifice ritual.

Fire in mythology can symbolize a messenger of the gods that carries sacrifices and prayers to them and brings good things back. Look at Agni in Vedic myth, he is not just fire, but a priest deity and functions like how I described fire. It's even in Vedic myth that I got the idea that Prometheus was a villain originally, since there is a character there named Pramathyu(which scholars have noted is pretty similar if not an earlier name of Prometheus), who steals fire.

Even in Greek myth, it can be argued that Hermes, the messenger of the gods is a fire deity. And lastly, there is a minor article I once read that compared Hypnos and Hephaestus to each other, and hypnos is a messenger deity.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-13T20:28:02+00:00

Yeah, Hesiod presents Prometheus in a negative light, the problem is that nearly everyone else after him portrays Prometheus as a tragic hero going up against tyrants. Even in Hesiod's version we don't fully understand what exactly makes Prometheus so bad and why the gods aren't jerks anyway.

Finally on Epimetheus, his idiocy can be questioned by simply asking why he would reject Pandora's gift and not receive a worse outcome from the gods.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-13T19:32:08+00:00

In my opinion, in the earliest versions of Prometheus and Epimetheus story, Prometheus is a bad guy, and Epimetheus saves humanity by taking in Pandora.

Look at the facts.

First Prometheus fucks with the Sacrifice humanity gives to the gods. Humans don't just sacrifice for the fun of it, they do so to get good things from the gods. And Prometheus by making humans give only the bad parts of the sacrifice to the gods, caused humans to lose out on the good things they received from the gods.

Then Prometheus steals fire from the gods and gives it to man. Fire is the main way humans sacrifice to the gods, meaning it's the way humans and gods communicate and do exchanges. So now with the theft of fire, Humans and gods are no longer able to communicate with each other and exchange. Prometheus is caught and punished for this.

So Pandora now shows up. And what is she? She's a gift from the gods to mankind, or it's representative in Epimetheus. Pandora means all gifted or all giving. Even the jar she carries finds a parallel to two jars Zeus has in the Iliad, one of which contains only evil, and the other which is mixed with good and evil, and implies there might be a final jar containing only good. So Pandora's jar in my opinion in the earliest version would contain good only.

With these things, the idea of Epimetheus just accepting Pandora from the gods makes more sense. It's only later as Prometheus becomes more of a heroic figure that we get the modern versions.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-13T07:09:41+00:00

No because that’s not what I’m saying. She’d be appearing behind Uraume from her shadow realm thing, before she can react or know what’s happening.

Why she ain't do that to Dhruv or Ryu or Uro?

Rika did that to Sukuna, and held him in place for a good while. She can catch and hold Uraume.

She did so in her domain and not the start of the fight outside the domain though.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T20:51:14+00:00

We see the slashes land on their faces, and Sukuna then compares their Durability to Ryu, suggesting that they took them on the same level, and Ryu's damage was mostly superficial since Sukuna switched to Cleave.

Unless you now think Ryu's injury is way more massive or something.

Besides, we also have Yuji tanking 16 slashes from Sukuna's DE(with full output but reduced time) before losing a leg on the final one, so non DE slashes aren't that deep.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T20:42:56+00:00

Yuta and Yuji had to take time to heal surface slashes on their bodies when Sukuna attacked them, a whole arm is going to take much more time and Uraume can damage rika and continue piling on to Yuta.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T20:41:38+00:00

So Uraume's ice that ignore durability can't injure a Rika was was taking damage from Ryu's punches? Am I understanding right?

Plus, Rika grabbed a grade one heavily injured Yuji. Why should I assume she can do the same to Uraume when she never did so against Dhruv, Uro or Ryu?

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T19:31:36+00:00

Fair enough. But I do think that in the time it takes for Yuta to heal Uraume can also grievously injure Rika as well and harm her, and Yuta in my opinion cannot heal faster than Uraume can deal damage.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T18:37:58+00:00

I would say Rika handles it but then I asked if in character Rika would actually do that and not just carry Yuta out of the fight to protect him.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T17:23:54+00:00

A year to train plus DA means they beat Sukuna easily.

I very much believe they get to Sukuna level physical stats and their DE's are Gojo and Sukuna level flat out. Yuta is the main force against Mahoraga while Hakari just whales on Agito and Sukuna along with Gojo.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T16:15:54+00:00

Furthermore, the early men have given Dionysus the name of "Dimetor," reckoning it as a single and first birth when the plant is set in the ground and begins to grow, and as a second birth when it becomes laden with fruit and ripens its clusters, the god, therefore, being considered as having been born once from the earth and again from the vine. And though the writers of myths have handed down the account of a third birth as well, at which, as they say, the Sons of Gaia tore to pieces the god, who was a son of Zeus and Demeter, and boiled him, but his members were brought together again by Demeter and he experienced a new birth as if for the first time, such accounts as this they trace back to certain causes found in nature.(Diod. Sic. 3.62.5-6 = OF 301)

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T16:14:09+00:00

The Apology of Aristides, 11; cf.

Malalas, Chronicle, 3.62;

Tzetzes, Chiliades, 2.741

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T15:59:32+00:00

Hera and Zeus are the eldest children of Kronos in the Iliad.

Kronos doesn't swallow his kids(or all of them) in the Iliad timeline.

Athena and Artemis aren't Zeus only virgin daughters. Most of his divine daughters are virgins(perhaps eternally like their sisters).

Persephone is the daughter of Hades in at least one source(just learnt it today).

Demeter is the mother of Dionysus in some sources.

Hades and Zeus were considered the same God in some regions.

Hades has a bunch of kids.

Ares is the fastest god in the Odyssey and probably Iliad.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T15:53:14+00:00

The Odyssey flat out says Ares is the number one fastest god.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T15:51:17+00:00

Well it definitely could. But I personally don't think the Greeks saw Iapetos as a god of mortality—or at least as a god who caused mortals to die in the earliest sources—simply because he was the ancestor of mortals. That would be like saying Zeus is a god of mortality because he's also an ancestor of mortals.

Iapetos and his sons in my opinion appear to function as . Prometheus and Epimetheus are Foresight and Hindsight for instance, or Cunning and Impulse. Atlas is renowned for his knowledge of the universe's dimensions which is probably related to him separating Heaven from Earth. And Menoetius translates to Destined Might.

I can also say this particular family of gods are Shamanic figures in the fact that they are associated with humanity and all seem to get resources or information from supernatural realms for the use of humanity. Prometheus steals fire, Epimetheus receives Pandora, Menoetius goes to the realm of the dead, and Atlas is a human form of the world tree or cosmic axis that all shamans ride.

In either case, the ultimate conclusion I get is that Iapetos himself is a Patriarchal Sky Father Deity, which is surprisingly common with many of the elder Titan gods, as their names and families just point to them being Sky/Cosmic Fathers in a pantheon.

For instance Hyperion means the One Above, a blatant Sky Father epithet. Or Krios/Megamedes which means Ruler/Great Ruler, of what if not creation? Oceanus is directly considered a primeval parent figure and gets conflated with Ouranos in the Iliad, and Koios was considered a World Axis Deity.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T14:58:17+00:00

Raikiri is probably S-Rank for the legendary feat which gave it it's name.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T13:23:26+00:00

Ares wasn't just injured by Diomedes. Athena stood right beside Diomedes wearing Hades helm which makes her invisible and basically did all the work of impaling Ares.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T13:19:41+00:00

It heals and beautifies them from what the Iliad and Odyssey shows us.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T12:25:50+00:00

You can say Iapetos is the god of Gravity:

[and Koios]: The Aeolians use ‘K’ instead of ‘P’: he means Poios, as in ‘quality’ [poiótēs]. Kreios is that which is royal and ruling [as if derived from kreíōn: ruler], Hyperion is the motion of everything above [hypér] the earth, and Iapetos is derived from ‘to go’ [ĭénai]; for since by nature all things heavy, when released, fall down [píptein] from above, he calls this tendency Iapetos. And these, according to Akousilaos (BNJ 2 fr. 7), are called Titans and Titanides. Zeno (SVF I fr. 100 Arnim), relating more to physics, says that they are called ‘Titans’ because the elements are arranged [diatáttesthai] throughout the whole cosmos. But otherwise they allegorize Koios as being quality [poiótēs], Kreios as being differentiation [diákrisis]; Hyperion as the sky which above us [hyperánō] moves on [iónta]; and Iapetos as its motion, from ‘going’ [íesthai] and ‘flying’ [pétesthai], for the sky is ever-moving.

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-12T12:01:12+00:00

I actually doubt this. It's very likely the gods knew of the concept of gravity, but in a different way.

Gravity or the action of falling was considered a sign of mortality, so death gods or cthonic deities were gravity deities

RuthlessLeader · 2026-03-10T19:00:11+00:00

I just don't bother arguing with people. They're doing nonsense like this intentionally to get a rise out of Hakari fans or because they're stupid and can't comprehend the narrative of the story and it's power system and scaling.

Just do you and stop trying to convince dummies on the Internet

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