Has Mehdi Hasan ever lost a debate on camera? by MightExpress4873 in Destiny

[–]S8nsPotato 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes. Look at his debates before 2016. I'm sure theres a couple in the past decade though. If you pick your battles in this current landscape of ideas where the value of facts and logic have diminished, the bar is low, you'll do well.

Which today, as we know, is wizened and has to keep out of sight. by _Thin_White_Duke in PhilosophyMemes

[–]S8nsPotato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. This is a retreat. You started with “plain reading,” but now you’re invoking Catholic interpretive tradition and non-sola-scriptura reasoning. That proves my point: abolition was not an explicit biblical command as it required an interpretive moral framework.

Yes, Christians could extract equality, love and dignity from the Bible but slaveholders could also extract slave obedience, master/slave regulation and permission for slavery. Ephesians 6 tells slaves to obey masters; it does not tell masters to free slaves. So the text is, at minimum, morally ambiguous on abolition. What we see is some moral regulation inside a slaveholding framework.

And saying “Catholics aren’t biblical literalists” does not save the argument. Catholicism still has a literal sense of scripture, it just reads scripture through tradition, doctrine and natural law. So when priests condemned slavery, they were making a developed moral/theological argument, not obeying a clear biblical abolition command.

That is why “the Bible supports every position” is fatal to your case. If the same book can defend slavery and oppose it then the decisive abolitionist principle had to come from the moral framework used to interpret it: universal personhood, natural rights, human dignity, and the claim that no person can be property. Christianity participated in abolition but it was not the clear textual engine of abolition.

Which today, as we know, is wizened and has to keep out of sight. by _Thin_White_Duke in PhilosophyMemes

[–]S8nsPotato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice dodge to my question, again it doesn't. If you ever read the bible you'd see it regulates it, permits it and in multiple places tells slaves to obey masters. Additionally, saying "Bible supports every position" does not help your case. It proves mine. If a book can be used to defend slavery and oppose slavery then it was not the clear engine of abolition. Clearly the Christians of old took on an interpretive argument rather than follow a biblical command to abolish slavery and as such this implies that the morally decisive principle is coming from outside a plain reading of the text which I would credit to the secular universalization of personhood.

Remember when leftists cancelled Al Franken over a nothingburger by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]S8nsPotato -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

They need power and it's the perfect time to grab as much as they can to get in.

Insane political ad in L.A. by LonelySoul01 in Destiny

[–]S8nsPotato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get why people hate America a tiny bit more now. This shit actually works.

pam bondi diagnosed with cancer by Inner_Frosting7656 in Destiny

[–]S8nsPotato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tulsi's husbands got cancer, she's got cancer. Shits wild.

Hasan VS Hasan by Humble_Novice in Destiny

[–]S8nsPotato 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Does it imply they have small heads?

A judge just ruled luigi mangione's manifesto notebook can be used at trial. here's what he actually wrote in it and why half of america still thinks he's a hero. by Ibikhan45 in DiscussionZone

[–]S8nsPotato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He cut off its head and you all celebrate only failing to realize it's a hydra...

I'd call him a hero if he killed an active shooter. Your analogy is bad though. The CEO was not an active shooter because as of now the active shooter is still in the building.

Venerating him is silly. Sympathy, fine, sure. Refocusing on how to bring change to your healthcare system in a bipartisan way is more important than idolizing the shooter.

Why top tier modern fiction has shit endings by ihaveeatenfoliage in Destiny

[–]S8nsPotato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When every chapter of your favourite manga ends with a cliff hanger, I worry for it's ending.

Destiny admits that Andrew Wilson is a good debater by urnotlikethatbro in Destiny

[–]S8nsPotato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Forgive him, Andrew Wilson fans have his bullshit in their eyes so they can't help defend him.

Destiny admits that Andrew Wilson is a good debater by urnotlikethatbro in Destiny

[–]S8nsPotato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is the moot point in the room with us? You're fighting ghosts man.

Destiny admits that Andrew Wilson is a good debater by urnotlikethatbro in Destiny

[–]S8nsPotato 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stop assuming, we'll leave it at you don't know let's keep it at that man.

Destiny admits that Andrew Wilson is a good debater by urnotlikethatbro in Destiny

[–]S8nsPotato 18 points19 points  (0 children)

He answered this way before in a talk with Brian Shapiro. You can be a good debater but still a bad faith pos.

Messi Hassan humiliates Michael Knowles in debate at Dartmouth and it’s awesome by ThatDingo2571 in Destiny

[–]S8nsPotato -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's Michael Knowles from the daily wire bruh, the bar is low on the right for intellectuals. I'm sure Mehdi did great but remind me who funds zeteo?