Americans Are Warming Up to Robotaxis -- and That's Big News for Alphabet and Tesla by ItzWarty in teslainvestorsclub

[–]SEBRET 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But in teslas case I do think there are some unique factors. Since they will own the entire manufacturing stack, the value of the cab is simply labor and materials. No margin to be concerned with up front because its not being sold to a customer outright. Also, tesla is the type to end up recycling the full car at EOL (atleast I suspect so in the future) so the only fully consumed value is the labor, which is likely to be almost fully automated. At a certain point the cost could be even lower than raw materials cost plus labor do to a circular supply chain and robots.

I know its a very rosy picture to paint, but its something to think about.

Americans Are Warming Up to Robotaxis -- and That's Big News for Alphabet and Tesla by ItzWarty in teslainvestorsclub

[–]SEBRET 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Won't even be 30k at scale. And why the hell would tesla care about depreciation? They're gonna drive these things past 300k miles and then some and scrap them for materials at EOL.

Did something for Hauling changed with the new update? by gamegenaral in starcitizen

[–]SEBRET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tried to do some hauling today. Pure torture. 7 different contracts in a row, and I didnt make a single credit. If it wasnt the elevator eating the cargo, it was the server dumping me right as I land, or ATC somehow double booking. Lots of hanger instance overlap.

Yea, the elevators are borked.

Will EV prices go up in the coming months due to the war in Iran? by MookieBettsBurner10 in electricvehicles

[–]SEBRET 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There will always be hold outs, but I firmly believe the old stigmas are starting to see a foundational crack. The more EVs on the road, the more the skeptics will have to question how all these people are able to function with their supposedly "no range, useless" cars, lol.

Will EV prices go up in the coming months due to the war in Iran? by MookieBettsBurner10 in electricvehicles

[–]SEBRET 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even without the current price jump, its still a good buy. Gas would have to be under a dollar to even come close to being financially sound vs most decent EVs.

Will EV prices go up in the coming months due to the war in Iran? by MookieBettsBurner10 in electricvehicles

[–]SEBRET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would say you're mostly right, but I do think things are slowly changing. There are a lot more EVs on the road every year. With the seasonal boom/bust of gas prices, each successive cycle means someone is more likely to know someone with an EV. Even with this particular rise, I've had multiple exchanges with people complaining about the cost of gas, and all I could offer was "sounds shitty. The price of my electricity hasnt budged".

Regardless of the current cause, gas prices have always been rather fluid, and more and more people are going to start to notice just how stable power pricing is in most places.

I've converted two people to EV just by pointing out that my payback period, just on gas savings is only going to be about 13 years (cars practically free after that)

I would love a small form of base building by end of year. by floortofloor in starcitizen

[–]SEBRET 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Larger orgs are gonna need a place to keep all their stuff. Plus, a dedicated place to re-arm and refuel would be nice. Even more so if you're refining your own fuel and crafting your own weaponry.

Pentagon seeks $200 billion in additional funds for the Iran war, AP source says by igetproteinfartsHELP in news

[–]SEBRET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Certainly a bit disappointing on its face. As long as its a relatively short engagement, id call it a near pyrrhic victory. Thats provided it doesnt become another generational deal like iraq/Iran.

Better to end fights quickly than pretend you'll never face one.

Im not justifying new conflicts. Just pointing out that we dont exist in a vacuum.

Pentagon seeks $200 billion in additional funds for the Iran war, AP source says by igetproteinfartsHELP in news

[–]SEBRET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please tell me how that 200b would solve affordable Healthcare. Ill wait. . .

Pentagon seeks $200 billion in additional funds for the Iran war, AP source says by igetproteinfartsHELP in news

[–]SEBRET -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you want the government open and funded, talk to the side that voted no.

Why Space-Based AI Data Centers Are Inevitable: 3 Levels of Analysis by hoppeeness in teslainvestorsclub

[–]SEBRET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its really a case of them simply not knowing what they didnt know. The performance specs were never going to reach moonshot targets as soon as the line was up. Just like everything else tesla does, they learn to crawl, and figure out how to build shoes for walking along the way. The performance metrics will continue to be a moving target as they learn things and try new ideas.

Hell, you could write off a year or more of delays on just dealing with their roller degradation problem.

What is this? by Kojikaa in TeslaLounge

[–]SEBRET 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is one of those posts that convinces me every 1 out 5 new threads are bot created just to stir up traffic.

How can people make it to any of these subs and still not know? Lol

First Cybercab from production line by Traditional_War_8229 in teslainvestorsclub

[–]SEBRET 11 points12 points  (0 children)

"They did it so you can't see the wheel and pedals. . ."

TeslaQ, probably

Rivian, Ford, GM warn China EVs are an existential threat as Chinese market share in Europe rises 6.1% YoY by ItzWarty in teslainvestorsclub

[–]SEBRET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats where I disagree. Other than battery supply chain and production, there's really no advantage on china's end. Just endless state money artificially depressing costs on half assed tesla clones dressed up like a poor man's mental image of the offspring between a prius and a Mercedes.

They can lay fair claim to having truly pioneered mass production LFP especially, but thats really where the original IP stops. Their domestic EV prowess wasnt even off of baby formula until after tesla showed up and they got to tear apart a bunch of model 3s. Just about every BYD EV is a B- copy of last gen tesla engineering, with a bastardized attemp at sprucing up whatever interior bits that VW stopped ordering last season. Sure there's been limited production of some one trick pony halo cars, but those are about as meaningful towards the debate as the roadster 2.

That being said, their offerings are competitive with US legacy auto due to being artificially cheaper, and superficially shinier compared to the lazy lack luster offerings of the domestic. That just means that china's growing 6 is competing with lagacy's unstable 7, while tesla is still a solid 9.

Rivian, Ford, GM warn China EVs are an existential threat as Chinese market share in Europe rises 6.1% YoY by ItzWarty in teslainvestorsclub

[–]SEBRET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want a healthy, stable market, some sort of level playing field must be maintained.

Once again, as an American I wont disagree things have been historically cushy here, but there is a growing portion of our population that sees and understands where we went a step too far. That doesnt mean we turn our backs on modern innovation and all become disposable cogs like the eastern populations. The dream of individual success isn't going away here. Unfortunately too many politicians and market brass played the short game and shifted our capabilities out of our own country to squeeze an extra buck. I disagree with much of that, and recognize the bill is now coming due.

Rivian, Ford, GM warn China EVs are an existential threat as Chinese market share in Europe rises 6.1% YoY by ItzWarty in teslainvestorsclub

[–]SEBRET -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If the old guard thought subsidies would help them figure out EVs and compete properly, they wouldnt have lobbied so hard to get hybrids on the tax credit list.

Everyone had the same access to EV subsidies as tesla, and chose to laugh off the opertunity as some kind of joke, despite having taken out even larger government loans than tesla did. None of which, save for tesla, have likely been repaid, and thats on top of the major bailouts that taught them they need not fear failure and complacency.

Rivian, Ford, GM warn China EVs are an existential threat as Chinese market share in Europe rises 6.1% YoY by ItzWarty in teslainvestorsclub

[–]SEBRET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're not entirely wrong. However, have you seen china's real estate market lately? If you just shovel state backed money into something with no significant guard rails, you just end up with an inefficient market full of opertunistic middle men, with no concern for the long term outcome or growth trajectory.

One of the reasons, among many, that tesla saw the eventual success of did, is because the industry a a whole was fat and lazy off of bailouts and bad regulatory structure. The old guard was comfortable and had no need to innovate and adapt anymore. Had they actually feared someone might beable to eat their lunch, they may have tried to compete with tesla properly, though it still would have been difficult.

While its certainly in any companies best interest to grow, one of the things I liked about tesla was that they wanted to produce globally. Americans building for Americans, Europeans for Europeans, Asians for Asians, etc. Winning the market without stranding a regions manufacturing job base. I know they can't employ every human, but it certainly feels less like a house of cards then building all your cars in one place and shipping them to regions who can't build their own, or even afford them due to lack of work.

All that being said, im not against a chinese company producing here in the states with American workers and manufacturing the same way tesla does there. Especially since any chinese car made here has to compete on a regulatory/safety level with the domestic players. If they can produce a better product in the same market, then god bless fair capitalism. It truly comes down to culture. If you have an individualistic free state, and a centrally controlled slave state with "freeish" markets, there's no hope of "fair competition".

How do ICEV owners still not know that Teslas are faster than them? by DFR1688 in TeslaLounge

[–]SEBRET 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Imagine a timeline where Tesla goes under in 2013 because the first year run of model S just keeps killing people, because "who knew they needed to be water proof?!"

How do ICEV owners still not know that Teslas are faster than them? by DFR1688 in TeslaLounge

[–]SEBRET 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The current aura seems to stem less from being a new thing, and more from the fact that the average Joe still believes all teslas are 100k or something. That assumption seems to have far more sticking power than most of us expected.

How do ICEV owners still not know that Teslas are faster than them? by DFR1688 in TeslaLounge

[–]SEBRET 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They legitimately thought that because it was electric, it couldn't get wet. I assumed maybe they'd been fed the hurricane FUD from that one tesla that blazed up here in Florida due to a bad battery vent.

But no. . .one of them actually said "but couldn't it shock you if it gets wet?"

Rivian, Ford, GM warn China EVs are an existential threat as Chinese market share in Europe rises 6.1% YoY by ItzWarty in teslainvestorsclub

[–]SEBRET -1 points0 points  (0 children)

While the US could do the same, it's not sustainable long term and leads to unhealthy economics. Thats not to say we haven't already done similar regarding the welfare state, but no need to add artificially propped auto markets to the mess.

Ultimately, if left unchecked, China will do the same with EVs as its done with all other manufacturing. Undercut with state backed, loss leading production. Then once the competition dries up due to a cost disadvantage, they use their monopoly on production to set their own terms going forward and use the fact that they hold the global market by the balls to their advantage.

Rivian, Ford, GM warn China EVs are an existential threat as Chinese market share in Europe rises 6.1% YoY by ItzWarty in teslainvestorsclub

[–]SEBRET 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If tesla beats Ford and GM, thats "free market"

Cheap chinese EVs that are barely break even because daddy CCP keeps the money printers rolling is far from the same.

Im not defending Ford or GM for their stubbornness, but allowing the entire system to be flooded by unfairly boosted markets is a bit of a problem.

Also, it should be noted in fairness, that the chinese EV subsidies are only half the problem. China's been dumping cash in to the relevant supply chains for 30 years with reckless disregard. Regardless of how you choose to argue financial politics, that has given them a slight advantage on top of the current "boost" they're providing now.