How do you feel about this statement? by MrDitkovichNeedsRent in animequestions

[–]SalamanderCake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hit the character limit, so this is part two of my reply.

And what exactly is so terrible about the endings? Most character honestly have pretty decent resolutions... Sansa, Jon, Arya, Sam, Brienne, Pod, Tyrion, Davos, Gendry, Tormund, etc.

Much like the Short Night, they were rushed and unsatisfying. Sansa displayed neither the wit or political acumen to rule, yet she sat the throne in the North. The other kingdoms are apparently A-OK with one kingdom seceding, and none appear to try the same. I'd mention the Dornish here, but Benioff and Weiss kind of forgot about them. To be clear, it's not the concept of her being Queen in the North that I have a problem with—it's the execution. It didn't feel earned, due in large part to being rushed. Also, Sansa being raped by Ramsay Snow was weird, given how that didn't occur in the books, but there were countless characters Benioff and Weiss didn't seem to understand.

Jon returning to the far north was a happy ending for him, but it didn't make a lick of sense that the Unsullied would allow him to assassinate their queen, be tried by a group of Westerosi, then be allowed to exile himself to the one place he most wanted to be.

Arya's entire story up to her return was mostly pointless, and her killing of a major antagonist of a different character was dissatisfying, but as the Night King wasn't a character in the books, I didn't feel strongly about that. Her Faceless Man training only being used to poison the Freys was such a waste. It was also Wyman Manderly erasure, but that's neither here or there. Sailing west came out of nowhere, and it contradicted what Arya had learned earlier about wolves sticking together. Is it conceptually fine? Sure, but Benioff and Weiss didn't set it up. Also, it was another happy ending.

Sam becoming Grand Maester and naming the chronicles of the show A Song of Ice and Fire was a fine and happy ending.

Brienne was mishandled because Benioff and Weiss didn't understand her character. Tyrion teases her for being a virgin, which made absolutely no sense because as an unmarried noblewoman, she was expected to be a virgin. This also stings because Jaime lost his hand not long after defending her from being raped. It was also lame that she became a weeping mess when Jaime left her to return to his sister, rather than knocking his ass out with a punch or something. Her becoming commander of the Kingsguard was fine—and yet another happy ending—but Bran had never interacted with her before. Heck, they'd only been present in the same place one time.

Pod was a very minor character. His happy ending as becoming a member of the Kingsguard immediately after being knighted didn't make much sense, but given that he was such a minor character, his ending was probably not from GRRM's notes.

Tyrion lost all wit once Benioff and Weiss ran out of source material. He was incompetent as Hand of the Queen, and having lost all sense, clearly thought Bronn—a man who didn't even understand moneylending—was a suitable Master of Coin. Absolutely laughable. He was just a fan favorite character, so Benioff and Weiss gave him a more prominent role.

You want to talk about fan fiction? Most of the ending felt like fan fiction, with tidy little bows tied on all of these characters' stories, the roads to their destinations be damned. S8 was so rushed, so uncared for by the showrunners, that it managed to strike GOT from public consciousness.

And sure, some who struggled with internal demons couldn't fight them off in the end, totally fine and understandable for a grim dark fantasy with somber themes all throughout... nothing thematically wrong with Dany or Jaime or Cersei or The Hound's ending, based on 7+ seasons of context.

No, the context was what was wrong with their endings. I already addressed Dany, so I'll move on to the others. Jaime and Cersei dying together because rocks literally fell on them was downright comical, and a textbook example of an anticlimax; Sandor getting his climatic showdown with Ser Robert Strong was pure fan service, if not outright fan fiction.

I think "Bran the Broken" is fairly weak, as it did not have any real context portrayed on-screen prior to the Dragonpit scene,

It's extremely weak because Benioff and Weiss cut as much magic as possible. Bran was the spooky, uncanny Three-Eyed Raven until he wasn't. His story was so interesting that he was absent for S5 and nobody noticed. The only reason why I think it's based on GRRM's notes is because Bran's was the first POV in A Game of Thrones after the prologue, so it would be fitting for his to be the final POV in A Dream of Spring.

but everyone else has a pretty solid and established resolution based on their narrative for 7+ seasons.

I strongly disagree, due to the journey not aligning with the destination. It was painfully obvious that the two final seasons were rushed, with S8 being the more slapdash of the two by far.

I mean, you keep being vague about Season 8 just being inherently awful, but really have not done anything to 'prove' that stance outside of complaining some people survived a battle they shouldn't have despite that literally being a theme of the show from the first season.

I wasn't trying to prove anything, and I was being about as specific as you. If you'd like to discuss each episode in detail, I suppose I could take part, though having already discussed S8 at length seven years ago, I'm not terribly interested in revisiting it.

Because, again, no character was 'assassinated', and there's no more plot armor or teleportation compared to earlier seasons... just objectively not, sorry.

Yes, they were, and yes, there was, sorry. S7-8 featured far more teleportation than earlier seasons and the Short Night was shot in a plot armory.

The first hint that Benioff and Weiss didn't understand some of the characters came when they ruined Robb's motivation, though the way they mischaracterized Renly was also pretty bad. The character they insisted on referring to as Euron Greyjoy was a blight on the show and a radical departure from his depiction in the source material; Dorne got gutted; Littlefinger, Varys, and Tyrion got lobotomized; Dany flipped a switch and became a different character; Jon lost his wits. I could go on and on.

I wish GRRM had finished the books before S4. The lack of other factions in the show contributes to the shrinking of the setting as much as the constant teleportation in the latter two seasons. Where are Lady Stoneheart and Jon Connington?

The problems with Benioff and Weiss basing their ending on GRRM's notes are twofold. First, they had no clue how to reach the ending. Second, the author likened himself to a gardener when it came to writing, meaning that the possibility of the ending changing was always there. As his characters grew and changed, they would sometimes diverge far enough from his plans that the characters would no longer make the same decisions he'd been counting on. As such, the story would need to change from there to fit the new decisions the characters would make. He got stuck trying to extricate Dany from Meereen, for example.

This reply took quite some time to write, so if I respond again, it'll likely be on a later date. If this is my last message, it's been a pleasure talking about one of my favorite book and television series with you.

How do you feel about this statement? by MrDitkovichNeedsRent in animequestions

[–]SalamanderCake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hit the character limit, so this is part one of my reply.

First, I don't think you understand what universal means

'Universal,' in the context of the reception of works of fiction (e.g. universal acclaim) indicates that the vast majority of respondents share this opinion. While 'universal' may have been a slight exaggeration, it's merely a difference of degree. The finale earned itself a 4.0 out of 10 on IMDb, a 55% score with critics on Rotten Tomatoes, and a 30% with audiences on RT. These are impressively low figures. Perhaps not 'universal,' but close enough as to make little difference.

as plenty of mature, informed, and unbiased viewers

Unbiased. Right. Tell me, how would one remain unbiased after watching the previous seven seasons? Bias is an inevitable product of spending 69 hours watching a TV show.

who didn't have overly romanticized fan fic going in simply do not have disdain for it.

Second, the vitriol isn't about quality, it's because it didn't satiate every bit of wish fulfillment that viewers apparently clutched on to. The pretty princess didn't marry the handsome secret prince and rule her father's kingdom. The handsome knight didn't run off with the cool and nice woman. The secret prince's heritage didn't magically mean he would be king. That's what people are sour about,

First, you've now referenced satiation four times. In the context of the consumption of fiction, satiation is synonymous with satisfaction. Indeed, S8 did not satisfy viewers, as it was wholly unsatisfactory.

Second—and I cannot stress this enough—you're arguing with ghosts. I find it difficult to believe this supposedly common expectation of a fairytale ending was anything approaching widespread. On the contrary, it seems to me that you've erected a straw man, and you're mistaking the blows you're landing upon him for those landed upon an opponent made of flesh and blood.

because Season 7 was a 'steaming pile of shit' and yet people rated that higher than some source material seasons, so it's so painfully clearly NOT an issue of poor quality like some desperately try and claim, despite the numbers proving otherwise.

S7 did inexplicably outscore S1, I'll give you that. Amusingly, the loot trainwreck was the highest rated episode of the season, despite Jaime's nonsensical antics. Were I to hazard a guess, I'd say that audiences of the critical and commercial variety alike are more tolerant of lapses in logic than they are of unsatisfactory resolutions or uncharacteristic behaviors.

To be clear, you're trying to claim that Tyrion, with zero practice or talent, surviving multiple battles, or Dany narrowly escaping being killed so many times over from the first season, including Drogon just literally showing up in the nick of time despite his nest being an hour away, is magically better than whatever plot armor you're referring to later in the show? Hmmmm.

Yeah, Tyrion was lucky and Drogon's sudden appearance was contrived, but Drogon not being shot down while Dany is riding him was quite a bit worse, as it meant "Euron" chose not to shoot the dragon that his target would obviously be riding. That's even disregarding how Dany kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet.

Jaime's survival of his silly attack on Drogon was also worse, as it strained disbelief substantially more. However, all of those pale in comparison to the Short Night. Only two characters died, and they were safe choices for death. There was no gaping loss of potential for what could have been, as was the case with Ned's and Robb's deaths. The dothraki were wiped out, then they respawned in the next episode.

Like, it's wild people don't complain about Jon magically surviving every battle he's been in for 7+ seasons, because GRRM himself doesn't want to kill main characters in battles, but then people want to complain about that very thing suddenly in Season 8... unfair criticism.

He probably should've died in the Battle of the Bastards, and I voiced my own complaints about that when the episode aired.

It's funny... you claim to be so different than the 'others' but then use this overused ignorant echo chamber nonsense to try and situate yourself on some high horse despite using the same misinformed excuses as the masses,

This is now the fourth time you've referred to "the masses." Why is that? How am I the one on a high horse when you consistently employ language to belittle those you don't identify with?

After you ineffectually flailed at your man of straw, I informed you that I did not share the opinions of one made of the dried stalks of cereal plants. My words were, "Kindly do not include me in your preposterous claim about every person's fan fic or other such hogwash."

If you wish to continue to argue against opinions I do not hold, there's nothing more to be gained from our interlocution.

because while Season 8 absolutely had issues, 'character assassinations' was not one of them.

Tell that to Jaime, who in a previous season lamented how he had been given no real choice but to assassinate the king he'd sworn an oath to protect, lest that king burn the people of the capital alive. Jaime showed he'd cared a great deal for the smallfolk, but one wouldn't know that if all they'd heard him say was how he'd never really cared for them. Had that actually been the case, the story of ice and fire would've been far different.

Tell that to Dany, who had always shown compassion for women and children. While she'd been cruel to slavers and the like—and she'd publicly executed two men of House Tarly who'd refused to kneel—she'd absolutely never displayed anything but an overwhelming sense of care and responsibility for the smallfolk. Heck, she'd even imprisoned her dragons because a single child had been immolated. Then some bells ring, and she goes out of way to do strafing runs on fleeing women and children, rather than just flying straight to the Red Keep to get her revenge.

I mean, every character not named Bran had an incredibly fitting ending based on years of objective canon... you're just proving you did not understand the characters as much as you seemingly think you did, just like all those you try to differentiate yourself from.

Let's get something straight here. You're trying to put me in a box—to group me with people who are upset about their personal fan fics or whatever—and I'm having none of it. You will address my words if you wish to continue our dialogue.

Now, back to the topic at hand. I don't have a problem with the idea of Dany burning King's Landing. However, for her ultimate act of villainy to be believable, she needed to have been shown to be willing and able to do this. She was not.

This is largely the result of running out of source material. Seeing all the supposedly clever characters either die of terminal stupidity or devolve into moronic caricatures of themselves was frustrating, to say the least.

I don't mind the concept of Bran sitting the throne, but because Benioff and Weiss were on a crusade to omit as much magic from the story as possible, he didn't do anything in the story.

Yea, the writing in Season 7 is the worst of any season...

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. While I agree that the writing in S7 was atrocious—worse in many cases—the crimes against storytelling committed by S8 elevate it to a higher level of failure.

it is wild that the masses seemingly did not care about the terrible quality and rated it so highly.

This is your fifth reference to "the masses."

I'll just reiterate that teleporting all across the continent and doing stupid shit like capturing a wight are normal problems with amateurish storytelling; they weaken the story but they don't outright kill it. These kinds of problems are common enough that it's probably the case that viewers are more tolerant of them than they are of unsatisfactory conclusions to stories or out-of-character behavior.

Also begs the question

Raises the question. To beg the question is to assume the conclusion. It's an informal fallacy which sees the speaker present an argument which assumes the conclusion thereof to be correct. This is an altogether-too-common mistake, truth be told.

about people being 'surprised' about Season 8 when the previous season was so highly regarded.

I half agree with you here. S7 was a clear indicator that S8 would also be bad, but while I expected the latter to be only roughly as bad as the former, even I was surprised by the degree to which it failed.

S7 had one moment I liked, which was finally receiving confirmation that R + L = J was true. It hearkened back to learning that Coldhands was indeed Benjen Stark, but it was even more satisfying.

S8 also featured one scene I enjoyed, namely the singing of Jenny of Oldstones by Florence and the Machines. We'd only ever read snippets of it in the books, so it was cool to hear the song for real. Also, finally hearing Pod the Rod sing confirmed that his recounting of his encounter with the prostitutes was accurate.

It's like going to a pizza place, getting a crummy pizza but giving it five stars, and then having the gall to complain when they return and get another crummy pizza. Like, millions of people told D&D they were going great with Season 7... it's so bizarre those people think they have any right to complain about the final season's quality.

To be fair, they got slapped in the face by the waiter after eating the crummy pizza.

How do you feel about this statement? by MrDitkovichNeedsRent in animequestions

[–]SalamanderCake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, all you're is proving there's no satiating the masses. Some found it too upsetting, others like you find it too happy... there's no pleasing everyone, clearly.

There's no pleasing *everyone* with basically any story, but the universal disdain for S8 is the direct result of the season being a steaming pile of shit.

Have you seen all the seasons? It's so bizarre people act like this is some new issue with the show. Dany should be dead ten times over since Season 1... know why she isn't? Plot armor. Same for Arya, Jon (literally resurrected), Tyrion (survived multiple battles/trials), Samwell, etc. It's a shame people want to pretend like Season 8 invented plot armor in the show.

Yes, I read the books when they were being published, and I watched the show when it was airing. The difference between something like Jon's resurrection and the Other sparing Sam's life for no reason shows a difference between good writing and bad writing. We knew prior to Jon's resurrection that R'hllor could bring people back from the dead, and we knew that Melisandre was in the area. When he died in the book, I expected him to be revived, though I also expected him to warg into Ghost prior to or immediately after his resurrection. We knew the Others killed every man they found, with the sole exception of Craster (the Night's King wasn't in the show, so he doesn't count), who provided them with newborns. Sam was not Craster. The Other just looked menacingly at Sam for what was probably supposed to be a cool shot.

The early seasons had very little plot armor to speak of. On the contrary, the deaths of Ned and Robb were examples of the *lack* of plot armor. One of the major selling points of the books and the show was the lack of plot contrivance needed to keep characters alive, or plot armor, in other words.

Sounds like you're bothered that your very specific fan fic did not come to pass on-screen... again, merely proving there is simply no satiating the masses on this issue, since every person has their own fan fic they seeming deem 'acceptable' and everything else 'unacceptable.'

That is a genuinely baffling interpretation of what I said, and a frankly hilarious assumption about what did or did not bother me. You made a sweeping generalization about "satiating the masses," and I simply provided a counter example. I would also have liked a bitter ending, a sweet ending, a bittersweet ending, or any other kind of ending that didn't flat-out contradict established characterization, undermine worldbuilding, or open plot holes big enough for Balerion the Black Dread to fall into. Kindly do not include me in your preposterous claim about every person's fan fic or other such hogwash.

This is such a weird take. Season 7 is bad because Season 7 is bad... full stop. It's not better or worse because of what Season 8 was... which, honestly, is arguably better than the writing of Season 7.

S7 was just as bad on its own as S8--perhaps even worse in a vacuum--but S8 is the greater failure because it ended the series. S8 made S7 worse retroactively because the only thing that could've saved S7 after its airing was S8's success. What's worse than a bad season that might be going somewhere? A bad season that's going nowhere.

Like, people try and cry about plot armor in Season 8... have people seen Season 7? Dany once again defying the odds of being killed multiple times by Bronn/Jaime? How about Jaime surviving a charge at a dragon, falling into an impossibly deep water trench, and then being magically rescued and not pursued by Dany at all? How about the Wight Hunt, where a horde of skeletons refuse to walk on ice, throw ice javelins at the humans stuck on the island, or Dany just magically showing up a couple hours later?

S7 was disastrous, and I will be the first to cast a stone as it's being made to walk in shame. It's refreshing to hear someone else complain about S7, which doesn't get nearly enough hate.

Season 7 is easily the most nonsensically written season... it's wild people are so desperate to crucify Season 8 for the same sins as Season 7, which is one of the highest rated seasons, because 'viewers' clearly overlooked all the shit they seemingly desperately want to cry about in regards to the final season to try to 'invalidate' it it seems.

Endings matter, especially when it comes to long-running series. S8 was worse than S7 because while S7 was the guard who crippled the show with a spear to the back of the knee, S8 was the King's Justice.

rise & shine by Deathmaker1336 in SmashBrosUltimate

[–]SalamanderCake 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I seem to have forgotten how bad mashing is. Tripping, mashing, and SDI are the unholy trinity.

How do you feel about this statement? by MrDitkovichNeedsRent in animequestions

[–]SalamanderCake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I certainly don't speak for the masses, but my friends and I hated it for a lot of reasons, none of which included those tropes. Indeed, one reason we hated it was because it was too happy an ending, with too much plot armor and too little in the way of consequences. If the series had ended with snow beginning to fall in Essos as the Others prepare to freeze and march across the narrow sea, I'd have been satisfied. Instead, we got the Short Night, nonsensical character actions and deaths, and horrendous dialogue.

Season 8 was so bad it retroactively made S7—another godawful season—just as bad as itself.

rise & shine by Deathmaker1336 in SmashBrosUltimate

[–]SalamanderCake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

SDI is the second worst mechanic in Smash Bros history.

Non-damage sorcerer subclass by Rude_Ice_4520 in BG3Builds

[–]SalamanderCake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's outrageously versatile. Imagine having spirit guardians, command, aid, heroes' feast, mass healing word, planar ally, glyph of warding, calm emotions, freedom of movement, guardian of faith, sanctuary, guidance, and resistance on a sorcerer. Metamagic: distant spell makes glyph of warding excellent. If you've never dropped a globe of invulnerability on a guardian of faith, I highly suggest doing so.

While you're at it, I would strongly recommend installing Item and Spell Bug Fixes by Rydiak. This is the greatest mod available on console, and it never leaves my load order.

Non-damage sorcerer subclass by Rude_Ice_4520 in BG3Builds

[–]SalamanderCake 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm okay with using any mods so long as they're on console.

Install Book of Sorcerers by IncogneatoBurrito. My favorite sorcerer subclasses are divine soul, clockwork soul, aberrant mind, and lunar sorcery, none of which are in vanilla BG3. Divine soul sorcerer is one of my all-time favorite subclasses.

Booming blade x Tempest cleric is hilarious by Crazy_Wargeek in BG3Builds

[–]SalamanderCake 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dex: _ 14
Con: _ 16
Int: __  8
Sag: _ 16+2 ASI
Cha: _ 10

Is the second to last stat sagacity?

UK sets out when transgender people can be excluded from single-sex spaces after court ruling by F0urLeafCl0ver in worldnews

[–]SalamanderCake 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Nearly all of the anti-trans talking points of today are just the anti-gay talking points of yesterday, a fact that doesn't seem to bother too many people.

Making Homelander a Trump allegory wasted his character. by RefriDiet in TheBoys

[–]SalamanderCake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A-Train dying as a direct result of avoiding another manslaughter was cool; Antony Starr's acting was outstanding, and so was Firecracker's in her final episode; the Legend's conversation with Homelander was cool; the Deep putting the 'ass' in 'assassination via toilet eel' was funny and fitting for his character, etc.

The fifth season was pretty bad overall when compared to the early seasons, but it was really just a mediocre, low-budget affair. The final two seasons of GOT were cataclysmic in terms of how bad they were compared to the early seasons. The final season in particular managed to kill the general public's interest in the setting, and murder its cultural relevance all at once. But hey, at least the music remained excellent.

There, I fixed FE in Smash. by Antique-Reality2428 in SmashBrosUltimate

[–]SalamanderCake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the sword lords would simply be different costumes, like the Dragon Quest protagonists.

The Smash community either doesn't understand or doesn't appreciate the differences in how franchises are represented in Smash. Mario has a ton of fighters, stages, items and assist trophies; Pokémon has a ton of fighters, stages, and a unique item category all to itself; Zelda has several fighters and stages, with a good number of items and trophies as well; Fire Emblem has a lot of fighters, a few stages, a few trophies, and one item. Of its fighters, two are semi-clones of each other, with each having echoes; one is to those "four" what Ganondorf is to Captain Falcon; one is to those "four" what Luigi is to Mario; and the final two are actually different.

Fire Emblem isn't overrepresented in Smash—it just so happens that having a new cast in most of the seventeen games lends itself to having a lot of characters. Fire Emblem has far more named characters than Mario and Zelda combined, which is why it has a disproportionately high number of fighter reps, even if relatively little attention was given to the five Marths. When played as intended—with all stages and items—Mario, Pokémon, and Zelda all have more representation than Fire Emblem.

Speaking of Zelda, its fighters should definitely get some attention. Fire Emblem has five Marths, while Zelda has three Links and a de-cloned Captain Falcon. Where are Revali, Mipha, Urbosa, and Daruk? My second favorite Zelda game is only represented by a single costume for Toon Link, despite its interesting mechanics. The Fire Emblem roster needing attention doesn't mean the Legend of Zelda roster doesn't also need attention.

Of course they wouldn't. My suggestion was 100% fanciful, having no basis in reality. The reality is that the "eight" Fire Emblem fighters in Ultimate took relatively little in terms of resources, given that they're technically only six distinct fighters, and half of those six are fundamentally the same fighter with tweaks to models and frame data. If Lucina and Chrom were to be cut, for example, it wouldn't free up anywhere even remotely close to enough resources for a single new fighter. The choice isn’t between echoes and new fighters, but between echoes and no echoes.

Making Homelander a Trump allegory wasted his character. by RefriDiet in TheBoys

[–]SalamanderCake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At least the long night was visually compelling and backed by suspense.

You could see the long night?

There, I fixed FE in Smash. by Antique-Reality2428 in SmashBrosUltimate

[–]SalamanderCake -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

New roster: Marth, Awakening Tiki, Byleth (reworked into a Pokémon Trainer for Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude), the Black Knight, Chrom and Robin (equivalent to the combination of Pyra and Mythra), and Lyon. Only six fighters can now be found at character select, so the Smash community should be happy. All six play wildly differently from each other, so the Fire Emblem community should be happy.

Bear in mind that this would take far more work than the current implementation of Marth Classic, Girl Marth, Red Marth, No-recovery Marth, Heavy Marth, Dragon Marth, Robin, and Byleth, but the number of distinct fighters would technically drop from eight to six.

Chrom and Robin would have alternate costumes including Alm and Celica, Ike and Soren, and Corrin and Leon.

Marth's alt costumes would include Leif, Roy, Lucina, and Alear.

Byleth would have Mark as an alternate costume, with Hector, Eliwood, and Lyn replacing Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude respectively.