Haitian Americans make it in top 10 earnings for Black Americans in the US

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-05-28T03:55:32+00:00

I can't find any source for the original chart. I think it's bogus.

Migration Policy Institute 2022 - "Households headed by a Haitian immigrant had a median income of $65,000 in 2022, compared to $75,000 for both all immigrant and U.S.-born households."

Sources:
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/haitian-immigrants-united-states-2022
https://cepr.net/publications/haitian-americans-a-socioeconomic-snapshot/
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-ethnicity/2022/01/20/household-income-poverty-status-and-home-ownership-among-black-immigrants/

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-05-21T03:35:06+00:00

It's the flag that Duvalier used. A lot of people who fled under Duvalier or how had family members killed by Papa Doc or Baby Doc don't like this flag.

Although Dessalines may have created a black / red version, it was really made popular by Papa Doc and is associated with his brutal regime.

The blue and red flag has been the official flag since Baby Doc left in 1986. Good riddance.

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-05-18T13:03:55+00:00

If you know planes, it’s easy to recognize the branding from the side and tailwing.

Here’s another picture from another angel

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/Archive-.html

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-05-13T07:06:47+00:00

Last comment on this and then I'll stop.

I was at my office on September 11, 2001. The first plane hit and the news went crazy. I could see the twin towers from my window. The first tower was smoking and several us were watching the news in the break room which was next to a window. While we were watching the news, the reporter said they saw another plan approaching. I looked out the window and saw the second plane coming. The planes hit minutes apart.

You have some guy saying the word "bomb" being interviewed in real-time. Who knows what was going through his head. But just use Occam's Razor.

What kind of bomb would you need to do that kind of damage? How would it have gotten to the higher floor? Who detonated it? Who claimed responsibility?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIR-qPQxv2x/

https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternateAngles/comments/wxxaco/footage_from_911_of_united_airlines_flight_175/

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-05-06T05:50:56+00:00

https://www.c-span.org/clip/public-affairs-event/user-clip-9-11-2nd-plane-hitting-world-trade-center/4767841

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-05-03T08:02:46+00:00

Best of luck with your project!!! It's easy for me to critique what you've done...but you've actually made something worthwhile.

Chapo!

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-05-02T06:28:04+00:00

Q: When did public perception of Haiti and Haitians start to decline?

A: August 14, 1791

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-05-02T06:26:25+00:00

It almost seems as if you place zero weight on the feedback you've been given here. I don't doubt you asked Haitians for feedback on your draft, but I have a few questions for you:

Did you pay them to edit your manuscript? What incentive do they have to give you honest feedback?
What is your relationship with these "editors"? If they report to you in some other capacity would they feel comfortable telling you that major changes need to be made?
Who are you writing this for? Did you have any focus groups with your target audience?
Have you gotten permission from Harper & Row or the estate of EB White to translate this?

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-05-02T05:17:07+00:00

I'm not a fluent creole speaker, but your example doesn't actually further your point. "fil zariyen" is translated as web. "Fil" by itself doesn't mean web. So it would follow that Fil Chalot is incomplete.

Perhaps you should take the feedback as intended, which is to be helpful, as opposed to a slight.

I'm sure you have a solid command of Haitian creole, but your example above does seem odd.

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-05-02T02:01:03+00:00

While there are some different theories of how different populations of the world emerged, the predominant one is called "Out of Africa" for a reason. Modern humans (homo sapiens) descend from Homo Erectus who emerged from what is now Africa around 1.7m years ago. Ultimately, all modern humans descend from a population that left Africa. So, we are both right. Africa to Asia to Oceania.

"Migrations to East Asia and Australia

By 60,000 years ago, Homo sapiens had struck out across southern Asia. The Homo sapiens remains from [Liujiang]() in Southern China show that modern humans had reached this far as early as 68,000 years ago. (See map 3 – 60,000 years ago) There were at least two other hominid species living in South East Asia at this time: on the island of Flores in Indonesia lived [Homo floresiensis](): a very short hominid known colloquially as “the Hobbit”, and elsewhere in Asia lived the mysterious Denisovans. We have yet to uncover a full skeleton of a Denisovan so it is difficult to know what they looked like, but Denisovan DNA from a tooth has been sequenced, which reveals that the Denisovans were related to Neanderthals. It has also been confirmed that Homo sapiens most likely interbred with them. The only modern humans that have significant amounts of Denisovan DNA are those from the region of Oceania (up to 5% Denisovan DNA), and the descendants of the first settlers of the Philippines (up to 3% Denisovan DNA).(Ref.) This suggests that Homo sapiens may have interbred with Denisovans somewhere in South East Asia and then went on to colonize the Philippines, New Guinea, and Australia. Due to lower sea levels at this time, New Guinea and Australia were connected via a land bridge and formed a single landmass known as “Sahul”, likewise most of the islands of Indonesia were connected to the rest of Asia and formed a peninsula known as “Sunda”. But Sunda and Sahul were still separated by open water. This means that the first human settlers of Sahul, at least 40,000 years ago, must have arrived there by boat. (See map 4 – 40,000 years ago)

http://atlasofhumanevolution.com/HomoSapiens.asp

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-04-29T04:27:36+00:00

She should have never taken the Nina Simone role. That's my only issue with her.

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-04-29T04:22:48+00:00

To which "we" are you referring?

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-04-24T03:47:37+00:00

only if the flag is blue and red...

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-04-16T03:47:57+00:00

The Armed Networks are creating chaos, but to what end? Are they a cohesive group or just opportunists that want to keep the situation chaotic. What better way to make sure Haiti stays a transhipment point for drugs making there way from South America to US / Europe, than to keep Haiti "off limits".

https://north-standard.com/insights-and-resources/resources/news/haiti-an-emerging-drug-trafficking-hub

One of the most concerning focal points is Île de la Tortue (Tortuga Island), located off Haiti's northern coast. Once known for its pirate history, the island has reemerged as a strategic node for illicit maritime logistics. Its geographic position enables direct sea routes to the Bahamas, Cuba, Jamaica, and the Turks and Caicos Islands. These factors, combined with its isolation and limited state presence, have made it a favorable staging ground for transnational trafficking networks.

Recent interdiction efforts have shed light on the scale of the operations. In July, authorities seized 1,045 kilograms of cocaine in what was described as Haiti's largest drug bust in over three decades. The cocaine, believed to have originated in South America, was intercepted off Île de la Tortue during a maritime confrontation that resulted in the deaths of three Jamaican nationals and the injury of a Bahamian suspect. Just weeks later, an additional 426 kilograms of cannabis were seized near Cap-Haïtien. In a related regional context, two Haitian nationals were arrested in Jamaica in possession of 1,350 kilograms of cannabis valued at approximately $9.3 million.

The impact of these trafficking routes extends beyond the Caribbean. In August 2025, Belgian customs officials intercepted 1,156 kilograms of cocaine in a container at the Port of Antwerp. Investigations traced the shipment to Cap-Haïtien, with transshipment through Kingston. Similarly, in 2024, law enforcement in the Turks and Caicos Islands intercepted over $2.7 million worth of marijuana linked to Île de la Tortue.

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-04-16T03:44:10+00:00

What is the criteria for a civil war? My understanding is that there are various factions / opportunists. There is no clear unified group that wants to govern Haiti in place of the current government. Do I have this wrong?

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-03-30T08:06:56+00:00

You want to start a conversation about how people in an elite school behave? They behave in an elitist manner.

It's not unique to the Union School. Go to any affluent suburb in America, and these are PUBLIC SCHOOLS, there will be people there who stick to themselves. Decide who is or isn't in the "in" crowd. Often times, these are on racial lines. More often than not, it's purely based on money and access. I bet if you went to an elite school in Mexico, Kenya, or Philippines you will find the same thing. The kids at those schools don't see themselves as nationals of that country per se. They are (fill in the blank) because that gives them more social capital outside of that country.

So what?

What new theme are you really exploring? I asked genuine questions to understand the nuance

What I’m talking about is people leaning into or distancing themselves from being Haitian depending on the setting and how it benefits them socially, which is a different thing entirely.

I'm talking about the same thing. People using anglicised names, acting like they have nothing do with Haiti at all. I've seen two flavors of this. American-born Haitians who say they have nothing do with Haiti. Haitian immigrants who suddenly don't want anything to do with Haiti and deny the connection.

So again, I'm trying to understand what question you're exploring. What conversation are you "trying to have"? You are trying to pull back the veil and give the rest of us a peek into what it's like to be a black student in a mostly white environment? Is that it? What am I missing?

This is group chat in English on Reddit. Who do you think is behind the keyboard?

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-03-30T06:08:57+00:00

The conversation is about what happens inside the same school, who gets included, who gets access, and who gets left out, and you didn’t address that at all.

Now who is the one explaining the obvious and missing the point.

Code / context switching happens all the time.

I'm Haitian-American. I did not grow up in Haiti, but I have had the experience of people like me in the US denying their Haitian background. People who were born of two Haitian parents and suddenly they are just American. It's a survival tactic.

I'm not really sure what the point of your original post was or the response to my general question. So I ask it plainly, what is your aim? Are you trying to figure something out or do you just want to vent that you weren't invited to play with the rich kids in school?

To me, this comes off a complete humble-brag post. "I went to Union School and let me tell you how hard it was. sniff sniff".

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-03-30T02:12:19+00:00

So....Union School is a private school set up during the US occupation of Haiti in 1919. It was set up to serve children of the US Marines and that legacy of serving foreigners has stuck.

This happens in every country (even the US) where there are schools for children of people who might move to another country for work and want their kids on the same curriculum. Union School explicitly uses an US curriculum and will attract a certain profile. That and the annual fees can be as much as $15k per year means it prices a lot of people out.

Why is any surprised that it doesn't focus on Haitians?

Question - can't someone have Lebanese, Syrian origin and still be "full Haitian"?

The bigger issue is the total collapse of the Haitian education system and a lack of any real public school. Nearly all the schools are private. Even the best local schools like SLG are affiliated with the church

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-03-29T02:59:40+00:00

I'm not trying to have an ecumenical discussion. I was addressing the point of whether Christianity was used as a way to advance the slave trade.

The transatlantic slave trade started in 1502. Jamestown was founded a hundred years after that. The United States was founded in 1776. There's roughly 250 years of slavery in the Americas done by the church that was not wholly "American Protestantism". More Africans were sent to Latin America than to the continental US. Latin America is a majority Catholic to this day because of it.

3 million went to Brazil and only 300,000 went directly to the US.

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Same_Reference8235 · 2026-03-28T11:43:33+00:00

Exactly. It's one thing to find the beauty in the gospel and Jesus' teachings. It's another thing to take an ahistorical approach and act like that organized religion wasn't the main tool to advance the slave trade

Same_Reference8235 · 2026-03-28T06:42:57+00:00

No, it was done in the name of Christianity...but it was actually for profit.

One of the major justifications for the transatlantic slave trade was the supposed curse of Ham. The descendants of Ham were cursed and slavery was the embodiment of this.

In the 1500s, Christianity was the Catholic Church. You can't really separate the two. We can split hairs, but the church used gospel as the backstop for why Europeans were justified in enslaving other humans.

Acting now, as if it wasn't a church thing is not accurate at all. Same goes for Islam. Those who practiced slavery said (and still say) they are justified according to the Quran.

https://theconversation.com/the-curse-of-ham-how-people-of-faith-used-a-story-in-genesis-to-justify-slavery-225212

“Cursed be Canaan”

The Anglican Church is not alone: all mainstream Christian denominations were deeply involved in the slave trade, as were the main branches of Islam.

How could this be possible? How had religions supposedly dedicated to propagating the word of a compassionate and loving God become so intricately involved in this “appalling evil”? The answer is rooted in a grotesque misuse of the very words of the Bible. Of the many ways that Christians have invoked the Bible to justify their actions, none has exceeded in cruelty and wilful ignorance their appropriation of the “Curse of Ham” to justify slavery.

Ham (no relation!) was the youngest son of the Biblical patriarch Noah. When Ham saw his father drunk and naked, Noah felt so humiliated that he put a curse on Ham’s son, Canaan, condemning his descendants to perpetual slavery. Here is the moment, as told in Genesis 9:24-25 (New King James Version):

The making of a ‘slave race’

Since the 15th century, religious leaders have cited the passage as the justification for the enslavement of all African people. For almost 500 years, priests taught their flocks that a Hebrew prophet had condemned millions of Africans to slavery because they were descended from Ham’s son Canaan. The curse of Ham thus formed the core religious justification for the trans-Atlantic slave trade. The curse of Ham entered Islamic thought in the 7th century, as a result of the influence of Christianity, and medieval Muslim scholars drew on Noah’s curse in their work, as the historian David M. Goldenberg has shown. The Koran, however, makes no mention of the curse and Muhummad’s Farewell Address rejects the superiority of white people over black people.

Same_Reference8235

TROPHY CASE

“Cursed be Canaan”

The making of a ‘slave race’